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If I had to guess it's something like worse facilities and more old people. Oh and I think we have a higher prevalence of respiratory conditions like COPD presumably due to the industry. https://thorax.bmj.com/content/71/Suppl_3/A20.1
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May 13, 2020 13:45
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Crazy how busy its gotten this week, think people round here have just thought 'seems over, let's go' as the town centre is packedSanford posted:I am become a person who just asks the Internet a thing because thinking about it is too hard (and my wife and I disagree). How long should I keep paying our childminder and cleaner I know for? We've not used either since last week of March. I am still media-free so I've literally no idea what support they are getting, and it feels both rude and basically cuntish to ask. They are both full-time self-employed, and continuing to not work for the forseeable future. Ask them? Self employed folk are meant to be getting assistance next month anyway, but good not to chuck a comrade under a bus if its within your means. e: quote:Again, none of this was particularly surprising. But Starmer has only appeared at four PMQs, and only two against Johnson, and already he has established mastership of the arena. That’s a notable achievement so early in his time as opposition leader. 
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May 13, 2020 13:47
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Bobstar posted:Let's see him wriggle out of that one I think it's going to be "this advice was correct at the time", even if it wasn't good advice at the time because it does say "where there is currently no transmission of COVID-19 in the community." I do wonder how the brain geniuses behind our/sweden's plan to: - allow coronavirus to circulate freely in the community - allow care home workers to circulate freely in the community - keep coronavirus out of care homes thought that was going to work out, even if we had adequate PPE levels in care homes like I must be missing some element of their plan, like maybe they were going to seal them off and turn them into biocontainment facilities or something but just forgot?
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May 13, 2020 13:51
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From that article: 'NHS Improvement chair Baroness Dido Harding was last week announced as the government’s test, trace and trace chief.' She is the former CEO of TalkTalk. High fives all around.
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May 13, 2020 13:52
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I suspect they don't actually care and would be quite glad to not have to pay that particular part of the pensions bill.
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May 13, 2020 13:53
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If people have been given the go-ahead to go back to work, no-one told the people of Portsmouth as the roads were still exceptionally quiet this morning
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May 13, 2020 13:54
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Soylent Yellow posted:My prediction is that it'll take about 3 weeks for enough new cases to work their way through the system to the point where it cab't be passed off as a statistical blip. After that, we'll probably see the messaging switch to "We expected cases to rise, but our fully prepared NHS heroes are up to the challenge". By the time enough pressure builds up for a full lockdown, we'll be in deep trouble. Check out the timings of the releasing of various stages of lockdown. They are short enough that the increase in deaths will not be registering before the next series of restictions is lifted. This is not an accident, it's likely to get people used to more freedoms so they wont want to go back into a stricter lockdown conditions even as the death toll mounts.
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justcola posted:Self employed folk are meant to be getting assistance next month anyway Sorry to be a pest, any details on this? It is the point upon which the dispute with my wife rests. I've paid the cleaner in full and the childminder 50% up to the end of June. Guavanaut posted:That's interesting to know... I'm missing a subtext here, I'm sure. Do you want me to ask him anything? He is pretty senior and hosed off enough right now to answer questions.
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May 13, 2020 13:58
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"Interesting to know" says man in posession of set of safecracking tools upon being told that the bank security has been reassigned elsewhere.
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May 13, 2020 14:00
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Sanford posted:Sorry to be a pest, any details on this? It is the point upon which the dispute with my wife rests. I've paid the cleaner in full and the childminder 50% up to the end of June. Sure: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52053914 / https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-a-grant-through-the-coronavirus-covid-19-self-employment-income-support-scheme If they've been registered self employed for over a year and have been paying tax they'll get the equivalent of furlough pay (80% up to £2500) across 3 months in a single taxable payment
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May 13, 2020 14:03
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kecske posted:dodging virus particles in the air like neo dodging bullets putting spybreak! on every time I go outside
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May 13, 2020 14:05
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XMNN posted:I do wonder how the brain geniuses behind our/sweden's plan to: You also have to make a graphic. 
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May 13, 2020 14:10
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I had assumed I was eligible for a self-employment grant but after just checking, nope https://www.tax.service.gov.uk/self-employment-support/enter-unique-taxpayer-reference I was both part-time employed and self-employed last year and the latter barely made any money, I was hoping my pt work might bolster my self-employed stuff but guess not. I also haven't been getting any UC as still getting paid from contracts from months ago, though I'm still getting paid I guess. Wap wap
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May 13, 2020 14:23
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bornbytheriver posted:Friends, could you educate sadbrains about the North of England, what is happening there? The north of england is poorer than the south and the tories have spent decades systematically destroying our infrastructure and public services so that they can spend that money in the south.
