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Cornuto posted:I kind of feel like we shouldn't bother doing a big debrief with Ishamal. Or at the very least just handle it as an info dump and leave without asking for sage advice or question time. I assume he knows everything that went on already and won't comment on any of it. It feels like every interaction with ishamal he moves our relationship to be more and more arm's length and transactional. I'd rather just reciprocate than getting frustrated over it like we usually do. I'd rather just ask him if there's anything in particular that we definitely can't discuss with tudiya.
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super sweet best pal posted:We should really reestablish relations with Indor or at least Puabi. We should marry Puabi. Those ships have sailed. And returned. And sailed again. Repeatedly until they were decommissioned and torn apart for scrap.
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May 11, 2020 18:04
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Cornuto posted:I kind of feel like we shouldn't bother doing a big debrief with Ishamal. Or at the very least just handle it as an info dump and leave without asking for sage advice or question time. I assume he knows everything that went on already and won't comment on any of it. It feels like every interaction with ishamal he moves our relationship to be more and more arm's length and transactional. I'd rather just reciprocate than getting frustrated over it like we usually do. Except he's slowly telling us more and more? like when he told us about what happened when we tried stargazing and accidentally glimpsed a possible future or that he wont tell us about our potential powers because we might use them accidentally in our sleep, or the "burning a forest" metaphor. He's just not going to tell us about the state of the world, or history, which... we already know he wont.
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May 11, 2020 18:05
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Cornuto posted:I kind of feel like we shouldn't bother doing a big debrief with Ishamal. Or at the very least just handle it as an info dump and leave without asking for sage advice or question time. I assume he knows everything that went on already and won't comment on any of it. It feels like every interaction with ishamal he moves our relationship to be more and more arm's length and transactional. I'd rather just reciprocate than getting frustrated over it like we usually do. Voting we don't even go see him. I'm sick of the 'run to papi ish and beg for information while he sips his beer' shtick. He's retired and we have a city to run. If he wants to shoot the poo poo he can come find us.
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May 11, 2020 18:15
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I think there's probably some value in running a few things past him, but not a huge amount of it. We know not to upset the general order of the world. We should probably keep our experience at "Badad" relatively secret, most people don't need to know that stuff. But stuff like "yeah you should definitely return those lightbulbs to Nikall otherwise we're going to have a big problem" is worth knowing.
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Cornuto posted:I kind of feel like we shouldn't bother doing a big debrief with Ishamal. Or at the very least just handle it as an info dump and leave without asking for sage advice or question time. I assume he knows everything that went on already and won't comment on any of it. It feels like every interaction with ishamal he moves our relationship to be more and more arm's length and transactional. I'd rather just reciprocate than getting frustrated over it like we usually do. Let's do a fun prank on Ish. We pretend we don't know who he is for a while.
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May 11, 2020 19:20
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Tsyni posted:Let's do a fun prank on Ish. We pretend we don't know who he is for a while.
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May 11, 2020 19:45
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CloFan posted:A friend sent a link to this thread in January, and I've been reading ever since. Finally caught up on all 500+ pages of Diog's posts! What an adventure, I'm glad Enki isn't dead yet so I can vote. Oh man I've been waiting for this post. Welcome to the hive of squirrels piloting Enkidel. I'll overlook the heresy since you're new here
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May 11, 2020 20:07
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. Chait is whatever, we're going to Seir in a few years (right??) it was just dumb since we could have literally said nothing and it would have ben fine because we didn't kill the woman.
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TheCog posted:Except he's slowly telling us more and more? like when he told us about what happened when we tried stargazing and accidentally glimpsed a possible future or that he wont tell us about our potential powers because we might use them accidentally in our sleep, or the "burning a forest" metaphor. He's just not going to tell us about the state of the world, or history, which... we already know he wont. The only thing I wanna ask about is the weird dreams we've been having, since this stuff can make us go crazy and maybe it means something for our training.
