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Whatever. Double posting, don't care, I want to share this. Remember how I said I ended up with 281 simultaneous holdings after an invasion with France that I intended to use to wipe them off of Europe, but had to stop when my vassals got frisky? Well, this time they didn't get frisky. Ladies and gentlemen, I present: the Restored Roman Empire at war. You might notice that the warscore is already at 100%. The Emperor of Francia has already given up trying to surrender, I keep ignoring him. We are not loving around.  The end is near. Attrition, battles, sieges, and supply limits have taken their toll, but France is in much worse shape.  All done! They can keep England for now at least. Everything striped is land I've taken from them in this war.  Is 670 a record? It feels like a record.   I don't know precisely what I need for SPQR game-wise, because it's more fun to guess, but I know Roman history pretty well, and... I feel like I'm close? 
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May 8, 2020 19:35
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"How much of France did we conquer?" "Yes."
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I was about to ask why you censored the titles for some reason, and then I realized what I was seeing.
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For SPQR you need Britain, the rest of Spain, that one province in Morocco, a few provinces around the sea if Azov, and the rest of Mesopotamia. And then you have to make sure no non-vassals are holding random baronies in your land, generally the Pope and the Holy Orders.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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According to the wiki, you only need to add England, Spain and that one bit of Morocco. That’s assuming there are no holy orders or the pope who aren’t your vassals. So yeah you’re very close, especially with three centuries to go.
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Keep in mind that at this point you can basically truce break for free as well, the relationship penalty doesn't affect your vassals, and the opinions of other rulers no longer really matter.
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May 10, 2020 15:47
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Watching the Last Kingdom got me wishing CK3 will do something to make successions a bit more interesting. In 2 you usually die out of no-where, everyone gets their titles as expected and any civil wars tend to occur a couple of years later on due to the short reign malus. There's none of the drama of people rushing to consolidate their postion as the king's health steadily declines, or the panic resulting from a young childless monarch dying without having settled the matter of succession. You just die and it all gets sorted out no problem.
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Realtime nature of the game probably messes with the idea. To make it "realistic" we should probably go through series of events affecting the result. Maybe it'd work the way HoI4 peace conferences work - everybody pretend it's a turn-based game for a while. Or maybe you play as the regent for a while, but it's against the spirit of the game.
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Succession is probably one of the weakest part of CK2 which is a shame because it ought to be the cornerstone of the character system.
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So I bought this game a while ago and never really got into it. I thought I'd give it another shot, and see how it went. Looked at the DLC list, saw that the whole bundle was over 200 euros, and decided I was not getting all that. Old Gods seemed most my speed, so I got that one, picked the Petty Kingdom of Sjælland and set about. I decided my goal should just be to keep paganism alive, and poked around the menus and saw that I had a couple of goals. I could create the kingdom of Denmark with a few subjugations, reform Germanic paganism and adopt Feudalism. So I did all that, carving bits of Germany one province at a time, mostly with the help of the infinite supply of tribal warriors I'd get with every 500 points of prestige. I tried declaring a Prepared War, but apparently any casus belli besides the single-province one allows every Christian to join in against you, and that was not something I could take on. I managed to take Scotland in a Great Holy War somehow. I'm still not sure how it worked out, but the mainland armies never actually shipped to Scotland and focused on loving up my German holdings. That apparently got me on the Pope's shitlist, because not much later he declared a crusade against me, and there was absolutely nothing I could do to hold off the unwashed hordes of all of mainland Europe. They took all of my lands south of the Elbe, which cost me one of my holy sites and was a total bummer. Worse, I usurped the kingdom of Skotland, which means I'll be totally hosed when my ruler dies. I hadn't really thought about inheritance, because I'd been going through a series of getting one or no sons, which meant my heir got all my titles. Now I've got two sons and two kingdoms with different inheritance laws. I'd be fine with losing the kingdom of Skotland to one son and have a decent pagan kingdom with a Knytling on the throne, but one of the Jarls took an Irish province, and whoever inherits Skotland will also get the Jarldom of Holstein, and I will not abide ugly borders. I've finally reached the point where I need advice, and I'm just gonna toss a bunch of them out there and see what happens. -My current strategy is to usurp