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Shadow0
Jun 16, 2008


If to live in this style is to be eccentric, it must be confessed that there is something good in eccentricity.

Grimey Drawer

MAKE NO BABBYS posted:

https://news.yahoo.com/researcher-verge-making-very-significant-030320409.html

Chinese scientist on the verge of huge coronavirus breakthrough found shot in his home in Pennsylvania.

Oh thank God, I was worried this virus would interfere with Americans' love of shooting each other.

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BrainDance
May 8, 2007

Disco all night long!

WarpedNaba posted:

Wh-

Wait, I said I had a microwave and use it. I said I have a stove, (It just has two settings) and a fridge.

I am very confused.

oh right yeah it's the bowl you dont have.

just a bunch of tiny little childrens bowls.

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010

WarpedNaba posted:

Wh-

Wait, I said I had a microwave and use it. I said I have a stove, (It just has two settings) and a fridge.

I am very confused.

I've never seen a stove with only 2 settings. Please post a picture of it. I promise I don't have a fetish for uncommon stoves haha I won't get weird over your stove photo haha

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

BrainDance posted:

oh right yeah it's the bowl you dont have.

just a bunch of tiny little childrens bowls.

sh-sh-shut up! Those were hand me downs from my mother! Those are my ROOTS!!!

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ

Grand Fromage posted:

Goons being confused/disbelieving that leaving food out for days on end without refrigeration can cause food poisoning is the twist I didn't expect to find in this thread.

Days? You're dead in an hour, tops.

Vesi posted:

cooked rice has a massive surface area that's why bacteria will breed in it quicker than other foods, with exponential growth it can go from a manageable bacteria level to deadly within an hour and there's no way to detect it by taste or smell because it happens so quickly, I'll eat any other old food but don't gently caress with rice

MetaJew
Apr 14, 2006
Gather round, one and all, and thrill to my turgid tales of underwhelming misadventure!

Grand Fromage posted:

Goons being confused/disbelieving that leaving food out for days on end without refrigeration can cause food poisoning is the twist I didn't expect to find in this thread.

My fiance, who is mainland Chinese but immigrated to the US as a child had a roommate who is Chinese or Taiwanese but was born and grew up in Texas. The roommate somehow never had any non-chinese friends and has some particular mannerisms that would make you think she came to the US and never assimilated.

To the point, she would cook a big batch of soup or stew and leave it out, uncovered on the stove, and over the week reheat it, eat a serving, and continue to leave it out. Allegedly she never got sick, but I have no idea how.

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.
When I want to spin up a bioreactor I don't gently caress around with culture media of any of that weak stuff. I just open-palm slam a bowl into the top. It's last night's rice, and right then and there I start doing the moves necessary to get things started.

Collateral
Feb 17, 2010
A lot of soups and stews taste better after they prove for a while, but that is perhaps a day at most. That lady's soup would be nasty after 2-3 days sat out, fermented and rotten. Perhaps the alcohol balanced out the germs.

strange feelings re Daisy
Aug 2, 2000

There is a traditional method where you can keep stew on the burner for days without any danger but you're supposed to keep it hot the entire time and eat all the solid bits quickly, leaving only some broth behind each day. There are "famous" perpetual stews like this in Japan and Thailand that have been heated for years.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
soup of theseus

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

pikachu looking at?
yeah soup/stew is fine because it's just a flat circle, not an infinite fractal maze like rice

StevoMcQueen
Dec 29, 2007
My BIL in Korea had made a stew with some booze in, but wasn't following the recipe and dumped the whole bottle in. It tasted foul, so he left it on the stove and reheated it for like ~1 hour a day for a week, never trying it, just reheating it, in an effort to burn off the alcohol.

After nearly a week of watching this I just binned it on the basis of it being an unnecessary health hazard amidst the current pandemic.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Alan Smithee posted:

soup of theseus

lol

Kharnifex
Sep 11, 2001

The Banter is better in AusGBS
Salmonella Stew

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
i miss Korean BBQ

If I made that kimchi moat that goes around the grill I would totally let it sit for a week

Ailumao
Nov 4, 2004

Alan Smithee posted:

i miss Korean BBQ

If I made that kimchi moat that goes around the grill I would totally let it sit for a week

i good korean bbq 2 days ago. can confirm it's good.

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Grand Fromage posted:

Goons being confused/disbelieving that leaving food out for days on end without refrigeration can cause food poisoning is the twist I didn't expect to find in this thread.

