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OwlFancier posted:I would guess that might put the nail in the FF/FG coalition if they tried that. It didn't fix the economy or unemployment the last time FG tried it and ruined the better part of a decade, either. Betting against FG in particular, with their current Thatcherite bent, using a recession as an excuse to shrink the "wasteful" big government and move closer to an American model is a bad bet.
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Apr 20, 2020 23:00
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V. Illych L. posted:SF seem to have good populist instincts, one imagines that they'd likely be able to capitalise on FF/FG doing austerity SF have gotten over 15% of the vote exactly once in the last 100 years of Irish elections.Theres no guarantee they'll capitalize on anything. But even if they do manage to, if they're polling at all well in opposition then there won't be any election in Ireland until the the latest possible date. Which is a short half decade away on 20 February 2025.
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Apr 21, 2020 00:27
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FF/FG coalition plus rotating partners government isn't going to last four years. No its all up in the air at the moment. We can't go back to hardline austerity after this. New social contract pls.
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Apr 21, 2020 00:43
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Yeah I do not expect the FF/FG coalition to last any longer than it has to, especially when their combined numbers can't make a majority. Either one of the big two will jump ship when they can throw the other under the bus or the Greens will end up growing a backbone and leaving once the current crisis is over. It is the exact same scenario as the last government. FF and FG will work together because neither wants to be blamed for not being adults during a crisis. Last term it was Brexit, now it's Corona. Everything changes, nothing changes.
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Blut posted:SF have gotten over 15% of the vote exactly once in the last 100 years of Irish elections.Theres no guarantee they'll capitalize on anything. the government is incredibly fragile and has two senior partners who probably cannot both survive. if they start reheating policy that was unpopular to begin with they're going to suffer, and once that starts they're going to start rocking the boat
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For those wondering about the Gemma O'Doherty/John Waters case in the High Court it was adjourned for two weeks. They had a rent a crowd of about 100 hangers on in the Four Courts lobby, in breach of all social distancing guidelines. They have a video post case which is on You Tube, but I'm not going to post it here.
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Apr 21, 2020 18:16
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Does she have a YouTube again?
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Apr 21, 2020 19:30
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Economy to contract 10%, 22% unemployment after the restrictions are lifted. (Worth mentioning this is probably a heavily massaged figure - it has been since '08 atleast.) Eoghan Murphy on the news saying airbnb stock can't go back to the short term let market. Dublin City Council trying to get 25 year leases on apartments for homeless people. FG atleast gearing up to pass the most popular of SF policies.
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Apr 21, 2020 19:58
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Are long term leases a better alternative to social housing? I saw on twitter a FF TD dunking on Eoin OBroin because he was calling out proposed 100 year leases as a waste of money. The FF guy pulled out NPV to explain why paying private landlords for a century adjusted to market rates is much better than building social homes.
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Apr 21, 2020 22:26
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Marenghi posted:Are long term leases a better alternative to social housing? Not for the taxpayer. If leasing were a better long-term investment than building on land you already own, landlords wouldn't exist. Not for the recipient of social housing, since leases are necessarily less secure than publicly owned housing. What long-term leases are good for is putting management layers between government ministers and anyone who wants to hold them accountable, steering money toward friends and family of those same ministers, and making absolutely sure that poor people keep renting forever
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Apr 21, 2020 22:48
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Marenghi posted:Are long term leases a better alternative to social housing?
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Arquinsiel posted:FF TD is full of poo poo. I too have run the numbers and turns out this is true ????
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There's a really interesting thread here about Irelands reportednfeath rate for Covid 19 and how it compares to other countries. https://twitter.com/Care2much18/status/1252819591090155523?s=19
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I meant to post but last week, Leo was asked about Unemployment payments and said that they had to introduce them in a hurry to make sure no one missed out on being paid. Obviously this was the right thing to do as making sure all citizens are looked after is the greater good. However there was a part of the article where he talked about how lots of people are earning a lot less than they were before lockdown. Which is true. But according to him some people were earning more than before lockdown. And apparently this idea that some people might be slightly better off was an outrage that can't be allowed stand. It doesn't take much for Leo's mask to slip. In other news I saw this video on my YouTube feed. Even ITV (or UTV as I suspect it is) is picking up on stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWSnVRi-zB0
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Apr 28, 2020 19:01
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Hardly surprising from the man who's spent years running ads on buses and elsewhere about how good he is at poor-crushing
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Apr 28, 2020 19:16
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That was extremely telling. A person with empathy would say to themselves "hold on - if our current assessment says that 350euro a week is the minimum needed to live off of, then why is the dole 200e a week? And how do some people earn less than 350e a week despite working normally? Lets increase both the minimum wage and the dole". Whereas Leo arrived at "these evil welfare queens are taking advantage of our system!!".
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Nice to know the eternal tory refrain of "someone, somewhere, other than me, might be getting something they didn't suffer enough for" holds true across borders.
