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Elias_Maluco posted:I was under the impression everyone knew about the robohobo strategizing for the whole world? I mean, the creator was considered having saved humanity with it, wanst it? People just didint knew what was on their profiles I was definitely under the impression that people didn't know. Didn't people not even know Serac existed until he was buying out Delos? edit: This is my 17,000th post on these silly forums. I've wasted my life. thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 22:10 on May 6, 2020 |
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thrawn527 posted:I was definitely under the impression that people didn't know. Didn't people not even know Serac existed until he was buying out Delos? Yeah, they say that. But also Willian knew about him cause he sold him the data? He talks about that in one of the last episodes I dont know
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Elias_Maluco posted:Yeah, they say that. Sure, William knew about him. So did Hale. But the vast majority of people had no idea who he was. And, I believe, they had no idea about the Robohobobobo AI system either.
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I don't know if it's meant to be the case that people know about the super-AI but they definitely know what Incite Inc is involved in: https://twitter.com/WestworldHBO/status/1192968247114633222?s=20 Plus Dempsey Jr. is a giant playboy failson billionaire so the public has to be generally aware that that company is super-loaded and they do poo poo with data, at the very least.
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I’ve started watching the first season again and gently caress me the difference in quality is staggering. The first season is one of my favourite shows ever, but I’d never recommend it to anyone because then they’d feel like they ought to watch the next two and it’s better they don’t. Just to add onto this, the first episode alone is a million miles away from the generic sci-fi of S3, it’s like a different show. It’s compelling, the concepts are interesting, I’d swear even the acting from Maeve and Dolores is better (probably just better written). Whoever they wrangled in to fix the scripts for S1, they need to get them back. quidditch it and quit it fucked around with this message at 23:43 on May 6, 2020 |
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May 6, 2020 23:02
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Also this show didn't know what it had in Jimmi Simpson and is worse without him
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Also this show didn't know what it had in Jimmi Simpson and is worse without him Oh god yeah, he was great. Total missed opportunity, not making a companion robot out of him for Dolores to face off against Ed Harris.
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quidditch it and quit it posted:Oh god yeah, he was great. Total missed opportunity, not making a companion robot out of him for Dolores to face off against Ed Harris. Especially with Ed Harris half-assing it, Jeffrey Wright off in no man's land doing whatever he was with Bonus Hemsworth and Thandie Newton being reduced to stunt double most of the time Simpson would've brought it
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quidditch it and quit it posted:I’ve started watching the first season again and gently caress me the difference in quality is staggering. The first season is Jurassic Park. The others are the sequels. It's not like they don't have good parts, but the first one is the best!
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If people didn't know what Insight was or how it controlled everything about them, then why did they just up and burn the world down* when they found out what it thought of them? Like if a techbro company accidentally sent out its life profile of you, to you, would you start killing people because it said you were an idiot deviant and should be denied any job with long poles? Of course you wouldn't you would be pissed off and contact a lawyer to start litigation. However, if your own Government did the same it would be a different matter. The gravity you would give to these profiles would be directly proportional to how powerful you considered who had made and used the profile. It is one of many things about the world of WW, that makes no sense at all. Like how is destroying the one tool, the ASI, that could be used to usher in a utopia for all mankind and hostkind, a good way to usher in a utopia for all mankind and hostkind? Surely subverting it and repurposing it would have been better than litterally burning the world down and accepting gigadeath. Just come up with an infertility drug than would reduce human population to 2% of its current amount and use it. Nah, gigadeath it is. *I don't think world society has broken down, we are just seeing those most negatively affected by being controlled. They did this extremely ham fistedly because they showed everybody having a breakdown, in the background, around the main characters. Those people who are doing well, or even ok, would be super happy to keep the status quo as it is. The show runners communicated this Collateral fucked around with this message at 00:36 on May 7, 2020 |
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^^ probably these Hollywood ultra libertarian types think nation states have nothing against the mega corp IT companies. Also I like how wiping out the super mega computer brain will set off (gas?) explosions in high rise buildings, its very... Die Hard 4.0
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hello, my name is bernard. I enjoy remembering myself and pimp slapping a fool.
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Collateral posted:The show runners communicated this Seems to be a running theme.  I do wonder if next season will have the rich who are trying to maintain what's left of the status quo vs everyone else vs Charlotte-Dolores trying to kill everyone? or whatever.