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May 11, 2020 20:18
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There’s never any downside to chillin with Ish besides angsty teen posters getting upset that we have a mentor
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Is Ishamal the only person we can talk about Every-strike with, or was I misremembering? We should visit Ishamal and talk only about forging.
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Butt Discussin posted:Is Ishamal the only person we can talk about Every-strike with, or was I misremembering? We should visit Ishamal and talk only about forging. I honestly can't remember. I thought Everstrike was strictly between Enkidel, Everstrike, and Melachim, but I'm nowhere near certain
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May 11, 2020 21:57
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Hopefully Every-strike likes to use monster bits as ingredients so we can really get back to our roots. Danal's turtle armor was rad.
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May 11, 2020 22:00
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SniperWoreConverse posted:The mask is the face. What makes you think this? We have amble evidence that El did not exist at some point in the past (whether that means El never existed or was gone for a period is unclear) and pretty much everyone with super divine sense has either told us "El is a fraud" or "I won't tell you about this because you can't handle the truth" or "ask a priest who will tell you the approved lie." There's also evidence despite the party line about how El made demons so people could heroically fight them, that El is not all that mighty or huge compared to his rivals. My thoughts: This El is not the creator, is not all-powerful, and is constantly spinning lies to maintain a fragile front. If El is trying to impersonate the creator to anyone but mortals they are doing an incredibly lovely job of it, since no one buys it besides Amos and he's a huge sucker. There was a creator. Creator hosed off. There were bad times. A collection of ideologically aligned Gods decided it was time to fix things on their own by creating artificial monotheism. Since belief has power Planescape Torment style, they hope that when the majority of people believe in El as the One True God there will be a new world order. They rescued some demon-slaves that didn't know anything, empowered one of them to be their prophet and started their physical and ideological conquest. Ea is a trickster and came up with a truly grand trick. He's trying to make the whole world believe, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that he is the only God.
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May 11, 2020 22:14
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the_steve posted:I honestly can't remember. I thought Everstrike was strictly between Enkidel, Everstrike, and Melachim, but I'm nowhere near certain ES asked Enkidel if Ish was his mentor, did some calculations, then determined that Enk could in fact speak about ES with him. Mr. Prokosch posted:What makes you think this? We have amble evidence that El did not exist at some point in the past (whether that means El never existed or was gone for a period is unclear) and pretty much everyone with super divine sense has either told us "El is a fraud" or "I won't tell you about this because you can't handle the truth" or "ask a priest who will tell you the approved lie." There's also evidence despite the party line about how El made demons so people could heroically fight them, that El is not all that mighty or huge compared to his rivals. lol. That's a ton of assumptions from specious sources, compared to what Enkidel has experienced himself hmm yes, this Sex Grandma with an agenda is the source of truth we should listen to. In case you forgot, that's where the entire Ea concept came from. I don't think anyone is arguing that El is definitively the god above all, but he's absolutely real and powerful, and seems to be the 'best' divine source of power that Enkidel has run into over his 100 years of life. edit: what evidence has there been that El wasn't around? Even in Carine Tower there was a massive section devoted to the Big Blue Ball Victis fucked around with this message at 22:29 on May 11, 2020 |
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There’s a dissonance between the Pantokrator and El/Ea mythos. Amok says that the Pantokrator didn’t care and hosed off and didn’t know what El/Har was. Plus when we said we serve El he said ‘Yeah. Which one?’ implying that El is just the word God so who it actually is among the powers is yet to be determined. The truth is ironically probably somewhere in the middle.
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May 11, 2020 22:47
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IMO Sniper is correct for denying essence in favor of appearance.
