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Yeah, Valentine is an example of a guy who apparently had much more personality in the territories. He had a gimmick built around being a sadistic shooter heel that played off of Wahoo McDaniel getting injured in a match with him. This was when the figure four leglock was considered an exotic dangerous move and not a visual reference to old school rasslin.
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Yeah, he always felt more like an NWA guy who somehow got lost and ended up in Stamford
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May 11, 2020 16:05
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Ronnie Garvin is loving amazing, Greg Valentine is Ric Flair's older angry lesbian sister.
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May 11, 2020 16:07
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Yeah Valentine had a weird WWF run Feuded with Garvin over a leg brace (not a joke, one of them started using it to gain a bit of leverage on their Figure 4 and the other one copied it and they they fought a lot) Had a gimmick where the announcers put over that he was a slow starter and would take 10 minutes to get warmed up in a match while the face beat his rear end all over ringside Rhythm and Blues with Honky which he mailed in completely because he fuckin hated it
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May 11, 2020 16:08
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Garvin winding up and stomping on someone's face managed to be one of the most brutal looking finishers in WWF. Greg Valentine looked just like Anne Ramsey and I'm still not convinced they weren't the same person
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May 11, 2020 17:30
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Critical posted:Yeah Valentine had a weird WWF run The upshot is the match they had at, I wanna say Royal Rumble, is the good kind of stiff-fest where they just light each other up with hard shots, it's a good match
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May 11, 2020 17:36
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Halloween Jack posted:Yeah, Valentine is an example of a guy who apparently had much more personality in the territories. He had a gimmick built around being a sadistic shooter heel that played off of Wahoo McDaniel getting injured in a match with him. This was when the figure four leglock was considered an exotic dangerous move and not a visual reference to old school rasslin. Oh, sure, but I never saw his non-WWF stuff - just his odd WWF run. I realize that creates a more narrow view, which isn't really fair - but my impression of him has always been 'goofy looking guy who just hangs around and will be your tag team friend'.
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May 11, 2020 18:03
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Red posted:he was the Billy Gunn of his day - an above average worker I'm not a Valentine fan, but he was worth two or three of Billy Gunn as a worker.
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Halloween Jack posted:Yeah, Valentine is an example of a guy who apparently had much more personality in the territories. He had a gimmick built around being a sadistic shooter heel that played off of Wahoo McDaniel getting injured in a match with him. This was when the figure four leglock was considered an exotic dangerous move and not a visual reference to old school rasslin. And "I Broke Wahoo's Leg" is an all-time great wrestling shirt, right up there with "Dusty Sucks Eggs"
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May 11, 2020 18:09
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Did face Stone Cold Steve Austin ever lose matches clean when he was in his prime? He passed out in a submission and I can't remember the details of his big three matches with The Rock.
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Red posted:For me, there are exactly two: Ron Garvin and Greg Valentine. If you watched them prior to their WWF runs, you wouldn't be asking this.
