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Sunswipe posted:I can't forgive anyone who was responsible for The Matrix films. The sequels? Definitely not. I still remember how pissed I was in 2003 when they say "oh yeah btw rogue/outdated programs/viruses are what account for ghosts, werewolves, vampires, and aliens" and they make it sound like there's gonna be this whole new badass special effects bonanza with Neo fighting monsters... and then it turns out to be a bunch more club kids but this time they pull weapons off the wall. gently caress that loving noise.
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The first Matrix was great and absolutely holds up, but pretend it ends 5 seconds early with Neo walking into the crowd instead of dumb flying bit right at the end. Reloaded is terrible, and was apparently written entirely by the kind of tiresome people who liked to have deep intellectual conversations about the original. Revolutions is literally unwatchable. It's a ninety minute mech fight centred around characters you never heard of unless you watched some anime dogshit and played a lovely video game.
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May 10, 2020 21:35
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Reloaded at least had the highway fight and threw in some good plot hooks at the end like Neo killing a robot outside the matrix (the architect talk was dumb as hell though). It wasn’t a good movie but it was good at getting you super hyped to see what would happen next. Then revolutions came out and the cool plot hooks either went nowhere (the Merovigian’s weird group of programs) or were ignored completely (seriously how did he kill that robot). The main action scene was a bunch of people in robots shooting at some black mold on the ceiling. And since Reloaded and Revolutions were basically made to be two halves of one movie, by making GBS threads the bed so hard it made Reloaded, which was already on shaky ground, basically terrible.
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May 10, 2020 21:40
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There was one good part in Revolutions-- the initial realization that he was trapped in the train station. Literally everything else I remember about that movie was garbage, unless you're one of those people who thinks the DBZ fight at the end is good... which I do not. Like it's technically competent but it's such a narrative dud I find it very hard to get excited about even as spectacle.
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May 10, 2020 21:48
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I watched the first Matrix for the first time in a solid decade and...eh. The acting is not great and I guess my appreciation for good action scenes has evolved because a bunch of Hong Kong fight punch effects just sounds silly now. The film had style though and the story was solid. Reloaded had a good start with lots of potential and all of it ended when the Ghost Twins died without any interesting backstory. mind the walrus posted:The collective urge to give Keanu an eternal blowjob is tiresome, but The Matrix is absolutely a modern classic. Keanu is a really nice person and an average actor who works hard and is incredibly lucky picking movie roles and that's all he really needs to be.
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May 10, 2020 22:00
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Krispy Wafer posted:I watched the first Matrix for the first time in a solid decade and...eh. The acting is not great and I guess my appreciation for good action scenes has evolved because a bunch of Hong Kong fight punch effects just sounds silly now. The film had style though and the story was solid. Reloaded had a good start with lots of potential and all of it ended when the Ghost Twins died without any interesting backstory. quote:Keanu is a really nice person and an average actor who works hard and is incredibly lucky picking movie roles and that's all he really needs to be.
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May 10, 2020 22:09
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Keanu Reeves is also a great martial arts movie director and if you haven’t seen Man of Tai Chi you should fix that ASAP.
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May 10, 2020 22:11
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Sweevo posted:Revolutions is literally unwatchable. It's a ninety minute mech fight centred around characters you never heard of unless you watched some anime dogshit and played a lovely video game. The Animatrix is really good though, it's too bad we didn't get more things like that.
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May 10, 2020 22:15
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Iron Crowned posted:The Animatrix is really good though, it's too bad we didn't get more things like that. The rest are all either forgettable, or in the case of that Square-Enix one borderline unwatchable.
