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Should Gaj make his own thread
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Yes, make a new thread 6 54.55%
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learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
My god, the insane boomer anti-mask anger documented here is certainly a thing to behold.

https://twitter.com/BadLegalTakes

I do not know or care if this is fake or not, I choose to believe

https://twitter.com/TheBadBob/status/1258846106949021696

learnincurve fucked around with this message at 20:50 on May 8, 2020

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Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
Actually Gibson's poo poo owned and wasn't boring at all, suck it Shadowrunailures. Speaking of the latter I think Bright was a pretty good attempt at a movie adaptation of Shadowrun without getting involved with IP

boar guy
Jan 25, 2007

Colonel Cancer posted:

Actually Gibson's poo poo owned and wasn't boring at all, suck it Shadowrunailures. Speaking of the latter I think Bright was a pretty good attempt at a movie adaptation of Shadowrun without getting involved with IP

i really dug the Peripheral and can't wait to read the sequel, though it's not about who i thought it'd be

20 Blunts
Jan 21, 2017
funniest thing for me taking contact information from people on the phone at work. I generally want my potential clients to communicate via email, but sometimes if they sound really goddamn old, like halfway in the coffin old, I'll hesitate to even bother. But most of the time I do ask and I think I'm more likely to get an adamant "NO EMAIL GRGGHHH" from boomers than the real olds. Funny when somebody born in the late 1920's has an email like Ennis1927@sbcglobal or whatever.

also Id like to point out Dennis Hopper is 35 fuckin years old in that corny documentary he made, so hes a silent for sure. I didn't realize Easy Rider was his directorial debut so maybe thats why he such a douche in the video

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
Overly Sarcastic Productions has a really good video about Stranger in a Strange Land and Heinleins weird beliefs

https://youtu.be/3jAkplrZci0

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

PipHelix posted:

Pretty much nothing else that happened required her.

True, but that's because the book is trying to contrast her upbringing via an actual real human interacting with her to another character who is tutored by basically a human construct trapped in a book, to a huge army of orphans being brought up by a purely artificial book.

The central point being that you need an actual human being involved in parenting, even if it's remote.

Also, she gets raped near the end, yes. But when I read the book I got the impression she was pretty profoundly traumatised before and her matter-of-fact account of the event is something I recognise from literature about abuse victims. I'm afraid that's Stephenson having done his research. :(

Stephenson has been getting further and further up his own rectum with every book but he makes some pretty un-techbro points quite often. Probably by accident…

Betazoid
Aug 3, 2010

Hallo. Ik ben een leeuw.

20 Blunts posted:

But most of the time I do ask and I think I'm more likely to get an adamant "NO EMAIL GRGGHHH" from boomers than the real olds. Funny when somebody born in the late 1920's has an email like Ennis1927@sbcglobal or whatever.

I didn't get to meet him, but my husband's grandfather was apparently like this. Loved video games, computers, technology in general, avid reader, etc. He sounds like he was a cool dude in general, and he was born in the mid 1920s and served in WWII and Korea.

His son (husband's dad) is the ultra Boomer, crazy conservative, obsessed with Fox News, has some reeeaaaal dodgy opinions about people of color, etc. Bizarre.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Colonel Cancer posted:

Actually Gibson's poo poo owned and wasn't boring at all, suck it Shadowrunailures. Speaking of the latter I think Bright was a pretty good attempt at a movie adaptation of Shadowrun without getting involved with IP

lmao loving yikes

Cough Drop The Beat
Jan 22, 2012

by Lowtax

mind the walrus posted:

lmao loving yikes

Lol yeah. People who unironically enjoy Gibson probably think Dan Brown is the height of historical fiction too.

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

Cough Drop The Beat posted:

Lol yeah. People who unironically enjoy Gibson probably think Dan Brown is the height of historical fiction too.

You can't prove there isn't a secret Jesus sex conspiracy cult!

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
I think Epstein's assassination has proven once and for all an existence of an aristocratic sex cult :shrug:

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

Betazoid posted:

I didn't get to meet him, but my husband's grandfather was apparently like this. Loved video games, computers, technology in general, avid reader, etc. He sounds like he was a cool dude in general, and he was born in the mid 1920s and served in WWII and Korea.

His son (husband's dad) is the ultra Boomer, crazy conservative, obsessed with Fox News, has some reeeaaaal dodgy opinions about people of color, etc. Bizarre.

