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Stux posted:also i mean, yeah the likelyhood is they would yell out the dogs name? i dont know if thats being hamfisted more than it is just literally what would 100% happen I mean TBH I get that people think it's super edgelord but "the people you are killing act like people and not random murder robots" is something I really wish would happen in games more. The TLOU isn't necessarily the right choice but I would appreciate more situations where you get at least some variety of response that isn't 'run directly towards the person who murdered my twelve friends for no good reason." I think trying to frame every enemy in a game as a cold evil mercenary who likes eating babies is more absurd than the idea that they might be friends and be really pissed off at you for killing their pet dog. I just think it probably needs to come in a game where killing isn't an option and you can make your own choices on how to handle subject matter instead of "Isn't it sad this guy loves his dog? Now make sure to craft a SUPER Shiv so you can stab his eyes out."
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May 8, 2020 03:59
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ImpAtom posted:B) Wanted to make sure she would *never* make a decision he disagreed with
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May 8, 2020 04:08
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FalconImpala posted:This twist would work GREAT if you were in the same headspace as Ellie, and were glad to murder whatever obstacle the game put in front of you (i.e. the very, very short scene in Spec Ops), but if you're not comfortable with what's going on? You'll probably be treated the same way. This is the only oversight where Spec Ops fell on its face for some people, but now, it's the whole time. It just reminds me of Funny Games minus the point of Funny Games. I'd like to point out that the meta part of SO:TL wasn't intended as attacking the people playing it in general so much as it was the specific type of people who'd play generic manshooter games, kill a small country's worth of people while ignoring the story and feeling like they're the good guys with the loading screen messages and such ("Do you feel like a hero yet?" "Do you remember why you're here?" "How many Americans have you killed today?" and so on) not being aimed at people who don't feel that way. For those people it's more intended to think about it in a wider scope sense, like the way war damages people beyond physically or the stress soldiers undergo and such. That's going off what the lead writer has said, at least. Death of the author, etc, but I think it's still important to consider the creator's intent. Stux posted:youre saying that like its a knock on the game somehow "Intentionally bad controls" lol ok
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May 8, 2020 04:13
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Spec ops had unintentionally bad controls
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May 8, 2020 04:16
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tlou having intentionally shaky aim in a game where you have limited resources isnt a flawed design decision just like the hammer in getting over it being extremely awkward to use isnt a flawed design decision
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May 8, 2020 04:19
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Do people who play those games while ignoring the story actually think they're the good guys or do they think they're having fun shooting videogame characters? I'm not sure I agree with that premise.
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May 8, 2020 04:20
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Viridiant posted:Do people who play those games while ignoring the story actually think they're the good guys or do they think they're having fun shooting videogame characters? I'm not sure I agree with that premise. the call of duty game that came out the year after spec ops, had america literally glass the middle east and then target south america for their oil, which south america responded to by federating and building a comically large wall on the border. in response america, who had gotten nukes completely banned because of what they had done to the middle east, put in orbit a kinectic weapon that had the power to cause nuke-like destruction with inert rods and pointed it at south america, which prompted them to take control of it and use it against the USA instead. the game takes places right after this and you play as the USA and you are unambigiously the "good guys" according to the story, which ends with you wiping south america off the face of the earth with the giant space weapon. i hope this helps answer the question.
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May 8, 2020 04:26
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Jean Pierre Polnareff got his revenge and felt pretty good about it
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May 8, 2020 04:35
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Abby throws bricks labeled "hypocritical moralizing" and "it's bad on purpose" and "GOTY" over my head while I stare directly at her and say "Wow! Cool muscles!"
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May 8, 2020 04:37
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grieving for Gandalf posted:the issue with the dog killing aspect of the game isn't that you're killing virtual dogs but that it wants to make this hamfisted point by having their owners cry out their dog's name or whatever. I can practically hear the lead designer yelling "do you GET it" in my ear Maybe try this in the game before relegating it to your edgy dustbin?
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May 8, 2020 05:08
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Why the diss on AvP2, it was pretty good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ye8cLAr17k
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May 8, 2020 05:14
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lurker2006 posted:With all his faults you don't have to make him into an unnecessarily petty helicopter parent. That is the point though. He knows Ellie might make a different decision and so he lies repeatedly to her.