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May 11, 2020 22:59
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Yep, Amok had no reason to lie, he didn't give a poo poo and had no dog in the fight. He looked over at Mt. Har and very quickly gave us a bunch of honest information 1. It's new to him. 2. It's strong but not infinitely strong 3. He could fight it but it wouldn't be worth the cost I thought the Ea stuff comes from the Objectively Right Malachim Worshippers the we murdered as well as Grandma? Everyone we've talked to has had a different creation myth, usually with their own God on top. Why do we give primacy to the El version when we have solid evidence that the House of El is full of poo poo?
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I’m surprised by the number of folks that seem to buy into the Kadmonim’s El is actually Ea story. It just seems so blatantly the sort of talk you would use to denigrate another group’s beliefs. “Not only do you worship a false god, but your false god is actually one of our gods. We’re the superior culture with the true religion blah blah blah. “ Maybe I’m misinterpreting what’s been said, though. Maybe the El/Ea talk is less literally about the Kadmonim telling and more about some being pretending to be the creator.
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the_steve posted:I honestly can't remember. I thought Everstrike was strictly between Enkidel, Everstrike, and Melachim, but I'm nowhere near certain We can talk about Everystrike with Ish and Snarls, but that's it as far as non-melachim. The much trickier bit is how to leak the things we learn to the general smithing public without looking like we're literally talking to a divinely gifted hammer. Adina can't know about Everystrike, for instance, and trying to explain our sudden improvement is going to hinge pretty carefully on some advice from ES as well as leaning very heavily on our epiphany while running across Ur, with a heaping helping of "I learned a crazy secret from this old dude I met in Karnak/Khasis/Carine/Whichever is least likely for you to visit." Mr. Prokosch posted:What makes you think this? We have amble evidence that El did not exist at some point in the past (whether that means El never existed or was gone for a period is unclear) and pretty much everyone with super divine sense has either told us "El is a fraud" or "I won't tell you about this because you can't handle the truth" or "ask a priest who will tell you the approved lie." There's also evidence despite the party line about how El made demons so people could heroically fight them, that El is not all that mighty or huge compared to his rivals. El is just the OG fella, come back after things went to poo poo. Initially he makes melachim, the world, men, whatever. Melachim get horny and have children with men, nephilim ruin everything and the world goes to poo poo. El says gently caress this and goes to the store for some smokes, never to return. Everything is now poo poo, and gets worse for a while. Eventually Smythos and pals either clean up the ashes and remake humanity, or salvage what little bit of the world they could and try to maintain some semblance of order. But they really want El to come back, so they do their best to get daddy to come home, and he does. But he's always like six inches from the door now, ready to gently caress off, so they need to maintain an iron grip on stuff so that no one steps out of line or he's going right back into the void and abandoning them again. The funny part is that El is actually ok with a bunch of stuff that they don't realize or don't want to risk, which is why he is chill with most of Enkidel's behavior despite it being counter to Urian values. So the church has taken a super restrictive, hard line interpretation on stuff to remain as inoffensive as possible, and that leads to the disconnect between what the church says and what El says directly to Enkidel. Olothreutes fucked around with this message at 23:10 on May 11, 2020 |
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Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I48hr8HhDv0&t=51s for a record of why we're missing some rules since the time of Orb
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Victis posted:There’s never any downside to chillin with Ish besides angsty teen posters getting upset that we have a mentor  It's definitely super frustrating to have to deal with "I'll tell you when you're older" / "takes a sip" but he's probably oath bound not to gently caress up our training.
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Olothreutes posted:We can talk about Everystrike with Ish and Snarls, but that's it as far as non-melachim. The much trickier bit is how to leak the things we learn to the general smithing public without looking like we're literally talking to a divinely gifted hammer. Adina can't know about Everystrike, for instance, and trying to explain our sudden improvement is going to hinge pretty carefully on some advice from ES as well as leaning very heavily on our epiphany while running across Ur, with a heaping helping of "I learned a crazy secret from this old dude I met in Karnak/Khasis/Carine/Whichever is least likely for you to visit." Nah, spreading knowledge will be the easy part. We're heavily Blooded and clearly favored by El, obviously El just chose to bestow some good forge knowledge on us. Itll be an easier sell if our first 'big' discoveries involve Blooded Bronze, but otherwise yeah, there will be minimum difficulty. Especially since without Samson to poo poo all over our parade, I don't think there are any blacksmiths good enough to call us out on our technique.