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May 11, 2020 18:42
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forkboy84 posted:And "I Broke Wahoo's Leg" is an all-time great wrestling shirt, right up there with "Dusty Sucks Eggs" Wrestling heels printing their own shirts that are just plain text is always good  
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Did face Stone Cold Steve Austin ever lose matches clean when he was in his prime? He passed out in a submission and I can't remember the details of his big three matches with The Rock. Wrestlemania 13: Passed out in the Sharpshooter IYH A Cold Day in Hell: Undertaker pins him with a Tombstone [wins title at WM14] IYH Unforgiven: Loses by DQ to Dude Love in a clusterfuck of interference by the proto-Corporation King of the Ring 1998: Accidentally busted open by Undertaker (who may or may not have been in cahoots with Kane) to lose a First Blood match IYH Fully Loaded: Double-pinned by Kane and Undertaker (who may or not be in cahoots) in a three way match that turns into a handicap match Over the Edge 1999: Pinned by the Undertaker after copious interference, a roll-up and fast count from Shane McMahon Summerslam 1999: Mankind pinned Austin clean after a double arm DDT No Mercy 1999: Triple H pins Austin in a no-DQ match after Rock accidentally nails Austin with a chair No Way Out 2001: Triple H basically passes out on top of Austin's carcass to win the third fall [Austin turns heel at WM17] No Way Out 2002: Jericho pins Austin after a low blow, belt shot, run-in by Hogan/Hall/Nash to attack Austin Backlash 2002: Undertaker pins Austin after special referee Ric Flair (who may or may not have been in cahoots with Undertaker) misses some chairshots and Austin's foot on the ropes [Austin leaves the company after he complains about creative and in response to being criticized they asked him to job to Brock Lesnar with no notice in a KOTR qualifying match on Raw] Wrestlemania 19: The Rock pins Austin cleanly after three Rock Bottoms So out of that entire list of PPVs (I didn't bother checking Raw/Smackdown) the clean losses basically amount to the match where he turned face, the title match a month or so later, technically that Undertaker/Kane match, the weird Summerslam workaround to keep Jesse Ventura from raising a heel's hand, and his retirement match.
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saffi faildotter posted:Wrestling heels printing their own shirts that are just plain text is always good It's hilarious how much better these basic rear end shirts are than 95% of the shirts WWE put out.
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Which PPV was it where Undertaker and Kane were forced to face one another while Austin was the ref? I specifically remember a loving hilarious bit where Austin picks up a bunch of cable wire and then mimes wrapping it around his neck as a suggestion for what Taker could do to Kane.
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saffi faildotter posted:Wrestling heels printing their own shirts that are just plain text is always good savage looks like a murderer in this pic
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Edge & Christian posted:From Wrestlemania 13 onward, here are Steve Austin PPV losses: In PPVs, only to HHH, Mankind, and The Rock. That's more than I expected but the people he lost to don't surprise me at all. I'd be even more surprised if he lost clean on a Raw or Smackdown. Thanks for doing the dirty work!
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Admiral Joeslop posted:In PPVs, only to HHH, Mankind, and The Rock. That's more than I expected but the people he lost to don't surprise me at all. I'd be even more surprised if he lost clean on a Raw or Smackdown. Thanks for doing the dirty work! I completely blanked on what the Mankind loss was, and had to look it up - it's the Triple Threat, along with Helmsley, where Jesse Ventura refereed.
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Havoc904 posted:I was talking with my brother yesterday, currently, is there any other finishing move as protected as the One Winged Angel? Or even close to it? The Judas Effect.
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I've seen the Judas Effect get kicked out of like 15x since AEW started... in the WWE
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Havoc904 posted:I was talking with my brother yesterday, currently, is there any other finishing move as protected as the One Winged Angel? Or even close to it? Mox always protects his finishes.
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Red posted:
 Pretty generic. What kid picked yourself when you could be Rick Rude? He could do the Rude Awakening,
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A question that might be best revisited every month: who are wrestlers who are actually making out well BECAUSE of the pandemic? Off the top of my head: - Braun Strowman: Got defaulted into being champ just because Goldberg didn't want to stick around and Roman valued his health. - Austin Theory: I haven't watched WWE in a year outside of Rumble, but from what I understand, he was an obscure NXT name who lucked into being on the main roster. He hasn't done anything major, but he has a bigger spotlight than he would have otherwise. - Sugar Dunkerton: Indie wrestler who got called in to show up to the month's worth of AEW tapings for the sake of jobbing. Just by being in the makeshift crowd, he was randomly called out by commentator Chris Jericho with a silly nickname "Pineapple Pete," which practically became his new identity. Now they're going to have a match and that might lead to him being a full-on member of the roster.