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May 13, 2020 14:41
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Bloodly posted:Everyone's using all these words like neolibs, far left, far right, centrist, and all are being used as insults. As far as I can tell no one wants to set out what they are in actual words. But what do I know? I'm just a drone with no real political opinion beyond, "They're all idiots out for themselves." Not like I could do much better. Part of me wants to ask about all this, but I don't even know where to begin, because it's not even clear what the words mean. Liberalism was an enlightenment philosophy focusing on rights of the individual, including rights of property and free markets; the state under liberalism wasn't seen as having too much involvement with the economy other than the occasional intervention after market failure. Neoliberalism was a reimagining of liberalism for an era of strong state intervention (as a project it started late 1930s-1940s, give or take), focusing on maintaining property rights and free markets, which they saw as the most important parts of liberalism. The core of neoliberalism is the belief that the market is the best possible information processor - it collects scattered information, extracts information hidden even to its owners, and there is some information that is sort of embodied by markets and cannot be found without them. The idea is that human rationality cannot even hope to compete with the rationality of the market; neoliberals don't really see humans as capable of rationality. Some consequences: markets have to be extended everywhere to allow market rationality to work its magic, democracy is suspect (people aren't rational so can't vote in their own best interests, whereas if they interact through the market its superior rationality will produce better outcomes), information not obtained through a market is suspect (purely human rationality? a no-no), ignorance is good because then people have to rely on the market to tell them what's right, risk (in investment, employment etc) is good because again people can't know what's required until disciplined by the market. (birb, for those who don't like words)  In this reading, neoliberals aren't opposed to state intervention, they actually see it as quite useful, not for giving people stuff, but to force the introduction of markets, introduce market discipline to workers, and bring in successful businesses (chosen by the market, therefore Good At Doing Business Success in some unknowable way) to run state functions. This runs contra to many left readings of neoliberalism as anti-state, which may have trouble explaining why, for example, Thatcher thought that New Labour, which increased state intervention, was her greatest success. Through a bunch of careful planning this ideology was developed and spread enough by the 1970s that when crisis hit, it was a tool that governments could - and did - reach for; people wanted a politics that gave them more individual freedom, and neoliberalism does that in an evil genie sort of way. (another birb, similar)  I might do an effortpost on neoliberalism at some point, if there's any interest (time permitting, and as and when I get round to reading this stuff again)
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It's true that the neolibs are not anti state because if they were they'd be ancaps. It's more that they don't want anyone else to use the state except them and their mates, they use it as an arm of capital, and want it kept out of the hands of the left at all costs. It is the blunt stick to crush what the scalpel of marketization cannot excise. But like all capitalists they cannot reist the urge to cut and cut away the bits they do not have an immediate use for, so the state is often scaled back to just the level they think is necessary to maintain control. There's also the issue of generational wastage, whereby the longer they're in power the generally worse at everything they get, so you have entire generations of politicians who have inherited this lovely system and don't actually understand it because they're the kind of people who thrive in it, not the kind of people who actually know how to run it. They start believing their own bullshit. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 14:57 on May 13, 2020 |
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May 13, 2020 14:51
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Guavanaut posted:Well yeah, you can't just do that. lol unfortunately I forgot the 4th element of the plan to keep coronavirus out of care homes (send people with coronavirus to care homes), and that means it no longer fits the government's preferred 3 point format quote:A hospital wants to discharge someone with COVID-19 to our care home. Is there any guidance on this?
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May 13, 2020 14:58
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CGI Stardust posted:This runs contra to many left readings of neoliberalism as anti-state, which may have trouble explaining why, for example, Thatcher thought that New Labour, which increased state intervention, was her greatest success. OwlFancier posted:It's true that the neolibs are not anti state because if they were they'd be ancaps. * 
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Good post. And I would add, the reason people who like or benefit from neoliberalism like to boo-hoo about "people using it as an insult for things they don't like" is because, to paraphrase a saying, it's like somebody critical of the way fish live constantly talking about water. It has been the dominant underpinning of politics for several decades now, certainly my whole lifetime, and all three of the 2 political parties that matter have embraced and built on it while in power. And the people who like and benefit from it enjoy it being background common sense, so react angrily when it's pointed out, named, and held responsible for its consequences. That's not to say that it isn't sometimes used over-broadly, but less often than they'd like you to believe.
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Also it's completely deceitful because even operating without interference markets lead to monopolies which abolish them, and *curiously* the big proponents of the Austrian school neoliberal marketisation drive are all in position to make out like bandits from their being near expanding capital agglomerations.
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May 13, 2020 15:03
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Bobstar posted:Good post.
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Are there any neolibs who aren't murder happy lunatics on foreign policy? I can't think of any in the UK or the US.
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May 13, 2020 15:15
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There's plenty of Lib Dem Orange Bookers who are completely economically neoliberal while being against unprofitable foreign escapades. Neoconservatism is far more about the maintaining integrity in the Mid-East line. And like most bad things seems to descend from Trots.