There is a difference between "let's eat this green thing that used to be bread" and "this milk has been out of the fridge for 10 minutes, better throw it out"

SilvergunSuperman
Aug 7, 2010

StevoMcQueen posted:

My BIL in Korea had made a stew with some booze in, but wasn't following the recipe and dumped the whole bottle in. It tasted foul, so he left it on the stove and reheated it for like ~1 hour a day for a week, never trying it, just reheating it, in an effort to burn off the alcohol.

After nearly a week of watching this I just binned it on the basis of it being an unnecessary health hazard amidst the current pandemic.

:staredog:

Ailumao
Nov 4, 2004

GoutPatrol posted:

There is a difference between "let's eat this green thing that used to be bread" and "this milk has been out of the fridge for 10 minutes, better throw it out"

the thread is saying this tho if you replace "milk" with "cooked rice"

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Magna Kaser posted:

the thread is saying this tho if you replace "milk" with "cooked rice"

just put the rice in the milk and it will be fine, duh

2 negatives into a positive

BrainDance
May 8, 2007

Disco all night long!

Magna Kaser posted:

the thread is saying this tho if you replace "milk" with "cooked rice"

I thought we were putting the rice in the fridge

Then I dunno what WarpedNaba does with his lovely reheated rice after that. In my head he was making some kinda burrito for every day of the week with his bad rice.

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

MetaJew posted:

My fiance, who is mainland Chinese but immigrated to the US as a child had a roommate who is Chinese or Taiwanese but was born and grew up in Texas. The roommate somehow never had any non-chinese friends and has some particular mannerisms that would make you think she came to the US and never assimilated.

To the point, she would cook a big batch of soup or stew and leave it out, uncovered on the stove, and over the week reheat it, eat a serving, and continue to leave it out. Allegedly she never got sick, but I have no idea how.

Collateral posted:

A lot of soups and stews taste better after they prove for a while, but that is perhaps a day at most. That lady's soup would be nasty after 2-3 days sat out, fermented and rotten. Perhaps the alcohol balanced out the germs.

StevoMcQueen posted:

My BIL in Korea had made a stew with some booze in, but wasn't following the recipe and dumped the whole bottle in. It tasted foul, so he left it on the stove and reheated it for like ~1 hour a day for a week, never trying it, just reheating it, in an effort to burn off the alcohol.

After nearly a week of watching this I just binned it on the basis of it being an unnecessary health hazard amidst the current pandemic.
Probably should have thrown it away because it's a culinary disaster.

wtf goons.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
The Humen Pearl River Bridge in China had to shut down due to winds.

https://twitter.com/cockcrow2019/status/1257623296327049216


Seems they never learned about resonance from the Tacoma Narrows bridge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-zczJXSxnw

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
so the real reason its not such a big deal in most asian households is the keep warm setting on rice cookers. it gets to 140, 150f, the bacterial toxins form best from 75f to 95f

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

bob dobbs is dead posted:

so the real reason its not such a big deal in most asian households is the keep warm setting on rice cookers. it gets to 140, 150f, the bacterial toxins form best from 75f to 95f

The real reason is they make rice more often, know how much they'll use, and have plans for leftovers. If they don't have plans, they'll just pitch it, because who wants dried out rice?

If you keep rice for any period of time at that tempt it gets pretty nasty. In the same amount of time, you could pluck the bowl out and serve out of it (which my family does every year at thanksgiving) you'll be just fine. If it's more than 90 minutes or so, I usually consider it a wash. Just put on a smaller amount of rice on later.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


UltraRed posted:

The real reason is they make rice more often, know how much they'll use, and have plans for leftovers. If they don't have plans, they'll just pitch it, because who wants dried out rice?

Not true at all, leaving rice on keep warm for long periods is common if not the default. In China they even sell special rice thermoses so you can keep your rice sitting out warm for days without keeping the rice cooker full. People in China have at least mild food poisoning so regularly it's hard to track to any particular source, though. I must have heard literally thousands of people having aggressive diarrhea in public bathrooms.

Worst two weeks of my life were a major food poisoning near the end of my time there. Lost 15 kilos. I don't recommend it.

LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008
I dunno cutting 15kg sounds p good

Dont Touch ME
Apr 1, 2018

I'm pretty sure if I lost 15kg I'd be dead or dying

LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008
A goon of normal weight? Begone with ye

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

Grand Fromage posted:

Not true at all, leaving rice on keep warm for long periods is common if not the default. In China they even sell special rice thermoses so you can keep your rice sitting out warm for days without keeping the rice cooker full. People in China have at least mild food poisoning so regularly it's hard to track to any particular source, though. I must have heard literally thousands of people having aggressive diarrhea in public bathrooms.


Dunno how they do it in China, never been invited to look, but I knew was the case with the several families I stayed with in Japan.

The... umm... description of the food poisoning rate kinda sounds like maybe that is not the greatest method of preserving rice.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


UltraRed posted:

Dunno how they do it in China, never been invited to look, but I knew was the case with the several families I stayed with in Japan.

The... umm... description of the food poisoning rate kinda sounds like maybe that is not the greatest method of preserving rice.

China has basically no food hygiene at all, the rice is probably not a major factor. Like it's not uncommon to see all the refrigerators unplugged because it saves electricity. Vegetables are prepared on the dirty sidewalk outside. Meat's just sort of left out for however long. Nobody's washing their hands and there's no soap or hot water to wash with anyway.

The small neighborhood places were safer since the food moved quick. If the company took us out to a fancy banquet place, I got food poisoning 100% of the time. Eventually I just took the social hit and refused to go because I was sick of it.

E: One good thing, if you ever want to not go to work? Just call in and say you have diarrhea. It's so common nobody ever questions it.

Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 18:26 on May 7, 2020

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Vesi posted:

yeah soup/stew is fine because it's just a flat circle, not an infinite fractal maze like rice

Two dimensional soup vs the carbs of cthulu.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Grand Fromage posted:

China has basically no food hygiene at all, the rice is probably not a major factor. Like it's not uncommon to see all the refrigerators unplugged because it saves electricity. Vegetables are prepared on the dirty sidewalk outside. Meat's just sort of left out for however long. Nobody's washing their hands and there's no soap or hot water to wash with anyway.

something something chinese covid 19 data

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
Bear in mind that chinese traditional "medicine" rejects the germ theory of disease in favor of a medieval "balance of humors" approach.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

hakimashou posted:

Bear in mind that chinese traditional "medicine" rejects the germ theory of disease in favor of a medieval "balance of humors" approach.

"Nature posted:

China is promoting coronavirus treatments based on unproven traditional medicines
Scientists say rigorous trial data are needed to show that remedies are safe and effective.

The Chinese government is heavily promoting traditional medicines as treatments for COVID-19. The remedies, a major part of China’s health-care system, are even being sent to countries including Iran and Italy as international aid. But scientists outside China say it is dangerous to support therapies that have yet to be proved safe and effective.

There are currently no proven treatments for the deadly respiratory disease caused by the new coronavirus, although many countries are trialling existing and experimental drugs. So far, only one — the antiviral remdesivir — has been shown, in randomized control trials, to have some potential to speed up recovery.

In China, senior government officials and the state media are pushing a range of traditional Chinese medicine (TCM) as being effective at alleviating COVID-19 symptoms and reducing deaths from the disease. However, there are no rigorous trial data to demonstrate that the remedies work.

Although the efficacy of some TCM remedies for COVID-19 is being tested, some researchers say the trials have not been rigorously designed and are unlikely to produce reliable results. Government officials and TCM practitioners deem the remedies safe because some have been used for thousands of years, but significant side effects have been reported.

“We are dealing with a serious infection which requires effective treatments. For TCM, there is no good evidence, and therefore its use is not just unjustified, but dangerous,” says Edzard Ernst, a UK-based retired researcher into complementary medicines.

Other world leaders have promoted unproven treatments for COVID-19. US President Donald Trump has pushed the use of hydroxychloroquine, an antimalarial drug with significant potential side effects, whose effectiveness against COVID-19 is still being studied. And the president of Madagascar, Andry Rajoelina, has also claimed that a herbal drink can cure people of COVID-19.

But those leaders’ claims have been criticized by scientists in their countries. By contrast, in China, criticism of TCM is muted. The industry is worth billions of dollars per year, and receives aggressive government support.

‘Noxious dampness’
TCM is based on theories about qi, said to be a vital energy that helps the body to maintain health. Zhang Boli, president of the Tianjin University of Traditional Chinese Medicine and a member of the national team leading China's response to the coronavirus outbreak, said the severe cases could be attributed to a “noxious dampness,” which can cause qi to stagnate.