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We also have the benefit of going to very blooded cities with legacies of master blacksmithing, we can plausibly say that we just managed to pick up a few tricks they didn't even think was worth guarding jealously since obviously everyone knows about them.
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Volmarias posted:We also have the benefit of going to very blooded cities with legacies of master blacksmithing, we can plausibly say that we just managed to pick up a few tricks they didn't even think was worth guarding jealously since obviously everyone knows about them. We can slant-lie. We gained access to a wealth of forging advice that's still on us to capitalize on, that we're sworn to secrecy about, but which are all El-approved.
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CainsDescendant posted:Oh man I've been waiting for this post. Welcome to the hive of squirrels piloting Enkidel. I'll overlook the heresy since you're new here  Thanks for the theology lessons, I can see I have much to learn!
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We should convert the Puabi and any future witches to EL Enkidel worship so they get ??? from enkidel and more importantly get the balls the xcom equivalent of a science/engineering team. Ball kill something cool. Witch makes thing from it and gives it to the ball to go kill something and the cycle continues.
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Next update tomorrow or Wednesday, sorry for the wait folks, thank you for your patience.
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Can imagine the shoptalk from when the SnullsPissDrink Stein was made? People are making steins of ugly kids and band logos and then that shows up? New Wrongvoter, definitely go back and re-read the entire thread post-reboot, at least checking pages for highlights as you skip along. There's a lot of good times with artwork, secret Santas, minigames, theorycrafting, and other fun times you won't find elsewhere. Plus it'll get you a better idea of the political landscape as it were so you can properly waste your vote.
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Volmarias posted:We also have the benefit of going to very blooded cities with legacies of master blacksmithing, we can plausibly say that we just managed to pick up a few tricks they didn't even think was worth guarding jealously since obviously everyone knows about them. We can even tell the truth. “It’s just something I picked up around Karnak.“
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Blasphemaster posted:New Wrongvoter, definitely go back and re-read the entire thread post-reboot, at least checking pages for highlights as you skip along. There's a lot of good times with artwork, secret Santas, minigames, theorycrafting, and other fun times you won't find elsewhere. Plus it'll get you a better idea of the political landscape as it were so you can properly waste your vote. This is good advice. There are so many great pieces of art that have been
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I'd be very careful about going back and reading 3,000 pages of this madness, the signal to noise ratio is real low and reading argument #792 on the same topic is kinda like reading the Necronomicon.
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Bonemonkey did a lot of cool art. Swedishthaumacracy has also done some spectacular work. There probably should be a fan art post and a mini-cyoa post. This game has gone on for a long time.
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Schwza posted:Bonemonkey did a lot of cool art. Swedishthaumacracy has also done some spectacular work. There probably should be a fan art post and a mini-cyoa post. This game has gone on for a long time. 7 years as of next Monday!
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There Bias Two posted:7 years as of next Monday! I don't want to think about this. What an insane endeavour, diog. I salute you.
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There Bias Two posted:7 years as of next Monday! gently caress me
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There Bias Two posted:7 years as of next Monday! And somewhere out there...Sojenous is still falling.
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There Bias Two posted:7 years as of next Monday! I'm on my third kid... Jesus Christ.
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Crazycryodude posted:I'd be very careful about going back and reading 3,000 pages of this madness, the signal to noise ratio is real low and reading argument #792 on the same topic is kinda like reading the Necronomicon. 90% of my contributions are low content shitposts so just read them if you want the McDonalds version of Paradise Lost thread lite. I originally supported Ish and even went through a hunger phase so you get a bit of everything. e: 127 pages, or around 6350 shitposts.
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