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What should the presidential powers be in 2020? This poll is closed. |
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| UNLIMITED!!!! URKKI 2.0!!!!!! |
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3 | 23.08% |
| Sauli should be allowed to telecast to our homes whenever he pleases, but that should be the limit. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| He should be limited to writing mildly worded letters to HBL and other provincial newspapers. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| None. More power to Sanna & Katri & Maria & Li & Anna-Maja & Jenni! |
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2 | 15.38% |
| Unlimited, but every decision must be subject to a plebiscite. |
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0 | 0% |
| None, but the president's life must be video streamed 24 /7 for the duration of their term, with no censorship. |
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4 | 30.77% |
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Bensa posted:Arxiv is a preprint platform, getting something up on it does not validate anything except that it passed a preliminary spam/insanity check. He collaborates with one guy, with a verizon.net e-mail address. While there are too many concepts discovered by the human race to be comprehended by a single person, in theory it should be possible to backtrack the path from current scientific consensus and see where certain ideas came from, why they were accepted and why rivaling ideas were rejected. Otherwise you're just taking someone's word for a fact and we know how well that usually goes. Bensa posted:Fundamental constants don't have to be (and probably aren't) derived from anything, the speed of light could be one like that. His idea of it not being constant has not been observed, but if the rate of change is so small where we could not test it on human timescales, then its similar to string theory in not being testable/verifiable. not a bot posted:It's not irrelevant at all since your whole argument hinges on Suntola being right. Also I'm curious if you have any expertise in general relativity or are you just saying that he is right because it looks neat?  And as I said, even if we forget Suntola altogether, my initial claim was the universities are religious organisations like any organisations that are formed by humans. The people inside have not magically overcome our species' cult mentality, fear of outsiders, fear of angering superiors, etc. I would find this claim really hard to refute, but feel free to try. not a bot posted:The problem with Suntola is that he makes claims which aren't based on any actual evidence and then claims he's being persecuted because modern physics hasn't been thrown into trash heap. He's basically writing physics fanfic. Suntola shows with many examples of how his model corresponds with measurements taken from our universe. And don't get me wrong. Universities are the best chance we currently have for gaining information about the world around us. But they're far from infallible, and have time and time again made huge fuckups in the history of their existence. They will inevitably gently caress up again and again until some ideal (and probably impossible) mode of operation for them is discovered and employed.
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May 12, 2020 18:21
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SnowblindFatal posted:I've just university engineer physics knowledge, which is why this is A WEE BIT TRICKY to check up on these concepts. I can follow the beginning of the Dynamic Universe book because it's essentially just same high school physics as anywhere else, but past that... Yeah I imagined that would be the case. Suntola doesn't appeal to people with no understanding of physics but to people who understand a little and see his work as neat, simple and appealing to common sense. The problem is that physics is none of those things. Saying that universities are religious organisations is just babble. They aren't religious oragnisations since they haven't been defined as religious organisations and that's pretty much it. Of course they have their own customs and most people try not to rock the boat. That said, you're equating universities with global scientific community which is wrong. Also you seem to be saying that there is some weird global effort to bury the truth (Suntola's work) because there is friction inside university faculties. Suntola has been peddling his Dynamic Universe Theory for 25 years, appears semi-regularily on radio and TV, holds lectures about it and has written a book about it which has been published in English as well. It's all out there and no-one reputable is biting. It's not because of some grand conspiracy or jealous physicsists. It's because his theory has massive holes in it and gives no new information. There's nothing new you can do with it. It's not interesting. SnowblindFatal posted:Here's where I would disagree, though. Since we have loads of measurement data of our universe, any new model would have to accommodate that data. If this is not the case, then it should be easily shown that the underlying model produces inconsistent values from this set of measurements. With the certainty that all these high and mighty science people have discredited his work, I'm sure their skills are such that presenting this inconsistency would be child's play! That's because it's largerly reverse-engineered. He arrives largely to the same conclusions as accepted theories, but to get there he has to change stuff, like the speed of light in a vacuum not being a constant. That also should mess with other stuff like Schwarzschild radius and gravitational waves. And here's the interesting bit, light bends due to gravity! According to Suntola the speed of light isn't constant because it's tied with the expansion of 4th (physical) dimension. Gravitational waves are handled the same way as in general relativity and are not affected by the 4th dimension. That's just silly. Suntola's theory does away with dark matter and energy while introducing many other complications and not arriving in anything new. Yet you view his theory more credible than current understanding of general relativity while ignoring all the issues with the theory and having to imagine some global conspiracy to keep his mouth shut (even though he is very very loud). Why? Because he makes all that difficult physics stuff seem all neat and simple? That's some serious kaiken maailman dosentit poo poo right there. Please read up on theory of relativity and try reading Suntola's stuff or reviews of it after you know about the subject and you'll see why it's not given a lot of thought. Kari Enqvist's Johdatus suhteellisuusteoriaan is a good summary of a university course about the theory of relativity. This is the dumbest finpol derail, soon we'll be talking about whether fairies are real. not a bot fucked around with this message at 19:49 on May 12, 2020 |
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May 12, 2020 19:42
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not a bot posted:Yeah I imagined that would be the case. Suntola doesn't appeal to people with no understanding of physics but to people who understand a little and see his work as neat, simple and appealing to common sense. The problem is that physics is none of those things. Hey, thanks, this is basically the first time I hear something resembling even closely solid criticism. Still not quite what I'd want. But I agree, this derail is goofy. And yeah you basically get me but then turn it up a notch to add a little spice to it and this is fine.