By March, TCM remedies constituted some of China's health ministry’s recommended treatments for COVID-19, and included a couple of dozen pills, powders, injectable therapies and recipes to make herbal teas, known as decoctions.

According to Chinese state media, the State Administration of Traditional Chinese Medicine says three formulas and three medicines “have proved” effective treatments for the disease. The newspaper China Daily has reported that “comparative experiments” showed that a group of people with COVID-19 who took Jinhua Qinggan, herbal granules developed to combat H1N1 influenza in 2009, got better faster than those who did not take the capsules, and tested negative for the new virus more than two days sooner. No further details were provided. Another comparative study described in China Daily reported that injections of Xuebijing, a concoction of five herbal extracts which is supposed to “detoxify and remove blood stasis”, reduced the mortality rate of patients with severe illness by 8.8%, when combined with standard medicines.

Huang Luqi, a TCM practitioner and head of the China Academy of Chinese Medical Sciences in Beijing, says that starting in January, he led trials of another three TCM remedies to treat COVID-19, and found that they were safe and effective. On China’s clinical-trials website, the treatments are described simply as traditional Chinese medicine. According to the website, one remedy aims to treat COVID-19 symptoms, another to keep mild cases from becoming severe or critical, and a third to reduce the time taken for a patient to test negative for the virus. Huang did not respond to requests for more details, but says the results will be published soon.

Other scientists say there is no convincing evidence that these remedies are effective against COVID-19. Although the trials had control groups, practitioners and patients don't seem to have been blinded to who was receiving the experimental treatment. Double-blind trials are the gold standard for assessing a treatment’s efficacy. “Unless evidence can be demonstrated, it is unethical to market TCM methods with claims of effects,” says Dan Larhammar, a cell biologist at Uppsala University in Sweden.

Something not necessarily better than nothing
People’s faith in complementary medicines is understandable given that there is no agreement about what works against COVID-19, says Paul Offit, an infectious-disease researcher at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia in Pennsylvania. But suggesting that people try alternative medicines could do harm, he says. “People think doing something is better than doing nothing. History tells us that’s not true.”

Several of the ‘decoctions’ promoted by the health ministry’s official COVID-19 treatment guidelines include a herb called ephedra, which contains the stimulant pseudoephedrine. Extracts of the herb containing this substance have been banned in the United States and several European countries after a string of deaths in the 1990s and 2000s among those who used it for dieting or energy enhancement.

Ernst says that without clear evidence that these treatments work and are safe, China shouldn’t be sending them to other countries.

“All parts of a package must be proven to work,” he says. Although TCM is a very important export item for China, promoting it during the pandemic “seems reckless and dangerous”, he says. China has also sent masks and other protective equipment and ventilators to many countries, including the United States, and contributed US$50 million to the World Health Organization (WHO) for its COVID-19 response.)

The WHO initially discouraged the use of traditional remedies to treat COVID-19. For the first months of the outbreak, they were listed on the agency’s website as “not effective against COVID-2019 and can be harmful”.

The guidance has since been updated and the warning removed. A WHO spokesperson, Tarik Jašarević, says the original statement “was too broad and did not take into account the fact that many people turn to traditional medicines to alleviate some of the milder symptoms of COVID-19”. Jašarević says the guidance stresses that there is no evidence that any current medicine — traditional or otherwise — can prevent or cure the disease, and that the WHO does not recommend self-medication with any substance as a prevention or cure for COVID-19.

Criticism of China’s own support for TCM treatments for COVID-19 is unlikely to gain a foothold inside the country. In late April, a doctor at a hospital in Hubei province was censured and demoted from his administrative positions after posting online that China’s recommendations on COVID-19 treatments, particularly TCM remedies, were not science-based. The doctor told Nature that he could not be interviewed on the topic.

Mods please change my name to Noxious Dampness.

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth
I am not a doctor so I cannot comment.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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surprised Nature had the balls to publish that

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!
the unnamed country can only perspirate

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

McGavin posted:

Mods please change my name to Noxious Dampness.

I always thought Diagnostic Tongue Fuzz would be a good username, that was one of the more baffling bits of TCM to me.

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Squalid
Nov 4, 2008

are there any western customs that look absolutely ridiculous to people in China, and really are? Like what is the American version of fan-death, maybe something like vics vapo rubs? I've always wondered how that's supposed to work

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