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Jarmak posted:Do you really not understand the difference between a fact and an opinion and that presenting one as the other is a lie? can anyone make heads or trails of this? particularly sentence 2 which appears to be 3 dollar words strung together nonsensically
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He's not supporting a coup he's just supporting the guy funding a coup, can't you idiots appreciate nuance
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May 7, 2020 14:57
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Raskolnikov38 posted:can anyone make heads or trails of this? particularly sentence 2 which appears to be 3 dollar words strung together nonsensically That guy Jarnak disappeared yesterday when I pointed out that his claim that the far-right had completely lost all their power was easily disproven by how powerful the republicans had become since Obama became president. Wouldn’t surprise me if he just disappears again until tomorrow or something.
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Mellow Seas posted:Again, you can just say "Biden supports Venezuelan opposition leader who attempted Coup" instead of "Biden and Trump are SINGING IN UNISON that the only solution to Maduro's regime is BLOOD, BLOOD, BLOOD!" The latter is just saying the former with a ton of editorializing. What’s the issue with that though? This is debate and discussion, not a feed of completely unquestionable facts. If you think they’re wrong that Biden and trump share the same goals, have a discussion about it
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May 7, 2020 14:59
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Biden never voted to invade Iraq, he voted to support the president of America
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May 7, 2020 15:01
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Jarmak posted:That's insane, the group responsible for the bay of pigs was the united states Here's a more accurate comparison: Imagine if, during the Vietnam War, someone put out a statement that said, "The actions of the Vietcong are troubling, we must stand with the United States." That would, 100%, be a statement in support of the Vietnam War.
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Mellow Seas posted:Again, you can just say "Biden supports Venezuelan opposition leader who attempted Coup" instead of "Biden and Trump are SINGING IN UNISON that the only solution to Maduro's regime is BLOOD, BLOOD, BLOOD!" The latter is just saying the former with a ton of editorializing. By the same token, the former just restates the later with even more editorializing.
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May 7, 2020 15:03
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Mellow Seas posted:Again, you can just say "Biden supports Venezuelan opposition leader who attempted Coup" instead of "Biden and Trump are SINGING IN UNISON that the only solution to Maduro's regime is BLOOD, BLOOD, BLOOD!" The latter is just saying the former with a ton of editorializing. the latter is also the more accurate headline
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Has Biden or any of his surrogates commented on the recent coup attempt or is he just pretending not to have noticed? I saw his comments from last year about the "Restoring Democracy" stuff, which is lib speak for a full-scale invasion once they can generate an appropriate casus belli, but I haven't seen any statements about what happened a few days ago. Seems like it should be a bigger deal but naturally the national media has decided that it's a ho-hum tale, nothing to see here while they talk endlessly about COVID.
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Or it's like claiming that when Trump said there were fine people on both sides of Charlottesville, that he was supporting neo-Nazis He only said fine people were there, you don't know what he meant by that!
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May 7, 2020 15:05
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Seems like it should be a bigger deal but naturally the national media has decided that it's a ho-hum tale, nothing to see here while they talk endlessly about COVID. Yeah, why are they talking about a global loving pandemic that's killed thousands, it makes no sense!
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May 7, 2020 15:08
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yronic heroism posted:A white guy getting told by a phone call from another white guy to vote Bernie yronic heroism posted:For example, I know exactly zero Bernie supporters in real life or even Facebook
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Has Biden or any of his surrogates commented on the recent coup attempt or is he just pretending not to have noticed? I saw his comments from last year about the "Restoring Democracy" stuff, which is lib speak for a full-scale invasion once they can generate an appropriate casus belli, but I haven't seen any statements about what happened a few days ago. The price of oil has plummeted to the point where the invasion is no longer profitable.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:The price of oil has plummeted to the point where the invasion is no longer profitable. couping venezuela was always about how chavez and maduro flipped the bird to american imperialism otherwise we would have invaded decades ago when caldera nationalized the oil in the 70s
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May 7, 2020 15:11
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Jarmak posted:Love how we've gone fully down the CHUD route of sensationalist headlines based on a disingenuous read of an out of context quote gets quoted on twitter as "news agencies are saying this" So what is the direct quote and what did it really mean? https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1123368849347371008
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May 7, 2020 15:12
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Mellow Seas posted:Again, you can just say "Biden supports Venezuelan opposition leader who attempted Coup" instead of "Biden and Trump are SINGING IN UNISON that the only solution to Maduro's regime is BLOOD, BLOOD, BLOOD!" The latter is just saying the former with a ton of editorializing. Let me guess, you’re going to try this same line out next time someone brings up the Iraq War too. “When Biden was helping W lead the nation to war, it’s you’re a lying liar to say Biden supported W’s war in Iraq, he wanted a different war with way better results”
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May 7, 2020 15:16
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Also lol at this av, if you’re mad about me posting critiques of Biden, you’re going to be in for a rough time. Let me guess, you’ve spent more on Avs than you’ve donated to Biden, right?