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May 8, 2020 05:15
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I'm looking forward to using dead dogs as bait to stab their owner.
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May 8, 2020 05:16
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JBP posted:I'm looking forward to using dead dogs as bait to stab their owner. Yeah it sounds like they are trying to make some kind of statement with the graphic violence and terrorized enemies but are just going to end up accidentally making a Friday the 13th game
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May 8, 2020 05:20
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Zongerian posted:Abby throws bricks labeled "hypocritical moralizing" and "it's bad on purpose" and "GOTY" over my head while I stare directly at her and say "Wow! Cool muscles!"
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May 8, 2020 05:25
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i think everyone agrees abbys badass and cool
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May 8, 2020 05:27
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Zongerian posted:Yeah it sounds like they are trying to make some kind of statement with the graphic violence and terrorized enemies but are just going to end up accidentally making a Friday the 13th game I don't know if they are. I think they're just making a horror game and some at ND are reveling in the shocks. I thought that the end of tlou was pretty well done, but it was still just a decent ending to a horror story. They did a better job than the walking dead did ending many of it's seasons.
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May 8, 2020 05:34
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ImpAtom posted:I mean TBH I get that people think it's super edgelord but "the people you are killing act like people and not random murder robots" is something I really wish would happen in games more. The TLOU isn't necessarily the right choice but I would appreciate more situations where you get at least some variety of response that isn't 'run directly towards the person who murdered my twelve friends for no good reason." I think trying to frame every enemy in a game as a cold evil mercenary who likes eating babies is more absurd than the idea that they might be friends and be really pissed off at you for killing their pet dog. Yeah, it'd fit fine in a game like the Thief games, and so they did it. Well, except for Dark Messiah, because that one had a different premise and ambience, and perhaps Th4if or Thi4f or whatever stupid poo poo they did with "Thief 4" or perhaps it did it too.
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May 8, 2020 05:56
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Stux posted:the call of duty game that came out the year after spec ops, had america literally glass the middle east and then target south america for their oil, which south america responded to by federating and building a comically large wall on the border. in response america, who had gotten nukes completely banned because of what they had done to the middle east, put in orbit a kinectic weapon that had the power to cause nuke-like destruction with inert rods and pointed it at south america, which prompted them to take control of it and use it against the USA instead. the game takes places right after this and you play as the USA and you are unambigiously the "good guys" according to the story, which ends with you wiping south america off the face of the earth with the giant space weapon. I'm afraid the post dedicated to describing the story did not in fact answer to me whether players who ignore that story have any sort of morality in their head when they're concentrating on blowing up and shooting the videogame people, no. I think they're very unconcerned with whether they are good or bad and are focused on how fun it is to blow things up and shoot things in a videogame.
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May 8, 2020 06:47
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Cuntellectual posted:I'd like to point out that the meta part of SO:TL wasn't intended as attacking the people playing it in general so much as it was the specific type of people who'd play generic manshooter games, kill a small country's worth of people while ignoring the story and feeling like they're the good guys with the loading screen messages and such ("Do you feel like a hero yet?" "Do you remember why you're here?" "How many Americans have you killed today?" and so on) not being aimed at people who don't feel that way. For those people it's more intended to think about it in a wider scope sense, like the way war damages people beyond physically or the stress soldiers undergo and such. Yeah i know what the author wrote, but that's kinda the least interesting part of video games when the actual game part is generic manshooter. There's a lot of games that have you do the generic video game shooting mans and then say 'hah, isn't this kinda hosed up?' and the proper response is 'yeah, it is kinda hosed up, but who's the fuckup here? the developer who's only really got fine-tuned game mechanics for shooting tons of people while even dialog-heavy games are still dragon's lair++?' Panzeh fucked around with this message at 10:50 on May 8, 2020 |
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May 8, 2020 10:47
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Viridiant posted:I'm afraid the post dedicated to describing the story did not in fact answer to me whether players who ignore that story have any sort of morality in their head when they're concentrating on blowing up and shooting the videogame people, no. i think people play those games as the good guy and think theyre killing the bad guys because all of the games yell about how youre the good guy killing the bad guy. also the people who entirely ignore the story to the point of like, skipping the cutscenes and literally not understanding the plot thats happening very loudly in front of them is a segment i dont believe actually exists. Panzeh posted:Yeah i know what the author wrote, but that's kinda the least interesting part of video games when the actual game part is generic manshooter. There's a lot of games that have you do the generic video game shooting mans and then say 'hah, isn't this kinda hosed up?' and the proper response is 'yeah, it is kinda hosed up, but who's the fuckup here? the developer who's only really got fine-tuned game mechanics for shooting tons of people while even dialog-heavy games are still dragon's lair++?' is this a bit