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Just to show I wasnt making this up, here is the story about Leo not being able to stand people getting more money that they didn't "deserve." https://www.thejournal.ie/wage-subsidyleo-varadkar-5083689-Apr2020/ And on related news here are Labour (Lol) saying that €350 should be the standard rate going forward. It could end up being a good starting point for a better Unemployment rate going forward. https://www.independent.ie/irish-ne...s-39164611.html
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The Question IRL posted:Just to show I wasnt making this up, here is the story about Leo not being able to stand people getting more money that they didn't "deserve." Would be great if Labour actually accomplished anything for the first time since the Dick Spring, even if it takes global catastrophe for it to happen
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The Question IRL posted:I meant to post but last week, Leo was asked about Unemployment payments and said that they had to introduce them in a hurry to make sure no one missed out on being paid. As a sole trader, I suffered massive business losses with left only one or two customers at best. I applied for the payment but was told to jog on as I had "income" and to go a break of i was worried about my mortgage ( which btw has a massive amount of strings attached by the banks if you read the fine print). Please spread the following statement to all your friends :gently caress leo and gently caress FG, because they have no qualms about loving you. He and they have hurt our country, we voted them out. Please let them stay out. Foul Ole Ron fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Apr 28, 2020 |
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Failed Imagineer posted:Would be great if Labour actually accomplished anything for the first time since the Dick Spring, even if it takes global catastrophe for it to happen My weirdest political opinion is that I don't think Alan Kelly is as bad as he's made out to be. In the second to last election I actually had him as my number 1, not because I like him, but because in the wonderful constituency that is Tipperary my other choices were Michael Lowry and Mattie McGrath (who were of course number 1 and 2 at the polls). I have a mild hope that Labour might improve under him because at least his weird enthusiastic confidence is better than Howlins resigned acceptance of the continuing slide of labour into the mildly progressive right wing.
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My problem with AK47 is that he appears to have no political philosophy whatsoever. He appears to be a standard issue neo-liberal, his education is in eCommerce and I've never heard him speak a word I've agreed with or felt was relevant in some way.
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May 4, 2020 02:43
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AK47's overriding political philosophy is his own lust for power. Its quite simple, hes been oddly open about it.
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May 4, 2020 13:31
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Weird that he went Labour so.
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May 4, 2020 18:26
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Too much competition in the Top Bastard leagues in FF/FG.
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I've been learning a bunch of stuff today that I didn't know yesterday. Like how Ireland has been developing a Covid 19 tracking app. I knew the Brits were doing that, but not us. Also I learned that while McDonalds is still closed, Burger King's are still open. (Or at least some are )
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Dont tell me that. Jesus I'd kill for a bacon double cheeseburger
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Does anyone with more knowledge about the Green Party know why Ryan hasn't been given the heave yet? He can't seem to stop putting his foot in his mouth with regards to rural Ireland and he seems dedicated on destroying the party after their near miraculous result in the last GE.
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May 8, 2020 00:01
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The Greens are a single issue party with wildly diverging economic and social politics that aren't part of that, so it seems like the problem is finding anyone that everyone hates less.
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Arquinsiel posted:The Greens are a single issue party with wildly diverging economic and social politics that aren't part of that, so it seems like the problem is finding anyone that everyone hates less. How could that be hard given the prick currently in charge. The biggest problem with the Greens has always been their leadership. They are almost all neo-liberal fucks from Dublin.
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Green parties are most popular among educated urbanites, basically the people who have tended to go to Liberal parties. for the most part, their focus on consumer behaviour and individual moral action leads them to be deeply skeptical of people who drive cars and who are interested in road conditions and petrol prices. this creates a big disconnect between Green politicians and their often leftishly inclined members, but most people who vote Green in europe are actually very centrist economically
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Also eco-fascists exist.
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Arquinsiel posted:Also eco-fascists exist. i would be careful about blaming them for the deficiencies of Green parties, most Greens are very committed to social liberalism wrt minority issues and crime
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I’m fairly sure one of the local green councillors here in Cork was a goon as her meme game is pretty strong and has made past references that have to be goony.
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Skull Servant posted:Does anyone with more knowledge about the Green Party know why Ryan hasn't been given the heave yet? He can't seem to stop putting his foot in his mouth with regards to rural Ireland and he seems dedicated on destroying the party after their near miraculous result in the last GE. The Greens have a pretty big split going down the middle of the party right now. The older (in time scale) voter base (and most TDs) are basically people who would have been traditional urban middle class FG voters, but who have a Green tinge and a generally slightly more left-wing disposition. Eamon Ryan is from this wing of the party. This is the wing that wants to go into government, because they're a bit more pragmatic and willing to compromise - and don't want to wait 5 years for Ireland to start making environmental changes that need to be made ASAP. Then they have the newer wing of people like Saoirse Mchugh, who're closer to traditional PBP voters with a Green tinge than anything else. They're completely against going into government with FF/FG because they see it as selling out. They're the radical/youth/hippie/naive/idealistic wing, depending on your own bias. Ryan isn't being heaved because the traditional wing of the party is still larger, and though some dislike him they worry that if they got rid of him he'd possibly be replaced by someone from the radical wing of the party. And then they'd lose all their urban middle class voter base, which would be most of the parties TDs wiped out. So basically...better the devil you know, as far as they're concerned.
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V. Illych L. posted:i would be careful about blaming them for the deficiencies of Green parties, most Greens are very committed to social liberalism wrt minority issues and crime
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The Waters/5G O'D case has been chucked out of court. I have read the judgement. Murphy J. Thows some nice legal shade during the course of it.
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The Question IRL posted:The Waters/5G O'D case has been chucked out of court. Care to summarise for the non-legal plebs in the peanut gallery?
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