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May 12, 2020 20:10
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It's not the speed of light it's the speed of everything. 
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May 12, 2020 20:26
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SnowblindFatal posted:And yeah you basically get me but then turn it up a notch to add a little spice to it and this is fine. I blame the corona virus 
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May 12, 2020 20:37
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endlessmonotony posted:It's not the speed of light it's the speed of everything. This guy gets it
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May 12, 2020 21:23
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SnowblindFatal posted:We're in the core of the problem, here! If only places where you get to publish your findings are cooky sites or sites hosted by yourself, there's no problem IF the systems employed by publishing papers were good enough. Now we're in a situation where a bunch of ivory tower greyskulls tell me that this one idea is false and therefore it should not be published. Other greyskulls tell me that since it has not been published in a reputable journal, it must be false. This is circular reasoning if anything.
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May 12, 2020 21:25
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not a bot posted:I blame the corona virus Times are tough. Nothing in the national Pikku-Kakkonen indoctrination prepared us for this.
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May 12, 2020 21:26
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not a bot posted:This is the dumbest finpol derail, soon we'll be talking about whether fairies are real. Agreed, two days about some phycisist dipshit is too much. Science is not real, fairies are.  IDIOT KING PÄIVÄKÄSKY #1 X. Any talk about Suntola is explicitly forbidden for the next 24 hours. Don't do it or you will be probated. Y. For the next 24 hours, every post in this thread must include evidence for the existence for tonttus, keijus and other fairy beings. Do this or you will be probated. I know this is a drastic measure, but the tiny goblin on my shoulder keeps whispering that it's for the best. I trust Mr. Carillo's wisdom. Sincerely, your friendly neighbourhood idiot king 
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May 12, 2020 21:36
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Caught a ghost of finland past and future on camera!
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May 12, 2020 21:42
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May 12, 2020 21:42
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Also ban the despot Nenonen and strip him of all his powers (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 12, 2020 21:43
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We got a fascist regime in this thread, I'm blaming Tuomo Suntola for it. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 12, 2020 22:00
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Would you say Paavo is more of a goblin or a gnome?
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May 12, 2020 22:05
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bloom posted:Would you say Paavo is more of a goblin or a gnome? sanoisin että hän on kepun pettotaikojen arkkishamaani
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May 12, 2020 22:18
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vai että todisteita menninkäisistä triviaalia tän ketjun asukeille, sekä juomisen lopettaminen että näytön virtanappulan painaminen tuottaa kiistattomia tuloksia
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May 12, 2020 22:27
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May 12, 2020 23:07
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minua alkoi yhtäkkiä häiritsemään etten muista sen keijun nimeä josta rölli tykkäsi. muistan että oli joku keiju, mutten muista siitä paljon muuta
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May 12, 2020 23:48
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SpiritOfLenin posted:minua alkoi yhtäkkiä häiritsemään etten muista sen keijun nimeä josta rölli tykkäsi. muistan että oli joku keiju, mutten muista siitä paljon muuta Ainakin oli Maahiskeiju siinä leffassa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr4so6M20nw Ai niin ja TV-sarjassa hengaili Tiina-tonttu Zat fucked around with this message at 23:58 on May 12, 2020 |
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May 12, 2020 23:55
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ai niin se oli Tiina-Tonttu. se vaan jotenkin tuntui hyvin keijumaiselta
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May 13, 2020 00:01
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SnowblindFatal posted:Alright, but the thing is, that's exactly what he seems to be doing: SnowblindFatal posted:Another problem with the theory of general relativity is that the speed of light is just a magic number with no basis on anything. SnowblindFatal posted:I think it is most reasonable to expect that the organisations which (ideally) form the whole basis to our world views to acknowledge and assess competing models, especially when they are so promising. Otherwise, how are they different from how the pope reacted to Galileo? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 13, 2020 10:13
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No kato ny tätä Nenonen, täs on ilmiselvä tonttu ja siten niiden olemassaolo on todistettu, qed.