My boomer parents are reasonably tech savvy but they've never been into computer games. But with the coronavirus I bought a Nintendo Switch and somehow it's caught on with them. It started with (surprisingly) Diablo 3 and my mum who has never played a videogame in her life picked it up and beat it. Her staying up till 3am to play it and kicking me off so she could play was pretty funny and I rather enjoyed teasing her about the hard time she gave me about playing too many videogames as a teenager. Then my dad saw me playing breath of the wild and that led to them buying my sister's Switch off her and setting up their own Nintendo accounts for cloud storage and stuff. Only took them 60 years but they've finally "got" videogames and it's fascinating to watch.

PipHelix
Nov 11, 2017



BigDave posted:

You can't prove there isn't a secret Jesus sex conspiracy cult!

He doesn't need to, the Boston Globe pretty much sewed up that question.

Antigravitas posted:

Also, she gets raped near the end, yes. But when I read the book I got the impression she was pretty profoundly traumatised before and her matter-of-fact account of the event is something I recognise from literature about abuse victims. I'm afraid that's Stephenson having done his research. :(

It's possible I misremember, but what I can recall is she goes about it like weathering a hurricane. She preps by pissing herself, the whole time it's going on she's calmly picking her moment and the second one appears, she's a goddamn ninja, kungfu kicking and slicing fuckers up with a samurai sword that she gets from... somewhere. I can see emotional dissociation in a traumatic event, but the one time I've been in a high stress fight situation, I may as well have cerebral palsy for how well my body reacted. That's the bit that didn't ring true. Even whatever training the weird scottish colonial merc she lived with would have been entirely hypothetical.

Again, I could have misread, but I got the sense she was basically John Wicking it, I'm not in here with you you're in here with me and all that.

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost


Reaping, sowing, etc.

Sentient Data
Aug 31, 2011

My molecule scrambler ray will disintegrate your armor with one blow!
I legitimately thought i clicked on the favorite onion story thread, that's hilarious

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

Speaking of reaping what they sow.

They put some episodes of Hoarders on Netflix. I've never sat and watched the show until now. I just watched the first episode they have. The hoarder couple were boomer as gently caress.

I know that hoarding is a mental disorder, but it makes me so goddamn angry. They had an economic life to be able to buy these huge houses and then they spent decades filling it with literal tons of literal garbage, being public nuisances, saying things to the police that would have been an instant death sentence to any young minority, abusing animals, and acting like goddamn children.

I was upset when the episode ended and there was no on screen epilogue saying the city evicted them and demolished their home.

coolskull
Nov 11, 2007

Pretty good posted:

Boomers love saying "I need you to" instead of "could you please"

idiots who ‘need’ things from service workers are a pet peeve of mine. there has never been a person who needed a cheeseburger (plain only!!)

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

It's a pet peeve of mine when Boomers ask me "Would you like to?" when they have clear institutional authority and are giving me a command. Just say "Could you please ___?" goddamn.

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

BigDave posted:

You can't prove there isn't a secret Jesus sex conspiracy cult!
If you don't believe that the members of capital are wall to wall sex cult, then I just don't know what to do with your gerber baby level of naivete.

Veni Vidi Ameche!
Nov 2, 2017

by Fluffdaddy

Random Stranger posted:

Who hosed her way out of Vietnam when she was 12. This is presented as a good thing and the story talks about how nice the pedophile loving her was.

It absolutely is not presented as a good thing, except for the part where she isn’t slaughtered.

Like, her patron is presented as a scumbag, but one who saved her life. He’s not a hero in the story, except in that, again, she wasn’t slaughtered.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

PipHelix posted:

she's a goddamn ninja, kungfu kicking and slicing fuckers up with a samurai sword that she gets from... somewhere.

I don't remember that from the book but I'm also rather disinclined from checking. :ohdear:

rotinaj
Sep 5, 2008

Fun Shoe

mind the walrus posted:

It's a pet peeve of mine when Boomers ask me "Would you like to?" when they have clear institutional authority and are giving me a command. Just say "Could you please ___?" goddamn.

Solidarity, brother. Words matter, and when I’m asked if I would like to do something, it feels like the answer should be able to be “no, I don’t feel like doing this thing for you.” That answer is apparently wrong?

Just ask me to do the thing, don’t ask me if I’d like to do this thing that only benefits you. I more than likely don’t want to.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
I will never ever understand the average boomer’s total inability to just stay at home for even one single day.

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Rod Hoofhearted
Jun 18, 2000

I am a ghost




mind the walrus posted:

It's a pet peeve of mine when Boomers ask me "Would you like to?" when they have clear institutional authority and are giving me a command. Just say "Could you please ___?" goddamn.