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May 8, 2020 14:56
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The Owl Knight in SOTN yells "Noooo!" and runs to where the dead bird is if you kill the Owl first (if you kill the Knight first the Owl just fucks off like "im free finally") Firstborn fucked around with this message at 16:19 on May 9, 2020 |
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May 9, 2020 15:56
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May 9, 2020 16:01
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the dogs’ names are EN_PERRO01 EN_PERRO02 and EN_PERRO03 and I cried when I caused their hp value to reach 0 because they were depleting PL_ELLIE00’s own hp value
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May 9, 2020 16:08
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I've been replaying Bloodborne and killing a ton of dogs truckloads of dogs the huntsmen owner dude with the rifles cry but i just keep killing dogs, i cant help it
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May 9, 2020 16:11
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Game gives you violent verbs. You press the buttons. “Don’t you feel like a piece of poo poo for using the actions we selected for your avatar?” Fallout 4 allows you to abandon the main quest and spend your days carefully building up your own community outpost in the wasteland. This is a better expression of player agency.
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May 9, 2020 16:24
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*using dead dogs all tied together as a ladder to cross a pit to the next cutscene. every dog has a name and a sad human*
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May 9, 2020 16:28
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SIGSEGV tone it down on the righteous indignation on Druckman. We get it. It's fine to be pissed off with the guy, as all evidence is currently pointing towards him being a massive piece of crap, but we don't need the Gamefaqs level poo poo posts on war crimes. Thank you.
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May 9, 2020 16:30
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Sounds like someone watched the series "Leftovers" and thought it was the most amazing thing ever instead of realizing it's just depression porn.
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May 9, 2020 16:37
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Does this game even still have the cool mushroom zombies in it?
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May 9, 2020 16:39
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Buckwheat Sings posted:Sounds like someone watched the series "Leftovers" and thought it was the most amazing thing ever instead of realizing it's just depression porn. leftovers season 2 (and maybe 3) is the only good thing lindelof ever did
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May 9, 2020 16:45
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Infinitum posted:SIGSEGV tone it down on the righteous indignation on Druckman. We get it. what the hell is sigsegv edit: oh it’s a username lol Bonaventure fucked around with this message at 17:08 on May 9, 2020 |
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May 9, 2020 16:55
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Infinity Gaia posted:Does this game even still have the cool mushroom zombies in it? Yes but now they're all wearing nametags and some of them carry a journal you can loot from their body to find out their backstory.
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May 9, 2020 17:06
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Bonaventure posted:what the hell is sigsegv It’s also a somewhat common computer error
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May 9, 2020 17:10
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Viridiant posted:Yes but now they're all wearing nametags and some of them carry a journal you can loot from their body to find out their backstory. lol i know you're just making a goof but this would backfire so hard, gamers love collecting chunks of lore too much to care for even a second that they have to get their virtual hands bloody to collect 'em
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May 9, 2020 17:14
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Viridiant posted:Yes but now they're all wearing nametags and some of them carry a journal you can loot from their body to find out their backstory. Do they also have mushroom dogs with those dog collars with nametags on them, and when you kill a mushroom dog the mushroom zombie walks over and wails incomprehensibly over it?
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May 9, 2020 17:14
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so is it bad now that you dont have to kill any dogs at all i cant keep up wheres the thread re: dogs
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May 9, 2020 17:15
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its a mixture between a really dumb feature that some poor programmer probably missed his kid's birthday to implement, the fact that the marketing materials are pushing this one specific feature really hard, and while this is just personal preference, dog enemies suck in video games they're very annoying even though dogs irl are the best
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in new leaked footage Ellie throws a molotov cocktail at a vicious dachshund and quips "now that's what i call a hot dog!"
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