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May 13, 2020 10:19
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Nenonen posted:evidence for the existence for tonttus, keijus and other fairy beings. 
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May 13, 2020 10:27
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 Kuka muu luki tätä saatanaa skidinä?
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May 13, 2020 10:37
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Nuorena sällinä kun olin partioleiriä johtamassa, niin yksi laumalainen tuli yöllä meidän telttaan herättämään, koska oli nähnyt mukamas peikon kun kävi huussissa. Mentiin sitten näön vuoksi katsomaan, että ei siellä mitään ole jotta poloinen rauhottuis. Se oli jumalauta karhu. Warden fucked around with this message at 13:28 on May 13, 2020 |
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May 13, 2020 13:18
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sori, se olin minä, olin vaan paskalla (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 13, 2020 14:16
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Apparently Krista Kiuru (SDP) is going to handle the task of reopening restaurants, and basically all of twitter is going "welp, that's the end of the restaurant industry  ".(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 13, 2020 16:37
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May 13, 2020 21:08
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Nenonen posted:
24 hours have passed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQUTuHD_oDU
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May 13, 2020 21:26
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So how was your first day of school post-curfew?
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May 14, 2020 17:15
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No. 1 Callie Fan posted:So how was your first day of school post-curfew? Luckily, saner minds prevailed, and high schools remain closed, which means I can continue working from home. This whole distance teaching has gone better than I feared, but not as well as I hoped.
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May 14, 2020 18:18
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I won't need to go to a graduation ceremony and I won't need to have a graduation party, this is great! I mean I didn't need to have a party at any point really, but now I can blame the corona and no one can call me an rear end in a top hat! Also my office is gonna be closed until the fall so I don't need to go there which... Actually kinda sucks, office has air conditioning...
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May 15, 2020 11:48
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You guys have an opinion about this https://www.hs.fi/junkkari/art-2000006510322.html ? Miksi pääministeri Sanna Marin hermostui Petteri Orpolle His conclusion is that Marin ideologically dislikes cock (lol), which might actually be true.
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May 17, 2020 09:11
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Marin is on record saying we shouldn't punish the poor for being poor and that's all the cocks ever do, so that would explain it.
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May 17, 2020 09:29
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Not exactly deep insight yeah, but if there is real and publized bad feelings between KOK and the leader of SDP it's gonna have effects on stuff. There's gonna be another round of hallitusneuvottelut at some point.
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May 17, 2020 10:14
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I can't really blame her for losing her temper with the disingenuous cheapshots kok/ps are throwing when they can't think of actual criticisms. The government is too lenient with the restrictions until they're suddenly too tough, they're giving out muddled information without a clear central message until they're suddenly too one-sided and stamping out dissenting voices, etc. (Like what the hell is Orpo's point even, that the gov should air out their new linjaukses in a täysi-istunto first to let every professional väärinymmärtäjä get their competing truths out in the press before the actual official instructions?) Yeah it's probably not wise to give Orpo's määkiminen any extra airtime since he's getting so little of it anyway, but it's good this poo poo is called out.
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May 17, 2020 10:25
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Orpo's probably worried about how the opposition has basically been completely sidelined and the SDP are constantly rising the polls, and the neoliberal poo poo Kok is pending is just not sounding all that good to a population concerned by the Boomer Remover and losing their jobs.
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May 17, 2020 10:31
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Orpo's entire gimmick is fishmeching but in the government. But he's somehow a less tolerable fishmech.
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May 17, 2020 10:37
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The opposition has been sidelined because they have no ideas except "have we tried killing the poor/the browns" to contribute, and it's clear that we have real problems to deal with right now. I'm not even taking the piss right now, while it's no secret I despise the cocks it's also true that they at least seem to have absolutely zero actual workable ideas right now. It feels like they're a rump party designed to accelerate the brain drain to mainland Europe and their heart just isn't in it anymore. The actual hateful fucks seem to be Turd Finns now. At least The Betrayers have their farms and biding their time to find the perfect moment to incompetently fumble. The cocks are just empty suits.
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May 17, 2020 10:50
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Orpo rolls a dice every time he opens his mouth and decides if he wants to be either a disingenuous opportunistic hypocrite, or a condescending charisma-less rear end in a top hat, or all of those things at once ("the Kokoomus mindset")
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