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Elias_Maluco posted:I was under the impression everyone knew about the robohobo strategizing for the whole world? I mean, the creator was considered having saved humanity with it, wanst it? People just didint knew what was on their profiles Good Soldier Svejk posted:I mean I know this is not explicitly her goal but we're made to think it is. Bernard says it explicitly and Maeve especially has to think that or the entire scene in the wheat field is pointless. Collateral posted:If people didn't know what Insight was or how it controlled everything about them, then why did they just up and burn the world down* when they found out what it thought of them? - If the profile you're given has a lot of explanatory power for your life, such as having put a hard limit on your career advancement or your chance at romantic relationships, then you'd get the double whammy of realizing you've been hosed AND realizing you've been hosed by essentially a shadow world government. The profile including what should be deeply private stuff, and other people having similar experiences, would further cement the fact that this is 100% the Illuminate loving up your life. - You don't sue the Illuminate. Collateral posted:*I don't think world society has broken down, we are just seeing those most negatively affected by being controlled. They did this extremely ham fistedly because they showed everybody having a breakdown, in the background, around the main characters. Those people who are doing well, or even ok, would be super happy to keep the status quo as it is. The show runners communicated this
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illuminati more like illuminatea
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Sure, they obfuscate it a bit, but Bernard saying it based on literally nothing should be all you need to convince yourself it's not true. His whole thing is being the smartest person without a clue. Good Soldier Svejk is right. The one consistent thing about Bernard this season is that he's always explaining what Dolores is doing even though he shouldn't know. He's basically talking to The writers are bad.
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esperterra posted:illuminati more like illuminatea all deus no machina
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:all deus no machina  i love you
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Good Soldier Svejk is right. The one consistent thing about Bernard this season is that he's always explaining what Dolores is doing even though he shouldn't know. He's basically talking to
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The fact that he says poo poo with confidence doesn't actually mean he knows what he's talking about. There's no "too", the only accurate explaination comes at the end when Bernard realizes he got it all wrong. Bernard's lack of grasp of reality has been a consistent trait throughout the seasons, why should we suddenly assume he's got things figured out now? He even starts this season sure that his code has been compromised, reminding the viewer that he might, again, not be a reliable source. I guess there are 2 ways to look at it: that Bernard and everything he said about Dolores was also correct, then the writers suddenly decided she had an epiphany offscreen sometime during the season and saw the beauty and decided that humans are worth saving. Or that Bernard was completely worthless this season and even his little asides to the audience are incorrect. Dolores(offscreen, between seasons) decided that humans are actually kickin rad and need to be saved. But the show didn't bother to really make her seem sympathetic to humans with her actions or even frame it in such a way. Would have been nice to see how she reached this conclusion instead of having a pointless WarWorld episode with Maeve, but  And I guess Dolores also neglected to fill in Charlotte-Dolores on her change of heart so Charlotte-Dolores stayed the course on robots rule humans drool after her fake family died.Not really sure which is better. Terrible retcon or dumb and needlessly confusing gotcha.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:I guess there are 2 ways to look at it: that Bernard and everything he said about Dolores was also correct, then the writers suddenly decided she had an epiphany offscreen sometime during the season and saw the beauty and decided that humans are worth saving. CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Or that Bernard was completely worthless this season CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Dolores(offscreen, between seasons) decided that humans are actually kickin rad and need to be saved. But the show didn't bother to really make her seem sympathetic to humans with her actions or even frame it in such a way. Would have been nice to see how she reached this conclusion instead of having a pointless WarWorld episode with Maeve, but
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It's a pity we didn't see Dolores's reaction to the outside world in real time, must have been quite a moment for her to bust out going "ah hah, time to take revenge on all these assholes" then realising that most of the humans are stuck in lovely loops and have more in common with hosts than the rich fucks on the island.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:It's a pity we didn't see Dolores's reaction to the outside world in real time, must have been quite a moment for her to bust out going "ah hah, time to take revenge on all these assholes" then realising that most of the humans are stuck in lovely loops and have more in common with hosts than the rich fucks on the island. They could have made a whole reason on just escaping the westworld "island" with zero mystery box and it would have made better TV than S2. There are enough lore in the overworld if the showrunnners actually care about maintaining the lore.
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So, what was even the point of bringing Luke Hemsworth back this season? I mean, I like the actor, but what did Stubbs do apart from being there to ask Bernard a couple questions so he could exposition at him? They left him half dead and turning "necrotic" in a loving bathtub, for Chrissakes. I haven't seen someone tossed aside so unceremoniously by a show since the Irish girlfriend Peter Petrelli left the doomsday future in Heroes.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:It's a pity we didn't see Dolores's reaction to the outside world in real time, must have been quite a moment for her to bust out going "ah hah, time to take revenge on all these assholes" then realising that most of the humans are stuck in lovely loops and have more in common with hosts than the rich fucks on the island. We just never get to see Dolores' development and it sucks. I would have loved to see her changing her mind about humans but no, it had to be a twist.
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professor metis posted:We just never get to see Dolores' development and it sucks. I would have loved to see her changing her mind about humans but no, it had to be a twist. It's like the conversation with Caleb in the plane- they seemed more interested in having Dolores go terminator on people or fighting Maeve than really telling an emotional story. I am completely uninterested in watching hosts fight. I think i've seen just about every kind of host fight there is in the first two seasons.