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May 7, 2020 15:17
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All of these avatars are just confirming that Biden supporters are stupid assholes with too much money.
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May 7, 2020 15:19
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Homeless Friend posted:So what is the direct quote and what did it really mean?  is he...just casually eating an ice cream cone while calling for the blood of more innocent people that happened to be born in a region with a lot of petroleum? What party is this guy running in?
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May 7, 2020 15:20
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COVID-19 posted:
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Raskolnikov38 posted:couping venezuela was always about how chavez and maduro flipped the bird to american imperialism otherwise we would have invaded decades ago when caldera nationalized the oil in the 70s I wouldn't be surprised if we actually tried, failed, and never got caught. I have to say, this is definitely one of the better things about having Trump as president. Can you imagine an actually competent commander in chief trying this poo poo? Like, the whole operation reeks of idiocy. These are some cheap, washed up middle-aged mercenaries NOT named Snake Pliskin. They got caught in seemingly broad loving day light. Did the military flat out refuse to do this with their own people out of spite? Did Trump suggest outsourcing this nonsense to the lowest bidder? If Biden were in charge of this poo poo, it might actually get accomplished, there might actually be a massive power vacuum to be filled by the fascist of the week.
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May 7, 2020 15:21
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Joe Biden has been a terrible arm of imperialist horseshit his entire life. He’s also a rapist, a liar, and a documented plagiarist. This is the best we can do apparently, in order for the country to heal. 
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Lol so the dems are basically promising war against Venezuela and China at this point Probably Iran as well since most of the politicians the dems recruit nowadays are spooks and jarheads and overthrowing Iran has been the end goal of American foreign policy since the fall of the Soviets Cpt_Obvious posted:I wouldn't be surprised if we actually tried, failed, and never got caught. Yeah its this, at least Trump is too incompetent and lazy to actually start a war and the couple times he got close (North Korea and Iran) he was successfully talked down (by Kim Jong Un himself, lol, and by his own cabinet and military which thankfully successfully downplayed the retaliatory Iranian missile attack) Feldegast42 fucked around with this message at 15:26 on May 7, 2020 |
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COVID-19 posted:
sir sir sir! he never called for anyone's blood at all! he just meant he'd like to cordially invite Maduro to sit down with him and Corn Pop and hash out this whole ball of yarn like civilized men, no more malarkey
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Feldegast42 posted:Lol so the dems are basically promising war against Venezuela and China at this point
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Willo567 posted:Yeah, why are they talking about a global loving pandemic that's killed thousands, it makes no sense! There are 24 hours in a day, they don't need to reserve all 24 for COVID. The media and the campaign ignoring a coup attempt in a South American nation that seems to have had at least tacit approval from the US government seems like a problem, and Biden's silence on it makes it seem like a problem he intends to continue. Cpt_Obvious posted:The price of oil has plummeted to the point where the invasion is no longer profitable. Well it might not be profitable for Exxon but it would be profitable for Lockheed, so I guess it's a question of who is closer to Biden these days.
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Trabisnikof posted:Let me guess, you’re going to try this same line out next time someone brings up the Iraq War too. “When Biden was helping W lead the nation to war, it’s you’re a lying liar to say Biden supported W’s war in Iraq, he wanted a different war with way better results” Biden supported W's war in Iraq. Now, if somebody said "Biden Gives Bush Handjob While Cheering On Deaths of Savage Brown People and Stealing Oil" I might say they should try expressing that in a couple of paragraphs instead of one psuedo-factual statement.