Half my childhood was spent with my mother saying "Would you like to..." do some chore and me flatly saying, "No," and then her raging out at me. It's weird to look back on it now, 'cuz as an 8-year-old I realized that was a stupid colloquialism, and yet my mom kept doing it for years. And where did it come from? Is there some German phrase that in its original German it's more obviously a command, but when you translate it literally to English it comes off as a request?

Not Boomers exclusively, and I only run into this at work now, but people who ask, "Can you do me a favor?" and then wait for you to say yes. It depends on what the favor is. If the favor is within my job description, I'll do it. If you're going to ask me to do something hosed up or far outside my job description, gently caress off.

Aaravos
May 9, 2020

by Cyrano4747
If you buy Bitcoin now, you won't need your parents' house when they die, because you'll have your own little mcmansion by then.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

LabyaMynora posted:

Is there some German phrase that in its original German it's more obviously a command, but when you translate it literally to English it comes off as a request?

There's "Möchtest du…?" but it's just as likely to be misunderstood because it's only a command in some regions and contexts and the vast majority uses it to offer you something…like a beer.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
There is no way of asking a kid to do something that they won’t find a loophole for. For example “make us a brew duc” will result in a cup of tea being made, and then left in the kitchen with a “I didn’t realise you wanted me to bring it to you as well”

Veni Vidi Ameche!
Nov 2, 2017

by Fluffdaddy

learnincurve posted:

There is no way of asking a kid to do something that they won’t find a loophole for. For example “make us a brew duc” will result in a cup of tea being made, and then left in the kitchen with a “I didn’t realise you wanted me to bring it to you as well”

Well, you can't spank 'em. You'll get a sixer.

Aaravos
May 9, 2020

by Cyrano4747

Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:

Well, you can't spank 'em. You'll get a sixer.
Hmm yes beating your children is frowned upon in 2020.

But enough about that, what are your thoughts on Italian, Spanish, or Portuguese-speaking people?

JonathonSpectre
Jul 23, 2003

I replaced the Shermatar and text with this because I don't wanna see racial slurs every time you post what the fuck

Soiled Meat

Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:

Well, you can't spank 'em. You'll get a sixer.

But you can say, "Give me your phone charger and as you watch your battery slip lower and lower you can think about how very clever that loophole you found was."

EIDE Van Hagar
Dec 8, 2000

Beep Boop

LifeSunDeath posted:

Logan's run was awesome, they had that dial-a-tinder vacuum tube system.

Drive thru bank pneumatic tubes, but for sex partners.

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

Detective No. 27 posted:

Speaking of reaping what they sow.

They put some episodes of Hoarders on Netflix. I've never sat and watched the show until now. I just watched the first episode they have. The hoarder couple were boomer as gently caress.

I know that hoarding is a mental disorder, but it makes me so goddamn angry. They had an economic life to be able to buy these huge houses and then they spent decades filling it with literal tons of literal garbage, being public nuisances, saying things to the police that would have been an instant death sentence to any young minority, abusing animals, and acting like goddamn children.

I was upset when the episode ended and there was no on screen epilogue saying the city evicted them and demolished their home.

You're not getting any of the Joes.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

I don't know what that means.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

JonathonSpectre posted:

But you can say, "Give me your phone charger and as you watch your battery slip lower and lower you can think about how very clever that loophole you found was."

Many moons ago most of reddit called me a child abuser and narcissist because I said that if my kids, who were then aged 8, were naughty I’d unplug the router and carry it round the house with me.

Rod Hoofhearted
Jun 18, 2000

I am a ghost




Detective No. 27 posted:

I don't know what that means.

The previous title to this thread before the current one was "Well you aren't getting any of the Joes when I die then," referring to a post about someone's father who neglected all financial obligations to his family (wife and kids) in order to buy G.I. Joe dolls for his collection. When OP was an adult and confronted him about it, his response was, "well you aren't getting any of the Joes when I die then," as though they were a valuable heirloom and not just a bunch of mass-produced, plastic trash that whoever "inherits" them will most likely have to pay to get rid of.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

Ohhh, I remember that now.

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine

I think you'll find the proper name is "war barbies"?

PipHelix
Nov 11, 2017



Antigravitas posted:

I don't remember that from the book but I'm also rather disinclined from checking. :ohdear:

Apologies for the long quotes but Stephenson really loves to run at the mouth:

"They clearly were not surprised by this, nor unhappy. They were all Chinese and could become subjects of the Celestial Kingdom... Some of them might suffer imprisonment, deprivation or rape, but within a year they would all be assimilated into the C.K."

