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ewiley posted:Wait, are you actually saying the Obama whitehouse’s intel investigations were bogus or just summarizing what Trump is blathering about? Per this ABC story, unmasking requests are permitted to enlighten the inquiry if required and requested by senior intel officials. He thinks unmasking is scandalous.
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BTW speaking of people getting mysterious Trump campaign texts and emails, every day I'm freshly floored to see that this whole charade is little more than a merchandising campaign for Trump and his cronies
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Data Graham posted:BTW speaking of people getting mysterious Trump campaign texts and emails, every day I'm freshly floored to see that this whole charade is little more than a merchandising campaign for Trump and his cronies The optics of a "Trump Army" are marvelous too.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1260185030967676928 Lol they told him no already. Different factory - the one that makes the PPE is in Marcus Hook, PA. Still, let's definitely not forgot that a PPE factory did not want the president to come for genuine concerns of contamination. From the president.
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Don't mock, Mnoba likes his new hat.
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pacerhimself posted:He thinks unmasking is scandalous. I mean, unmasking is a pretty big deal, it's not really illegal but I'd argue it is a violation of rights we shouldn't completely ignore just because it happened to a bad person
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Mnoba posted:house intel oops The AG should not be directing these investigations, he’s a political appointee who is absolutely going to turn it into a political shitshow. If there was an investigation to be had it should originate in the IG or have an appointed special counsel, that’s what the IG is for. I’m still not seeing any political scandal beyond ‘that former official did some things they’re allowed to do under law but i don’t like it’.
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May 12, 2020 13:46
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Dumb ol’ bore’s Army.
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ewiley posted:The AG should not be directing these investigations, he’s a political appointee who is absolutely going to turn it into a political shitshow. If there was an investigation to be had it should originate in the IG or have an appointed special counsel, that’s what the IG is for. pretty much, it's honestly a pretty shady thing and a great example of how unchecked our intel apparatuses are that they're able to get a massive amount of power because one dude heard someone maybe did something kinda sketchy but none of that is actually illegal and it's an unchecked 'security' apparatus that the political elite have been supporting for ages so nothing's going to be done about it.
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ewiley posted:The AG should not be directing these investigations, he’s a political appointee who is absolutely going to turn it into a political shitshow. If there was an investigation to be had it should originate in the IG or have an appointed special counsel, that’s what the IG is for. This is true yes, but the choosing of well respected investigators byboth side of the isle (Durham and Jensen) negates this. If everything was above board and done by the books, then everyone has to respect that. The alternative however is pretty dire I think everyone here would agree.
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superjew posted:Dumb ol’ bore’s Army. I must admit, read another book and all, but that's the first thing that popped into my mind too.
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I also guarantee people directly appointed by Trump are abusing the very same things that he actively whines about all day.
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Data Graham posted:BTW speaking of people getting mysterious Trump campaign texts and emails, every day I'm freshly floored to see that this whole charade is little more than a merchandising campaign for Trump and his cronies You passed this information on they're gonna give you splinters with their wooden Browning M2s.
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Mnoba posted:This is true yes, but the choosing of well respected investigators byboth side of the isle (Durham and Jensen) negates this. If everything was above board and done by the books, then everyone has to respect that. No? The DOJ IG already litigated the Russia investigation, found a couple of low-level problems and that’s it. This whole bullshit OMBABMABGATE is just more distraction from actual issues. The IG and special counsel exist to side-step political appointee shenanigans, as weak as they are, without going through those Barr has total control to do whatever he wants, regardless of how ‘well respected’ the investigators are.
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I hope everyone is ready to find out how Roberts will get Trump off the hook https://twitter.com/scotusblog/status/1260193004842696704?s=21
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The President of the United States. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1260158343756341249
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ewiley posted:No? The DOJ IG already litigated the Russia investigation, found a couple of low-level problems and that’s it. This whole bullshit OMBABMABGATE is just more distraction from actual issues. Durham and co aren't investigating russiagate, they are investigating what LEAD to russiagate.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I hope everyone is ready to find out how Roberts will get Trump off the hook In a 5-4 decision....
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https://mobile.twitter.com/markets/status/1260186609191923712 Here's your reminder that deficit hawks and inflation scolds are the same people who are working towards the same goal: trapping people in poverty to avoid even a hint of erosion of their own buying power. pacerhimself posted:I also guarantee people directly appointed by Trump are abusing the very same things that he actively whines about all day.  https://mobile.twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1259955110089809921
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Mnoba posted:Durham and co aren't investigating russiagate, they are investigating what LEAD to russiagate. specifically, someone leaked flynn's calls to the wapo, the unmasking is one of the problems. The unmasking of intelligence by senior officials is common and has rules. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-did-obama-dawdle-on-russias-hacking/2017/01/12/75f878a0-d90c-11e6-9a36-1d296534b31e_story.html *edit* the unmasking is a side problem i meant so changed. Mnoba fucked around with this message at 14:26 on May 12, 2020 |
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Paracaidas posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/markets/status/1260186609191923712 Isn't inflation going down a good thing?