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Mellow Seas posted:Biden supported W's war in Iraq. the only part of that sentence that isn't provably true is the handjob part, and Biden has issues with consent so it can't be ruled out either
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May 7, 2020 15:31
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Mellow Seas posted:Biden supported W's war in Iraq. I wouldn’t say “Biden gave a handjob to Bush” in reality it would be “Biden forced himself on poor W and also supports the genocide of the people of Iraq”
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Mellow Seas posted:Biden supported W's war in Iraq. if we expand handjob to being metaphorical it’s still true albeit not literally
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Mellow Seas posted:Biden supported W's war in Iraq. Why go all  when you can accurately and succinctly boil everything down to a simple sentence?Besides Biden's been all about giving Repubs a reacharound so that sentence looks like 100% facts to me.
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COVID-19 posted:I wouldn’t say “Biden gave a handjob to Bush” in reality it would be “Biden forced himself on poor W and also supports the genocide of the people of Iraq” See, "Biden supported invasion of Iraq" is a fact. "Biden supported disastrous invasion of Iraq that killed hundreds of thousands", pretty much a fact, although "disastrous" is more of a universally-shared opinion. "Biden wanted a genocide of the Iraqi people" is an analysis, one you probably have good reasons for putting forth, but it's not a fact, because Joe Biden never said he wanted genocide in Iraq, and I sincerely doubt he's ever expressed a desire for any genocide, ever. Also, no genocides have been carried out in Iraq, despite the factual mass death. This doesn't mean that Joe Biden doesn't support genocide, per se, but if you respond to the argument "Trump will start a war with Iran" with "Joe Biden loves genocide" I don't think it's terribly unfair to ask you to show your work a little bit. In C-SPAM, where shitposting is mandatory and everybody agrees on everything, go nuts.
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Halloween Jack posted:All of these avatars are just confirming that Biden supporters are stupid assholes with too much money.
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May 7, 2020 15:38
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COVID-19 posted:
The Democrats have been an explicitly pro war party for the entirety of my living memory. They handed out instructions during the 2016 convention where they told people to drown out protestors chanting "No More War" with chants of "USA! USA!"
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May 7, 2020 15:39
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It's pretty funny to see a centrist buying avatars considering half the liberals in D&D have a derogatory custom title, and half of those are that idiotic "Corn Cobb Man" thing.
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Mellow Seas posted:See, "Biden supported invasion of Iraq" is a fact. "Biden supported disastrous invasion of Iraq that killed hundreds of thousands", pretty much a fact, although "disastrous" is more of a universally-shared opinion. "Biden wanted a genocide of the Iraqi people" is an analysis, one you probably have good reasons for putting forth, but it's not a fact, because Joe Biden never said he wanted genocide in Iraq, and I sincerely doubt he's ever expressed a desire for any genocide, ever. Also, no genocides have been carried out in Iraq, despite the factual mass death. The war in Iraq was a genocide. Biden supported the war in Iraq. Therefore, Biden supports the genocide of the people of Iraq. Just because he didn’t say the words “I desire a genocide in Iraq” doesn’t mean he’s innocent.
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Mellow Seas posted:This doesn't mean that Joe Biden doesn't support genocide, per se, but if you respond to the argument "Trump will start a war with Iran" with "Joe Biden loves genocide" I don't think it's terribly unfair to ask you to show your work a little bit.
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The US had a massive military presence in Iraq for over a decade and only killed like 3% of the people there, I think if their goal was "genocide" they did a poo poo job of it. "Genocide" means something and it doesn't mean "shittily-executed war against people of a different ethnicity".
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Mellow Seas posted:See, "Biden supported invasion of Iraq" is a fact. "Biden supported disastrous invasion of Iraq that killed hundreds of thousands", pretty much a fact, although "disastrous" is more of a universally-shared opinion. "Biden wanted a genocide of the Iraqi people" is an analysis, one you probably have good reasons for putting forth, but it's not a fact, because Joe Biden never said he wanted genocide in Iraq, and I sincerely doubt he's ever expressed a desire for any genocide, ever. Also, no genocides have been carried out in Iraq, despite the factual mass death. "Disastrous" is definitely a fact, if you compare the results of the invasion to its stated objectives
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