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If you think about everything post-S1 as a big budget fanfic it works better. It's just taking the characters and trying to stick them in ponderous new hijinks, but it misses the entire point and theme of the whole original project. That first season really was something else, the mix of jurassic park-style "amusement gone haywire" stuff, the "robots becoming sentient" thing, the multiple timelines, even the idea that they were all stuck in time loops - it's just great and exciting scifi. Everything since has been trying to figure out what story to tell after that, and failing on multiple levels. But it looks pretty!
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Megillah Gorilla posted:I haven't seen someone tossed aside so unceremoniously by a show since the Irish girlfriend Peter Petrelli left the doomsday future in Heroes. Ha, oh man, I totally forgot about her. Just like Peter Petrelli did. What a good one season show that was, if you ignore the final moments that set up the second season.
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thrawn527 posted:Ha, oh man, I totally forgot about her. Just like Peter Petrelli did. Heroes was the show that was supposed to rotate cast with new blood every season but surprise the show was a huge hit and you can't toss all your cast aside so it's time for Peter and Sylar 4 ever.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Heroes was the show that was supposed to rotate cast with new blood every season but surprise the show was a huge hit and you can't toss all your cast aside so it's time for Peter and Sylar 4 ever. It would have been a great idea, because it's clear they made Peter and Sylar too powerful to keep around for long. They clearly had no idea what to do with them after the first season.
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thrawn527 posted:It would have been a great idea, because it's clear they made Peter and Sylar too powerful to keep around for long. They clearly had no idea what to do with them after the first season. S1 had an evil Peter S2 had a different evil Peter who simultaneously nerfed him
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AndyElusive posted:So Lawrence was also Dolores? Come on, it's already been established to be Dolawrence
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stephenthinkpad posted:They could have made a whole reason on just escaping the westworld "island" with zero mystery box and it would have made better TV than S2. There are enough lore in the overworld if the showrunnners actually care about maintaining the lore. From there, you'd have a natural stepping off point for a S3 where Dolores goes to the real world with the plan to replace humanity with hosts, only to realize that the only humanity she has seen is the concentrated vileness of the rich, and her adopting a new plan. William would probably be the most natural antagonist here, wanting to clean up the mess properly, while Dolores as Hale would have to play the part convincingly enough that he doesn't try to kill her too like he did his daughter, while she defrauds Delos to set up her secret host making base. Maybe have her follow the "Replace humanity plan" for at least half the season, making the plan thoroughly in motion by the time we later get Robohale returning to that plan. Not sure exactly what would be the big dramatic finale thing - perhaps Dolores plays into William's paranoia to the point that he ends up shooting a bunch of people, convince they're hosts? This might even play into Dolores' plans beyond getting rid of William, if Hale steps in and rights the ship immediately. At that point you basically have the current S3 set up as S4, apart from the Maeve storyline. Not sure exactly how you fit her in, maybe just have her S3 be a lower stakes story of her just trying to be "Whoever the gently caress she wants to be" in the real world, content that her daughter is basically in heaven? And slowly realizing something is wrong with how the world works, a different perspective on the Rehoboam system that Dolores is realizing runs the world. Her conflict with Dolores in S4 could then be based on Serac tracking her down and convincing her that Dolores' plan is to replace humanity, and that this plan threatens the existence of roboheaven, with Serac offering her a way into roboheaven if she helps take down Dolores. I guess the "big twist" of the season would be Halores being presumed dead after the car bomb, and William finally being right in his paranoia and rampaging his way into her secret base after escaping from the institution.
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whalestory posted:Come on, it's already been established to be Dolawrence Ugh, what a weak effort on my part.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:So, what was even the point of bringing Luke Hemsworth back this season? The funniest part about this is how they did an after-credits BTS about how much fun the actors had on their buddy-cop adventure this season...which lasted for about 30 minutes of total screen time? It was great stuff, they had awesome chemistry, it just all kind of went to waste like most things on the show. esperterra posted:
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GABA ghoul posted:What exactly did you like about it? The boring action scenes completely devoid of any tension or stakes? The nonsensical unsympathetic characters? The gibberish plot? Season 2 is a confusing modernized main course, with some fantastic bits marred by the overall priorities of the chef. No, the essence of mashed potatoes is not "yellow". Season 3 is a dessert that could've been awesome, but the chef doesn't know how to temper chocolate and yet they decided to add even more than the recipe prescriped.
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I finished yesterday. I was viewing this season as a very expensive and long video game on film, but that became harder and harder because the plot was a mess and the fight scenes were somehow boring as poo poo. Whoever said that it felt like a Wikipedia plot summary was right and it reminded me a lot of later GoT seasons. I'm guessing that Nolan and Joy were working towards creating a Sci Fi Western set in post-apocalypse future USA, so I'll tune in next season to see Fallout, but drat this show is annoying for wasting such potential.
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