"Nell was outraged in the manner she long suspected was inevitable... whatever might be done to the mere vessel of her soul by the likes of these, her soul itself was as serene, as remote from their grasp, as the full moon is from the furious incantations of an aboriginal shaman"

Neils idea of a woman's internal monologue while considering her future rape or being actively raped is the Flintstones woodpecker after playing a record or opening a can. "Eh, it's a living."

"On her second night in the closet... she instructed the Primer to upload her design to the matter compiler and pressed the "start" button with her tongue... Ten minutes later... a knife and a sword rested on the floor... Nell maneuvered the blade... then hit the ON switch... The edge of the blade came to life like a nanotech chainsaw... Nell plunged the knife into the base of the Fists spine. He fell without speaking - he wasn't feeling any pain; from that wound or anything below the waist. Before he could asses the situation further she plugged the knife into his skull... Going round a corner, she cut a man in half as he emerged from the bathroom... as he came to investigate the sounds she ran him through several times quickly... a gaunt man in a black leather skullcap was standing before her, reaching for a gun, and while she was shoving her knife up through the center of his thorax..." It goes on and ON like this. I even omitted a couple kills in there that weren't lurid enough.

And yea, we're so much more woke now and hip to "Male artists 'empowering' rape victims by letting them tap into HulkRage and use that to power a masculine hyperviolence freakout that would heal the trauma and even the score... somehow" is bullshit, but I know the discussion was had when Straw Dogs, I Spit On Your Grave, and Last House on the Left dropped within like three years of each other, and Stephenson for all his 'research' didn't bother to clue into that in the 15 years or so before he wrote is book that features his main character getting needlessly raped as a plot point on the way to her apotheosis.

Likewise, he makes sure to mention that the army of seven year old girls that get thrown human-wave style at a psychopath, murderous millenarian cult their brilliant unbeatable tactic of 'mob a guy, wrap his legs up, then stab him on the ground' "Never failed, and none of the girls suffered more than the odd bruise or scrape." Oh so I guess if they're (unbelievably) not in any danger or physical harm, nbd forcing a seven year old girl to stab a man to death over and over.

And I also forgot that what her 'superpower' amounts to is the ability to code in her head. Just, jesus loving christ with these tech dorks. Coding is a LANGUAGE. There's nothing more impressive or magical about coding than there is about learning and communicating in any other language. She's basically a skilled draftsman and that's only impressive because there's this magical mcguffin machine in even the broom closets so if you can design a lightsaber in your head, you get a light saber.

This has already gone on way too long, but thanks to whoever posted the Stranger in a Strange Land pisstake. 'Author Insertion' is a good term. I've been a big nerd but I bounced off sci-fi into horror because every goddamn book I'd read, seems like, had Heinlein or Niven or Stephenson just stop the proceedings to have some infallible wise old man explain why this product of the author's imagination is actually the best way to order society and if people weren't such prudes/idiots/bleeding heart libs we could have this utopia.

Looking for Diamond Age on my shelf, I noticed for some reason I have "The Cat Who Walked Through Walls" on there, I guess cause I got it in a box of castoffs. Is it worth my time or should I chuck it?

PipHelix fucked around with this message at 17:25 on May 9, 2020

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
:wtc:

Yeah, I didn't remember any of that.

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PipHelix
Nov 11, 2017



Antigravitas posted:

:wtc:

Yeah, I didn't remember any of that.

I think everyone hits a sci fi phase as a kid, burns through a lot without having the context for what they're reading and just has pleasant memories of the good stuff. My family has a bunch of scifi heads in it so I read the basic stuff, starship troopers as a little kid knocking Joes together, Stranger when I got a little older and needed something to crank off over twice an hour, but then I was old enough to not want to listen to an old man who was conservative by the standards of the 70s tell me how to live my life so I read Pike and King and Koontz to get my trash fic fix. But there were always these books I'd see on the shelf and I guess had a little residual guilt over never reading, I'd check em out as an adult and would be flat horrified.

Fun fact, for example, that I think most people mindblank. Even that Stranger video elided it. In Time Enough For Love, Lazarus Long goes back in time and fucks his mother. What he ALSO does, is clone himself. But he excises his Y chomosome and doubles his X to give himself two identical twin female clones of himself. And at one point, they're all lounging, nude, in a hot tub and the girls are splashing around with each other and it's getting a little... touchy? That he reflects to himself that these 12 year old daughter/clones of himself are about to come online sexually and will need someone to introduce them to the mysteries as it were. He's the only male or other human on the ship if I recall.

And I'm not looking that up, partly not to poo poo up the thread but mostly because of how surprisingly much worse the last 20 pages of Diamond Age were than even I remembered.

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