the Kingdom of Ireland before I die, in the hopes that I can declare myself emperor of the north sea and let my sons inherit those kingdoms instead of ruining my borders. Then I realized I have no idea if holding three kingdoms actually means I can create an empire. Is that a thing? -One of my Jarls converted to Christianity, and has been a real thorn in my side. This happened once before, but he quickly commited some treason, which let me strip his title and sacifice him. This one has just been hanging around for generations and preventing me from changing my succession laws without giving me cause to remove him, my seer has had no luck converting him (if that's even a thing) and I can't plot to revoke his title for reasons which are not entirely clear to me. How do I get the title back in the hands of a pagan? -I've mostly been spending my money building up my core provinces and hiring the occasional mercenary band. Should I spending them on something else? I'm getting ~4k troops from my demesne and half that from my vassals, but when I look around, my neighbors get fewer troops from demesne and many, many more from vassals. Am I supposed to buy upgrades in vassal provinces, too? -France and Germany have been frustratingly stable and keep growing bigger to the south of me. I haven't picked a fight since the crusade, but they're both growing faster than I am. Germany has even reformed from East Francia and have quashed multiple massive rebellions but are still in one piece. I need to take them down a peg, because outside of Sweden, the Scandinavian peninsula is a horrible quilt of counties they've conquered and fragmented viking nations. Is there a way I can gently caress them up and cause them to break into manageable chunks? -Is there any way to stave off a crusade when the Christians outnumber the Norse three to one? Do I just need to resign myself to losing a chunk of land whenever the Pope decides I'm a bigger threat than the Muslims, who incidentally control almost all of Spain? -How exactly are you supposed to spread your bloodline across the world? I've arranged some marriages, but those all lead to the spouse moving into my court, or my child being shipped off and having kids of a different dynasty.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:-My current strategy is to usurp the Kingdom of Ireland before I die, in the hopes that I can declare myself emperor of the north sea and let my sons inherit those kingdoms instead of ruining my borders. Then I realized I have no idea if holding three kingdoms actually means I can create an empire. Is that a thing? quote:-One of my Jarls converted to Christianity, and has been a real thorn in my side. This happened once before, but he quickly commited some treason, which let me strip his title and sacifice him. This one has just been hanging around for generations and preventing me from changing my succession laws without giving me cause to remove him, my seer has had no luck converting him (if that's even a thing) and I can't plot to revoke his title for reasons which are not entirely clear to me. How do I get the title back in the hands of a pagan? quote:-I've mostly been spending my money building up my core provinces and hiring the occasional mercenary band. Should I spending them on something else? I'm getting ~4k troops from my demesne and half that from my vassals, but when I look around, my neighbors get fewer troops from demesne and many, many more from vassals. Am I supposed to buy upgrades in vassal provinces, too? quote:-France and Germany have been frustratingly stable and keep growing bigger to the south of me. I haven't picked a fight since the crusade, but they're both growing faster than I am. Germany has even reformed from East Francia and have quashed multiple massive rebellions but are still in one piece. I need to take them down a peg, because outside of Sweden, the Scandinavian peninsula is a horrible quilt of counties they've conquered and fragmented viking nations. Is there a way I can gently caress them up and cause them to break into manageable chunks? quote:-Is there any way to stave off a crusade when the Christians outnumber the Norse three to one? Do I just need to resign myself to losing a chunk of land whenever the Pope decides I'm a bigger threat than the Muslims, who incidentally control almost all of Spain? quote:-How exactly are you supposed to spread your bloodline across the world? I've arranged some marriages, but those all lead to the spouse moving into my court, or my child being shipped off and having kids of a different dynasty. megane fucked around with this message at 06:46 on May 12, 2020 |
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:-One of my Jarls converted to Christianity, and has been a real thorn in my side. This happened once before, but he quickly commited some treason, which let me strip his title and sacifice him. This one has just been hanging around for generations and preventing me from changing my succession laws without giving me cause to remove him, my seer has had no luck converting him (if that's even a thing) and I can't plot to revoke his title for reasons which are not entirely clear to me. How do I get the title back in the hands of a pagan? If you're reformed Germanic then you should be able to directly demand him to convert, it's in the right click menu. You'll need >35 relations. The target of each Crusade is picked based on this weighted list. Basically, you'll keep getting Crusades called against you for taking parts of Germany, but you can fly under the radar by constraining yourself to eastern Europe and the British isles, which are weighted lower than places like Jerusalem and Egypt.