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May 10, 2020 22:33
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mind the walrus posted:Parts are good. The Second Renaissance is solid if you ignore the goofy-as-gently caress robot designs. The one with the athlete running is really good. The one with the kids discovering the glitch area is really good. That's fair enough
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May 10, 2020 22:35
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The Matrix trilogy is always worth watching in my opinion, but a big deal was made about how smart and philosophical it was when it’s on the level of a kid In 10th grade smoking weed and asking his friend what if like we were asleep and this is a dream
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May 10, 2020 22:51
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Like the main bad guy asks him why he does stuff and he says, get this, because I choose to (passes out)
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May 10, 2020 22:52
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the matrix was an amazing entrée to a main course that never fully materialized, so now it's caught in a weird place where you ideally ignore what came after it even tho doing so leaves the first one a little bare and underdeveloped still a 90s classic tho
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May 10, 2020 23:30
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mind the walrus posted:Parts are good. The Second Renaissance is solid if you ignore the goofy-as-gently caress robot designs. The one with the athlete running is really good. The one with the kids discovering the glitch area is really good. lol they played the Square-Enix one in front of some other terrible movie to promote the sequels.
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May 10, 2020 23:40
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Len posted:He made Weird Al feel bad OK, but was he Sir Andrew Lloyd Weber at the time? Because he shouldn't be held responsible for anything his characters did.
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May 10, 2020 23:52
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:lol they played the Square-Enix one in front of some other terrible movie to promote the sequels. It’s the one that directly ties into the story even though it answers a question that nobody asked (how did they know all the sentinels were digging to Zion?). The first movie had the benefit of years and years of pre-production where the sequels didn’t. That and the fact that the studio let them do whatever they want were the main problems with the sequels. Tighter writing and editing would have solved many of their problems. There’s probably a really good 2 hour sequel somewhere in that 5 hours we ended up getting.
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May 11, 2020 00:04
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Yea, its called Path of Neo. Matrix Revolutions would be a classic if it played We Are The Champions after a fight with a giant mecha Smith.
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May 11, 2020 00:09
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Honestly that would have been better than what we got. Full-blown self parody would have been preferred.
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May 11, 2020 01:33
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The most positive thing I can say about the Matrix sequels is that I'm still really excited about the fourth one they announced they're doing. The Matrix sequels are my favorite kind of bad: ambitious and uncharted. Yeah, they hosed up, but I can't point you to anyone who did it better because the thing they tried to do basically just didn't exist (and probably still doesn't). It's a hell of a lot better to have in the world than Justice League failing at being something we already got in The Avengers, or Star Wars failing at being something we already got in Star Wars.
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May 11, 2020 01:44
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christmas boots posted:OK, but was he Sir Andrew Lloyd Weber at the time? Because he shouldn't be held responsible for anything his characters did. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp-l0s3PokA Very much not.
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May 11, 2020 01:46
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Cleretic posted:The most positive thing I can say about the Matrix sequels is that I'm still really excited about the fourth one they announced they're doing. Thank you for putting into words the weird feeling I've had about the Matrix sequels for years. They had the makings of something unique and great, and they don't get enough credit for it. Honestly, my biggest gripe is that I love the idea of the Merovingian and I don't think it was used enough. The idea of a sentient desktop recycle bin that HASN'T been clicking 'empty bin' after programs are deleted, but has been building a black market empire of discontinued programs? Show me more about that dude! I don't need more Neo, I want to hear toaster crime lord stories.
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May 11, 2020 01:52
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I know this was two pages ago but is there a blog or a newsletter where I can watch Neil Gaiman realize he has the worst taste in women in real time?
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May 11, 2020 01:52
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Len posted:He made Weird Al feel bad On the other hand, Weird Al is a perfect human being and should be on the shelf with the other living paragons of humanity.
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May 11, 2020 01:59
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VanSandman posted:I know this was two pages ago but is there a blog or a newsletter where I can watch Neil Gaiman realize he has the worst taste in women in real time? He used to have a blog.
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May 11, 2020 02:03
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GoutPatrol posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp-l0s3PokA lol I think I remember Weird talking about this on a Comedy Bang Bang podcast.
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May 11, 2020 02:05
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Cleretic posted:The most positive thing I can say about the Matrix sequels is that I'm still really excited about the fourth one they announced they're doing.
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May 11, 2020 02:20
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The Matrix didn't need any sequels and it should have stayed that way. The ending has the perfect amount of closure imo.