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May 13, 2020 15:19
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Good to set a benchmark timeline on the coronavirus inquiry. See you in 50 years!
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May 13, 2020 15:25
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Meltdown May delivers, as all the shittiest UK hacks close ranks against Owen Jones on the hotly contested turf of "clean your own house, there's a pandemic on" https://twitter.com/sarahditum/status/1260515411814162433 It's KILLING them.
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May 13, 2020 15:26
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Which of course makes it right to kill others instead.
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May 13, 2020 15:29
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Guavanaut posted:Which of course makes it right to kill others instead. Wow, can't believe you'd deny someone their right to feel useful and normal by cleaning Janice Turner's house (because her husband won't). https://twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/1260560464439902209
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May 13, 2020 15:31
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The teens and the other adult should probably pitch in with the cleaning.
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May 13, 2020 15:31
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josh04 posted:Meltdown May delivers, as all the shittiest UK hacks close ranks against Owen Jones on the hotly contested turf of "clean your own house, there's a pandemic on" If it wasn't enraging, it would be hilarious how oblivious they all are to their own smug privilege.
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May 13, 2020 15:34
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stev posted:The teens and the other adult should probably pitch in with the cleaning. She says that would be more work and as the current level of hoovering is KILLING her I assume asking her family to help would mean she was literally dead
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May 13, 2020 15:35
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stev posted:The teens and the other adult should probably pitch in with the cleaning. https://twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/1260539114518130689
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May 13, 2020 15:38
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Working from home has made my cleaning rota a hell of a lot easier, because I can put washing on before work and sort it at lunch without worrying that I'm flooding the house while I'm out, change bedding on my lunch break, do hoovering when I'd be commuting. It's not all roses but I'm fortunate to be able to do that and I'm completely lost how these middle class talking heads seem to be swamped. It's because they're having to eat at home and the laundry shop's closed, isn't it.
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May 13, 2020 15:42
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josh04 posted:Wow, can't believe you'd deny someone their right to feel useful and normal by cleaning Janice Turner's house (because her husband won't). I wonder what bacteria she's worried about her cleaner coming into contact with
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May 13, 2020 15:46
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lmao outing your husband and teenage kids as terrible selfish people to win an internet argument
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Lt. Danger posted:lmao outing your husband and teenage kids as terrible selfish people to win an internet argument And it's Owen Jones who is, as ever, the real sexist for expecting the men in her house to do a bit of cleaning. Good autocorrect: "sexist" corrected to "a exist. Thus stuff is LITERALLY KILLING ME!
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May 13, 2020 15:53
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it's actually a very sensible idea to get the cleaners back to work because then they can be out of the house when their cleaner comes round, two birds one stone
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Bobstar posted:Let's see him wriggle out of that one Guardian Live posted:A source said that Starmer had “inaccurately and selectively” quoted from the document, and that therefore the PM was right to say what Starmer said was not correct. The source said that in his question Starmer talked about it remaining the case that people in care were unlikely to be infected (the document does not use the word “remains” at that point) and the source said the full quote (see above) made it clear that this assurance covered a period where there was no community transmission. Starmer did not include the word “therefore”, the source said. The source signalled that Johnson would not be retracting what he said. (Reminder: the document cited by Starmer was only officially withdrawn as government advice on 13 March. See 12.47pm.) Wriggle accomplished. Starmer still thinks he is in a court arguing with a lawyer, while he is actually in the circus arguing with the clown. The clown doesn't care if you make him look stupid, or point out he is incompetent. The only thing the clown cares about is that people are looking at him and not you.
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Tesseraction posted:Speaking to a neighbour yesterday (at sensible social distance) whose wife has been brought in to help with the ICU wards due to covid19 - apparently we've seen a dramatic reduction in people in critical condition, from multiple wards being packed with patients, to just four at last count. Same story from my mum, who's was drafted in from her normal ward to work in a Covid-19 ward. They were starting to open up some of the Covid ward space at the hospital she works at, as they've seen a big reduction in critical cases over the last couple of weeks. She also said everyone's nervous about another big swell happening soon with the lockdown falling to pieces, so y'know, swings and roundabouts. Seeing so many of the commentariat coming out against teacher's unions is really grating on me now though. I'm not sure what I expected but it's still infuriating. Luckily, the NEU aren't taking much poo poo at the minute and my boss seems to be in agreement with them.
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CancerCakes posted:Wriggle accomplished. Starmer still thinks he is in a court arguing with a lawyer, while he is actually in the circus arguing with the clown. The clown doesn't care if you make him look stupid, or point out he is incompetent. The only thing the clown cares about is that people are looking at him and not you. This is a very useful analogy for a few things.
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