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Isn't it possible to call in allies to counter-crusade? Also, try to 'liberate' Stettin so the Jomsviking pagan holy order will spawn. E: or Wolgast, Rügen or Werle, and it's gotta be 920 or later. Tias fucked around with this message at 10:30 on May 12, 2020 |
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megane posted:The Charlemagne DLC lets you make an empire out of whatever giant pile of land you might have, at the cost of a whopping 8000 prestige. Outside of that, and a few specific empires created by decision, you need 80% of an existing de jure empire (there's a map mode to show this). Huh. Guess I'll have to get that DLC. I can totally get to 8000 prestige if I try, I bet. I did see the de jure empire, and Scandinavia is both a shitton of provinces and all pagan, so that was never part of my plan. megane posted:There are several ways; here are a few. You could have his heir educated by a pagan (e.g. yourself) with the Faith focus. You can just straight up revoke the title (right click on him) -- if you don't have a reason you'll be considered a tyrant, but maybe you don't care. You can alternately 1) find a reason to imprison him, for instance by spying on him, 2) try to imprison him and fail, causing him to rebel, 3) kick his rear end in war, causing him to be imprisoned and giving you an excuse to revoke. Various Meat Products posted:If you're reformed Germanic then you should be able to directly demand him to convert, it's in the right click menu. You'll need >35 relations. I've tried most of that. He stubbornly refuses to give me any cause to act against him, and converting hasn't panned out because he and his family are Zealous as hell. He also won't allow me to pick a guardian for his kids, I'm assuming because he's the kid's direct liege. I guess I can do a little tyranny. megane posted:I never do. You get roughly 30% of your vassals' troops, so if you build them stuff you're only getting 30% of the value... and you gave the vassal more troops to rebel with later. If you want to sink a giant lump of gold into something, you can always build and upgrade a second castle in your capital. Yeah, that's all as I expected. Bavaria and Aquitaine seem to have gotten bigger since I last checked, so there's some hope there! Germany has gone through like three generations of Ill-Rulers and Unreadies, and so far it has done little to slow them down. Various Meat Products posted:The target of each Crusade is picked based on this weighted list. Basically, you'll keep getting Crusades called against you for taking parts of Germany, but you can fly under the radar by constraining yourself to eastern Europe and the British isles, which are weighted lower than places like Jerusalem and Egypt. Hm, that does make sense. I guess I have a fair amount of work ahead of me carving up the British Isles and cleaning out the Catholics from Scandinavia. Also Egypt is held by the ironically titled Kingdom of Jerusalem, while the actual kingdom of Jerusalem is held by the Abbasids. I guess that does make Islam less of a priority for the pope than it tends to be. Tias posted:Isn't it possible to call in allies to counter-crusade? Also, try to 'liberate' Stettin so the Jomsviking pagan holy order will spawn. Oh yeah, the three-to-one thing is with all the Germanic Pagans backing me up. The Jormsvikings are also around and have been a big help.
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If you have the jade dragon dlc and are somehow in diplomatic range and have some relics to flog to the Chinese, you could request they invade. It's expensive, but they completely crushed and shattered egypt for me, which is making my Irish Jerusalem game a lot easier!
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I've tried most of that. He stubbornly refuses to give me any cause to act against him, and converting hasn't panned out because he and his family are Zealous as hell. He also won't allow me to pick a guardian for his kids, I'm assuming because he's the kid's direct liege. I guess I can do a little tyranny. Zealots will never convert, regardless of relations. Time to fall back on plan A and stab him along with his entire family.
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i dont think you have this option as a tribal pagan, but there is eventually a title revocation law which allows you free revocations against heretics. if you're feudal and reformed, check your kingdom laws to see if you can change revocation policy in your situation just murder him, either through intrigue or constantly piss him off and challenge him to duels - assuming that, as germanic, you are in the warrior society and are an axe wielding lunatic, as you should be. or is warrior society gated in the holy fury dlc? e: also never invest in your vassal holdings unless you plan to make them your holdings sooner rather than later, the cost isn't worth it and you're basically just making your vassals more prone to not obeying you Mr. Fall Down Terror fucked around with this message at 16:33 on May 12, 2020 |
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What DLC do you need to reform paganism? Is it in the base game? Can you refer any pagan religion?
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Pretty sure it's always been in the base game, or at least was patched in at some point.
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you need old gods to unlock some pagans and holy fury to unlock others. you get basic reformation with the base game but holy fury makes reformation more fun. i think other pagans need other dlc, like to get tibet you need the china dlc and horse lords dlc for nomads
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I was Western Slavic in my first run. I switched to Catholic fairly early, but could I have reformed? How do you know where the holy sites are?
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on the religion mapmode if you click in to yourself or some other realm with your religion, holy site provinces will be highlighted. you need 750 piety and either 3/5 holy sites with 50%+ moral authority, or all five holy sites. this basically turns you into a big boy religion and with holy fury you can pick some reform beliefs like matriarchy or heart-eating and other wild stuff
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I'm pretty sure both Old Gods (and Holy Fury) unlock all religions in the Pagan group since that's how it was advertised, and later pagans like the Zunists and Bon were made backwards compatible with Old Gods. Bon's also unlocked by Jade Dragon, but isn't needed if you have Old Gods. The reformation mechanic was added with Old Gods since that's what made pagans playable, but the reformed version of the religion was set in stone in terms of its effects. The new system where you pick your reforms was part of Old Gods. You can see the holy sites of a religion on the religion screen at the end of the menu bar at the top left, or if you clikc on a province on the religion map mode, it will highlight the holy sites of the owner's religion.