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Austin Theory wasn't even an obscure NXT name, wasn't he pretty much PROGRESS? If he had any NXT appearances it was only 1 or 2 losses, wasn't it? e: err EVOLVE I got my all caps word promotions mixed up spongeh fucked around with this message at 02:33 on May 12, 2020 |
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Austin Theory went from working for Gave at Evolve to WrestleMania in basically five months. edit: Five months, he dropped his Gabe Belt in November of last year. karmicknight fucked around with this message at 02:34 on May 12, 2020 |
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Brendan Vink, who I'm still not sure is a real name, getting actual TV time certainly counts
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Benne posted:Brendan Vink, who I'm still not sure is a real name, getting actual TV time certainly counts Sounds like a real nutbag.
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I continue to be amazed the fed fired one half of the stand out tag team in the TMDK, only to scrape around the performance center until they found one of the other members to give to Shane Haste as a tag team partner.
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karmicknight posted:I continue to be amazed the fed fired one half of the stand out tag team in the TMDK, only to scrape around the performance center until they found one of the other members to give to Shane Haste as a tag team partner. Didn't he request his release?
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I thought after the "he requested his release" was reported he disputed that somewhere, but I don't quite know where, maybe his twitter at the time?
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I feel like kip sabian is getting more TV time than he might have in other circumstances. Not that I'm complaining.
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The Garvin-Valentine feud was awesome. Some of the angles are a little goofy (like the magic shin guards), but the matches are fantastic and Garvin being retired by Valentine only to torment him as a troubleshooting referee was a fun idea. Plus the real-life backstory (Garvin, seeing himself entering purgatory, pitched the whole feud, angle by angle, for himself and kindred spirit Valentine, and Vince loved it.) If you want to really see what Valentine can do: * The easiest way is the Piper feud from Crockett. All of the big beats should be available on the 1983 episodes of Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling on WWE Network, plus there's an INCREDIBLE house show match in Hidden Gems and the legendary dog collar match blowoff was at Starrcade '83. * He wasn't ALL lost in the WWF outside of the Garvin feud. The Tito Santana feud is fantastic, as is his MSG title IC defense against Steamboat. He also shows a lot more personality earlier in his run, as a pushed guy/IC champion. Not just doing the same character he had done before, but also stuff like the TNT segment where his wife gives him a massage. * There are multiple versions of him breaking Wahoo's leg (NOT with the figure four) on YouTube. Start there.
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It’s important to call the magic shin guards by their proper name: The Hammer Jammer
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purkey posted:It’s important to call the magic shin guards by their proper name: The Hammer Jammer
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Austin Theory is a weird one because like... in 2019, he was just the Young Blue Chip Champ of Evolve and (in Evolve) had matches where he beat Darby Allin, John Silver, Kyle O'Reilly, Nate Webb, Orange Cassidy, AR Fox, etc. He may have lost the matches, but he also had main event competitive matches in Evolve with Cole, Strong, and Gargano. Then in 2020 he's in NXT and goes 50-50 (beating DJ Z and Swerve Scott, losing to Tyler Breeze and Tomasso Ciampa on TV) and then gets called up to Raw because Andrade got hurt and proceeds to be on the losing side of tag matches on the Raw before Mania, Wrestlemania itself, and the Raw After Mania. Then he beats Akira Tozawa and Shane Thorne on Main Event. Then he loses to Aleister Black in a Money in the Bank qualifier, then loses another tag team match, then loses in the gauntlet match, and tonight gets kicked in the face while his stablemates laughed. So it's definitely more exposure, but is it actually better to be a fourth wheel in a loser heel stable on empty arena Raws as opposed to the young guy Evolve was being built around?
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Austin Theory was another one of those industry plants so the call up to be just another body is in theory not good for him, but it's how everyone ends up so it doesn't matter if they maybe had bigger plans for him.
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Just chiming in: I loved that Valentine/Garvin feud at the time, it felt like they beat the poo poo out of each other.
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I never thought of Garvin as having been the Yourself in Wrestlemania Challenge, but I definitely got some Garvin vibes from the ref in Royal Rumble
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