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Havoc904 posted:I was talking with my brother yesterday, currently, is there any other finishing move as protected as the One Winged Angel? Or even close to it? Aleister Black's spin kick is very protected. I can only recall Lars Sullivan kicking out of it. Even if it didn't hit.
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How is everyone finding empty arena wrestling? I ask because after putting it off for a month I'm getting into my NOAH backlog and have watched the first 2 "episodes" (shows just have 2 tournament matches on them, nothing more) of the Global Tag League and despite the matches featuring some wrestlers I love to watch there is a reason I've kept putting this off. I'm just not feeling wrestling with no crowd on the whole. There's been some really fun stuff obviously, people liked the Boneyard, the Shiozaki vs Fujita weirdness was the sort of thing you couldn't do with a live audience. And some companies at least have some people ringside making a bit of noise, like AEW and Dragongate, which is definitely better than the lifeless shows with no one to react to. Seeing El Hijo de Dr Wagner Jr playing to a crowd that's not there is just a bit shite really, and brings home how crappy this lockdown is. So how do you feel about it? Do you think it is even possible to have a regular Match of the Year calibre match with no one in attendance? Is there anyone you think is handling this particularly well? I've liked the atmosphere at the few shows 2AW and AJPW have run at the 2AW Dojo, it's basically a small warehouse and the acoustics are such that things just sound louder than an empty Korakuen or the place NOAH have been running
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It's turned AEW from 'must-watch' to 'maybe I'll duck out after the first hour'. Except for last week. Which was wall-to-wall awesome. But having a limited roster and a bunch of squash matches doesn't help with that.
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May 12, 2020 12:27
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I haven’t watched anything other than short clips here and there. AEW are doing the best they can especially compare to WWE but even with a few people ringside it still feels so dead and lifeless.
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May 12, 2020 13:06
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I haven't watched NXT since Portland, Smackdown I wasn't watching before and am definitely not watching now. I think I watched the first hour of Raw last night since like the second empty crowd episode. I think I'm like 3 weeks behind Dynamite, and I haven't watched Dark since they stopped running live shows. I'll probably catch up on Dynamite, but in general the idea of having to sit down and watch a TV show at a specific time was already incredibly stupid, but the empty arenas pushed it over to pretty much guarantee I won't watch any of it live. I'll use it for background noise after I run out of podcasts while working from home.
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May 12, 2020 16:51
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What if Stephanie McMahon never married HHH and hooked up with some other wrestler, like the Rock?
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Red posted:Oh, sure, but I never saw his non-WWF stuff - just his odd WWF run. I realize that creates a more narrow view, which isn't really fair - but my impression of him has always been 'goofy looking guy who just hangs around and will be your tag team friend'.
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May 12, 2020 17:45
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fatherofmustard posted:What if Stephanie McMahon never married HHH and hooked up with some other wrestler, like the Rock? It doesn't matter.
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May 12, 2020 17:54
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What if it was John Cena?
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Coaaab posted:What if it was John Cena? Nah, I just can't see it.
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i wish we lived in the world where dolph ziggler married stephanie mcmahon
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Aye Doc posted:i wish we lived in the world where dolph ziggler married stephanie mcmahon I don't.
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May 12, 2020 20:02
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Dolph Ziggler's NXT
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Halloween Jack posted:A lot of low-to-midcarders from that era had meant something to a territorial promotion that just didn't translate to the big leagues.Keeping your regional audience was importance enough that, for example, Ricky Steamboat kept his name, but if you didn't have a larger-than-life look or persona then it didn't really get the national TV audience behind you. My understanding has always been that Vince bought up stars to weaken territories so they couldn't compete with him, regardless of whether they'd make him any money. Red fucked around with this message at 22:51 on May 12, 2020 |
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May 12, 2020 22:41
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The 80s roster was weird. They had a lot of people who just couldn't work, but who were pushed because they had good personas (like the Junkyard Dog), some who were good workers but whose best days were clearly behind them, and some who were still really good and basically had to carry everyone else. Like one of the major problems of the early PPVs- notably the Wrestling Classic and Mania 2- was that it was getting difficult for WWF to cover up the fact that so many of their guys just stunk. Like the product was designed to cover up their flaws as much as possible but there was only so much they could do.
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The WWF roster in the 80s was constructed in different tiers. There were the guys Vince raided because he thought he could make money with them. Guys that came in because Vince bought out the territory and made promises to give people jobs (Which is why Bret got a job originally.) Guys who were friends of Hogan. And then there were spite hires (a lot of the old AWA guys Vince was hiring just for the hell of it.) Plus the muscle dudes or generally big guys Vince loved.
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on WWE-speak: Are there reasons for the phrases that they use instead of speaking like normal people? I am most interested in the words that are forbidden. I am talking about "Championship" instead of "Belt", Medical Facility" instead of "Hospital", "WWE Universe" instead of "fans". "the situation in the world today" instead of "COVID-19, or virus", "Superstar" instead of "wrestler" etc. I know that these can all be explained away by :vinceflex:, and senile brain worms. But do any of them have specific origins? For Example I can understand WWE Universe, coz that is weasel corporate speak that promotes the brand etc. But a lot of theothers seem like the whims of a carazy old man, and also they change seemingly without rhyme or reason.