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May 11, 2020 02:35
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mind the walrus posted:I'm dimly optimistic because 20 years is enough time for people to think of some new concept and follow through, but I refuse to buy that the sequels were that uncharted when they go out of their way to introduce monsters and then do nothing. I am going to die mad about that. Oh, I don't mean 'uncharted' as in 'they had no plans', I mean 'uncharted' as in 'nobody's been out here before'. You can't say the Matrix sequels were a failed attempt at X Existing Successful Thing, they were trying to make something unique that hadn't been made before. And I respect that a hell of a lot.
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May 11, 2020 02:38
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I do not respect the rave scene.
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May 11, 2020 02:43
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One part of the Matrix that holds up really well is 1999 being the peak of human civilization.
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May 11, 2020 02:45
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Cleretic posted:Oh, I don't mean 'uncharted' as in 'they had no plans', I mean 'uncharted' as in 'nobody's been out here before'. You can't say the Matrix sequels were a failed attempt at X Existing Successful Thing, they were trying to make something unique that hadn't been made before. And I respect that a hell of a lot. christmas boots posted:The Matrix didn't need any sequels and it should have stayed that way. The ending has the perfect amount of closure imo.
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May 11, 2020 02:48
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I just watched the made for TV movie Body Bags by John Carpenter, and the first two shorts are pretty good campy horror, and then half way though the third one BAM! full P in V scene featuring Mark Hamill bare assed and balls deep in Twiggy.
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May 11, 2020 03:26
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hawowanlawow posted:I just watched the made for TV movie Body Bags by John Carpenter, and the first two shorts are pretty good campy horror, and then half way though the third one BAM! full P in V scene featuring Mark Hamill bare assed and balls deep in Twiggy. Amazing parental warning for it on imdb: 
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May 11, 2020 03:31
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Fun fact: the title “body bags” is referring to mark hamills testicles
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May 11, 2020 03:33
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Tori Amos can gently caress off as well.
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Disgusting Coward posted:Tori Amos can gently caress off as well. What did she do?
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May 11, 2020 03:52
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Absurd Alhazred posted:What did she do? She knows what she did
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May 11, 2020 04:08
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mind the walrus posted:That's what I mean. I don't think they were ambitious as much as "Well we need something and we only have two years to do it or else we don't get another dump truck full of money." It was uncharted because no one goes out that way for a reason. The only truly consistent idea seemed to be adding "more" was the call-- more video game tie-ins, more animation tie-ins, more CGI pushing-- but at no point does it feel like they had a story to tell. It seems like the purpose of the sequels was to move the idea past an adolescent empowerment fantasy. Instead of just getting to being the unique special person who knows its all bullshit maaaan, how do you move forward to break the cycles of oppression to create something new? That's ultimately why it ends with Neo rejecting Smith's nihilism to create the opportunity to hope for the future. Things actually working out is obviously tenuous and uncertain but its hope. If anything, the thing that has aged the worst about the sequels is having the whole thing culminate in rejecting nihilism.
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May 11, 2020 04:15
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Shiroc posted:It seems like the purpose of the sequels was to move the idea past an adolescent empowerment fantasy. Instead of just getting to being the unique special person who knows its all bullshit maaaan, how do you move forward to break the cycles of oppression to create something new? That's ultimately why it ends with Neo rejecting Smith's nihilism to create the opportunity to hope for the future. Things actually working out is obviously tenuous and uncertain but its hope. Very few movie universes feel "done" the way the first Matrix feels "done." The main character unlocked God Mode, taps on the fourth wall, and flies into the camera. You really get the feeling the filmmakers put everything they had into it, which is why the second two really do have that hangover vibe. "I don't know, maybe there's like... a key-guy? And a rogue program who lives there? Yeah and like a rave to show how everyone is totally connected to the earth. Yeah total rave. That's gonna play really well in 2003 and not feel dated at all. Oh and Smith like... there's a copy, and a copy and a copy. That's brilliant."
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mind the walrus posted:I saw it for a 20th Anniversary screening (gently caress we're old) last year and it still plays really well on a big screen. Like yeah it's silly but I mean, so is most popular action stuff, and they don't have the benefit of being a very obvious trans narrative with hindsight. Yeah. Some of his lines and nonfighty scenes in John Wick 2+3 are incredibly poorly performed. He’s not a good actor by any stretch, even if he’s a great performer in a few select areas.
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