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So it turns out that you can revoke titles from infidels and you'll get little to no relationship damage with true believers. That's pretty good to know! I was not able to raise the 8000 prestige, and now Skotland and Irland are a pretty ugly patchwork thing, but fortunately the crusade decided to head for Egypt this time, which meant that that was a perfect time to declare a Great Holy War for England. Now I'm big enough to declare an empire without holding three kingdoms, so I just need to amass the required prestige with my significantly younger current king.
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that's not a hard target of prestige to hit if you do the proper germanic thing, which is to constantly sack rome
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You can also just convert to an already organized religion to get quicker access to feudalism and get a CB on all of your pagan neighbors. That's always on the table if you're not married to your pagan mechanics.Reveilled posted:The reformation mechanic was added with Old Gods since that's what made pagans playable, but the reformed version of the religion was set in stone in terms of its effects. The new system where you pick your reforms was part of Holy Fury. Fixed that for you. Otherwise, good advice. I'm sure somebody can repost the rundown of which DLCs are more worth it than others, but there's also the wiki page that can be handy.
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SlothfulCobra posted:You can also just convert to an already organized religion to get quicker access to feudalism and get a CB on all of your pagan neighbors. That's always on the table if you're not married to your pagan mechanics. As a fun bonus, if you do this you can even convert back in a few different ways, or just do it late in your character's life, so that when you kick the bucket your still-pagan heir can quietly swap all back all the statues of Jesus for statues of Freyr and pretend none of that ever happened.
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New CK3 developer diary on Map scope More of Eastern Europe, more of Africa, more of Tibet. And also Mongolia and Burma.
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SlothfulCobra posted:You can also just convert to an already organized religion to get quicker access to feudalism and get a CB on all of your pagan neighbors. That's always on the table if you're not married to your pagan mechanics. Thanks for the correction! That was what I meant to type but welp, it wasn't what I actually wrote.
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Dwesa posted:New CK3 developer diary on Map scope I'm not sure I can get much more excited for this, to be honest. The map extensions sound great, and I was very excited to see that culture map. I'm really looking forward to this.
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The only thing that seems kinda bad is special buildings vs great works. They just seem a lot more limiting than allowing you the ability to make your own.
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catlord posted:I'm not sure I can get much more excited for this, to be honest. The map extensions sound great, and I was very excited to see that culture map. I'm really looking forward to this. Only Cisalpine culture and no Transalpine culture is problematic.
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The only things I particularly had on my wishlist for the map was Fraxinet and some kind of event to create the Swiss. Maybe big subsaharan African states with coastal counties should have an event where they can send an expedition to America, never to return unless the Aztecs attack. I do worry about that mountain texture they have, since all those shadows don't look great from a distance, and they kinda blend with the text. Eimi posted:The only thing that seems kinda bad is special buildings vs great works. They just seem a lot more limiting than allowing you the ability to make your own. They might still have great works (and they might end up adding great works separately later). I think what really will determine how much game feel the unique buildings give the game will be heavily dependent on the building system as a whole. I always had issues with CK2 where there were like 10-20 buildings in every province, each that gave small bonuses that you can only start to feel after like a century, so it was just a lot of details I couldn't keep track of.
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luxury handset posted:that's not a hard target of prestige to hit if you do the proper germanic thing, which is to constantly sack rome I have yet to sack Rome, but I did sack enough Catholics to hit 8k. Unfortunately, earlier the same year, my ruler fell Incapable, which prevents you from creating an empire. I managed to hit the target on my heir, when I noticed that Germany had converted to the Orthodox chuch, and thus would not have the backing of the Catholic church if I just took the whole drat country. Now I'm an emperor and way above my vassal limit, which means constant rebellions. I've given away all the Kingdoms I have, but I need to usurp Germany to get below the limit, which can only happen when both they and I are at peace. So far, it hasn't panned out. Also, my vassal kingdoms do not respect my desire for pretty borders. Now I also hold a single province in France, as well as a couple chunks of the Netherlands. If I want to export this playthrough to EUIV, do I get the option to pretty up my borders first? I'll happily give up the empire and go in with a bunch of pagan kingdoms, but ugly borders are a no-no.
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McGavin posted:Only Cisalpine culture and no Transalpine culture is problematic. New thread title! We’re well overdue one now.
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Dwesa posted:New CK3 developer diary on Map scope Wonder if this means they'll have some form of interaction with China from the start.
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Probably in the form of events or decisions. People often forget that a lot of stuff added by expansions was in the game from the beginning. So it's not like before expansions you had no plague, no Mongols, no lifestyles, no stargazing, no council interactions. It was all there but in a simpler form.
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