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I remember reading that Vince does hate some words because they don't sound right to him.
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May 13, 2020 02:45
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The Local Medical Facility vs Hospital thing is apparently because in the past people could call the hospital closest to their venue to ask about the condition of "injured" wrestlers so they intentionally use weird words to prevent them from doing that - how true that is I don't know. Some of it is Vince having a hatred of certain words that he associates with old wrestling which he thinks is uncultured and that he tries to disassociate WWE with; some like you say is for branding. That's why its "WWE Superstars" and not wrestlers; lets Vince pretend that he's not a wrestling promoter while also plugging the brand.
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At some point I think that stuff is just a matter of control. We say WWE has a cult atmosphere to it and like part of cult conditioning is stuff like that. Just getting people to accept that X is Y because they're told and don't question or fight it. Cult mentality. Chain of command. Respecting authority. Gaslighting. Hazing. Whatever. Its about conditioning people to get used to falling in line. The more you do it in small, insignificant ways like "don't call them belts" the more people just laugh and go "ok" and internalize going along with it.
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May 13, 2020 02:52
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At least with "belt" it's kind of understandable that you'd want the main macguffin all these people are fighting over to be treated with some amount of prestige, so you make sure to call it a "Championship." I don't agree with that and I don't think anybody gives a poo poo either way because it's still a loving belt, Vince, but I at least understand it. The rest of that poo poo is absolutely insane though. Wasn't it last year they did a tag title/#1 contender tournament and Vince randomly decided he didn't like the word "tournament" that month so he told everybody to call it a "Tag Team Eliminator?" Which is something nobody has ever said in the history of anything?
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May 13, 2020 03:41
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There are a LOT of people on Youtube that do the "ongoing global situation" instead of saying virus or pandemic so that seem widespread.
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May 13, 2020 04:00
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Someone on YouTube said that if you talk about the virus openly, your video gets demonetized or possibly removed. I don't know if that changed or is really the case but that would align with so many of them saying dumb poo poo
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One of the retro computing channels I follow had to stop calling his series "COVID diaries" because they were getting demonetized, even though they had nothing to do with talking about corona or anything related to it, besides the time period it is happening during. Probably dumb but I guess given all the conspiracy bullshit on YouTube maybe it's not unwarranted.
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It's only been within the last week or two that advertisements on Hulu for insurance, car companies, etc are actually saying "COVID-19" or "pandemic" instead of "with everything going on in the world today"
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Calling the fans "The WWE Universe" isn't bad in and of itself. It's no different than referring to Pittsburgh Steelers fans as the Steeler Nation. It's just that WWE overdoes it and uses the term every time they refer to the crowd.
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Yeah, it's irritating that they have to use an eleven-syllable phrase every time "crowd" or "fans" would work just fine.
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WWE is full of cargo cult corporate strategies and policies. The use of almost branded terminology, an unnecessary dress code, the very formal chain of command, and the arbitrary disciplining of personnel for perceived slights or "inappropriate" behavior, like not showing the right amount of respect or whatever, are all corporate_america.txt.
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I appreciate that Corey Graves will, without fail, whenever Alexa or Charlotte comes out, say the words “the goddess” or “the queen” immediately every single time
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Someone wrote or posted an article in last month's thread about WWE giving the Mayor of Los Angeles' office a press release draft for SummerSlam that was dripping with WWE buzzwords and corporate speak, and the Mayor's office came right back with "we're not saying this poo poo."
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Take the housing market into a nosedive! Ho Kogan!
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What're your favorite Dusty Finishes?
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I mean they're all terrible on principle, but Jericho beating Triple H for the title was great until they walked it back
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fatherofmustard posted:What if Stephanie McMahon never married HHH and hooked up with some other wrestler, like the Rock?
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Red posted:What're your favorite Dusty Finishes? Bionic Elbow 
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TriffTshngo posted:At least with "belt" it's kind of understandable that you'd want the main macguffin all these people are fighting over to be treated with some amount of prestige, so you make sure to call it a "Championship." I don't agree with that and I don't think anybody gives a poo poo either way because it's still a loving belt, Vince, but I at least understand it. The funny thing is, with their booking, WWE titles are probably about as prestigious as an off the rack belt you'd buy at Target nowadays.
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DeathChicken posted:I mean they're all terrible on principle, but Jericho beating Triple H for the title was great until they walked it back I agree, but there has to be at least a few that are great. I think the finish to the Bret/Shawn Iron Man Match would've been tremendous had they been able to follow up on it properly instead of having Bret sit out for over 7 months (and not face Shawn again for a year after that).
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Kennel posted:Bionic Elbow Don't make me get a mod!
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Red posted:I agree, but there has to be at least a few that are great. During the match when Ricky Steamboat beat Ric Flair for the NWA World Heavyweight title, the original ref, Tommy Young, took a ref bump, during which Steamboat backdropped Flair over the top rope (an automatic DQ in the NWA). Teddy Long, the second ref, came to the ring to count the pin declaring Steamboat the winner. Young then recovered and got to his feet. The crowd was expecting Young to DQ Steamboat for the backdrop, as they had seen that finish MANY times before. Instead, Young held up Steamboat's hand in victory.
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