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Isn't inflation going down a good thing? No. Steady, controlled inflation is a good thing and is a sign of a healthy economy. The fed likes to keep it around 2%, IIRC. That chart shows inflation going negative. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_targeting Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflation KillHour fucked around with this message at 14:37 on May 12, 2020 |
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Isn't inflation going down a good thing? Monetary theory says that a constant inflation rate of roughly 2% is ideal. What it does is it allows the economy to build its contracts around a relatively reliable inflation rate. This allows things like interest rates to intelligently calculate the value of money 10 years 15 years in the future and so on. If the inflation rate drops below the expected inflation rate then it hurts people who are in debt because the debt obtained on the assumption of a 2% inflation rate ie that your dollar would be worth less 10 years or 15 years down the line. As such you paid a higher interest rate upfront because of that. An interest rate that's around 2% also tends to encourage money to continue to flow in the economy. If it's too low or even deflationary then it encourages people to save money or essentially stuff it in their mattress rather than spending it on goods and services in the economy. Since money is just a means of exchange and doesn't really have any inherent value in it stuffing it away in your mattress doesn't really improve the lives of people.
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Mnoba posted:Durham and co aren't investigating russiagate, they are investigating what LEAD to russiagate. What the gently caress is "Russiagate"? You mean the legitimate investigation into whether the President received political aid and interference from Russia (He did) that Republican led Senate Intel Committee came out and said happened? The numerous prosecutions, arrests, and cooperating witnesses from the Trump campaign? Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, etc. Seriously dude, you realize you live in an alternate reality entirely detached from our own right? Barr is a political hack at best and one of the current greatest dangers to the Republic today at his worst. Just a complete toady and demagogue on every level And if you consider Devin Nunes as some arbiter of truth then dude just go out and get some air, your brain is dying from lack of oxygen TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 15:04 on May 12, 2020 |
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Isn't inflation going down a good thing? As the tweet shows, we're clearly on the brink of that. So despite the crisis we find ourselves in, now is the time prophylactic fiscal responsibility.
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TulliusCicero posted:Seriously dude, you realize you live in an alternate reality entirely detached from our own right? yes, he is a trump-supporting republican in 2020
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Nitrousoxide posted:Monetary theory says that a constant inflation rate of roughly 2% is ideal. What it does is it allows the economy to build its contracts around a relatively reliable inflation rate. This allows things like interest rates to intelligently calculate the value of money 10 years 15 years in the future and so on. If the inflation rate drops below the expected inflation rate then it hurts people who are in debt because the debt obtained on the assumption of a 2% inflation rate ie that your dollar would be worth less 10 years or 15 years down the line. As such you paid a higher interest rate upfront because of that. An interest rate that's around 2% also tends to encourage money to continue to flow in the economy. If it's too low or even deflationary then it encourages people to save money or essentially stuff it in their mattress rather than spending it on goods and services in the economy. It also leads to poo poo like banks offering negative interest rates on savings accounts because otherwise they'll bleed money, so now nobody wants to keep their money in banks, so they bleed money anyways. It's also a bad sign because the cause of deflation is people not being willing to spend money.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Isn't inflation going down a good thing? No. At least as I read that chart, it dropped so much we currently have deflation which is insanely bad for an economy. You want, as someone pointed out, about 2% inflation per year. There are a lot of reasons for it, but the simplest is the same reason deflation is bad: you want a slight prod to have money used for productive investments, not hoarded. If I have $100k, that should be invested rather than put under a mattress. But if there's deflation, i am actually "paid" to stick it under my mattress (and i am incentivized to avoid buying today what i can buy tomorrow, because it'll be cheaper then). It is also relevant because very low inflation means that you have a ton of room to deficit spend/print money to salvage the economy.
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evilweasel posted:No. At least as I read that chart, it dropped so much we currently have deflation which is insanely bad for an economy. So what I'm reading here, DOW to shoot up to 40k by June?
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Paracaidas posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/markets/status/1260186609191923712 Did we just go deflationary? I know that everything is too chaotic to read much into anything economic right now beyond "poo poo it is hosed up," but that would be superbad.
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Random Stranger posted:Did we just go deflationary? I know that everything is too chaotic to read much into anything economic right now beyond "poo poo it is hosed up," but that would be superbad. The chart literally says yes. We're at about -5% annualized inflation. Edit: better chart: 
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BigglesSWE posted:Trump will take this as a personal insult and is gonna tweetstorm how Pence, a low-energy loser, begged him like a dog to get the VP seat and is doing a TERRIBLE job in Indiana I read it the other way, that pissbaby screamed at someone to keep Pence the gently caress away from him in case he's carrying the Rona. He clearly doesn't want to get sick from it, even while he tantrums and refuses to take it seriously or wear a mask. Like any toddler he wants it both ways.
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TulliusCicero posted:What the gently caress is "Russiagate"? You mean the legitimate investigation into whether the President received political aid and interference from Russia (He did) that Republican led Senate Intel Committee history came out and said happened? The numerous prosecutions, arrests, and cooperating witnesses from the Trump campaign? Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, etc. Roger Stone and Paul Manafort are all that is left, the first with lying and the second with stuff from 2011 neither have anything to do with Russia. Flynn was dropped, the 20 misc russians was dropped when they showed up to court. I guess we will see what they turn up, but it's interesting Obama suddenly makes an appearance in the news after 4 years with a "leak" don't you think?
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