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SlothfulCobra posted:To be fair, it "makes sense" for a system with a relatively weak decentralized government composed of people acting on a mandate from only their home territory as opposed to the entire union as a whole. Big change of any sort for that size of a system and organization requires either enough instability to allow for a change or enough momentum to get over the transitional hump of disorganization involved in changing systems. Ultimately there requires a desire for change and if it's not there, it doesn't matter how good the portrayed alternative is, biases in loss aversion (fear of "what if this doesn't work") and satisfaction with the current system will hold it back.
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Toplowtech posted:loving great, even in their alternative European system, i am in a state where my vote doesn't really matter. In any case, a proper USE would have electoral votes based on a GDP*(150% - debt/GDP ratio), thus skewing the governance of the EU towards countries with a proven track record of sensible governance. :europe: A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 06:17 on May 12, 2020 |
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What’s the name for the type of map that has everything scaled up or down, so for example on a population map China and India are gigantic bubbles and everything looks wonky?
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Idaholy Roller posted:What’s the name for the type of map that has everything scaled up or down, so for example on a population map China and India are gigantic bubbles and everything looks wonky? You’re thinking of a “cartogram”.
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Toplowtech posted:loving great, even in their alternative European system, i am in a state where my vote doesn't really matter. Have you considered procreating more?
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writing Kant, a man who famously never left his place of birth, over that part of russia is a a dead giveaway as to the trick of this map, though there's some read herrings napoleon, ajaccio freud, Freiberg etc Antonymous fucked around with this message at 11:50 on May 12, 2020 |
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May 12, 2020 11:48
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Antonymous posted:writing Kant, a man who famously never left his place of birth, over that part of russia is a a dead giveaway as to the trick of this map, though there's some read herrings I really don't see how there's a trick to this map other than "map of famous people who were born in the modern borders of these states". The Kant one is a bit ridiculous but it's technically correct, and while I can certainly think of people I'd consider more famous in a few cases, otherwise it feels pretty accurate.
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Sereri posted:Have you considered procreating more? Should have told the French that 500 years ago. Alas, they decided to stop procreating at the same time that the English started breeding like rabbits, one of the reasons that we're having this discussion in English.
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French may be the language of love, but English is clearly the language of loving.
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The English are a kind of vaguely humanoid fungus that spreads exclusively through spores released by bloodshed. This is what drove them to almost devour the entire planet in their internal quest for death and domination.
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So I wound up looking at some maps that may or may not implicate me further in some kind of vendetta. And there's also this article that put out some neat pictures from this interactive map that's interesting to play around with. Here's the homeless population as compared with the average rent.  Phlegmish posted:Should have told the French that 500 years ago. Alas, they decided to stop procreating at the same time that the English started breeding like rabbits, one of the reasons that we're having this discussion in English. No idea what any of the numbers you're talking about are. I know all of Europe went through a massive boom with the industrial revolution, but I suppose it follows that the place that started it would have a bigger boom. Maybe try having one of those, iunno. Or maybe maintain better relations with your former colonial empire.
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SlothfulCobra posted:No idea what any of the numbers you're talking about are. I know all of Europe went through a massive boom with the industrial revolution, but I suppose it follows that the place that started it would have a bigger boom. But France didn't have that kind of population boom, at all. Its population increased by ~10 million over the 19th century, when neighboring countries typically doubled in population (or more) even while millions migrated abroad. If France's population had increased like in the rest of Europe, it would be somewhere between 120 and 180 million people now.
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Kassad posted:But France didn't have that kind of population boom, at all. Its population increased by ~10 million over the 19th century, when neighboring countries typically doubled in population (or more) even while millions migrated abroad. If France's population had increased like in the rest of Europe, it would be somewhere between 120 and 180 million people now. I may be wrong but I thought the incessant warfare France was involved in from the late 18th to the mid 19th century, including frequent civil conflicts, played a major role in limiting population growth.
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Poking around wikipedia numbers, I'd say 10 million on top of 30 million is still a boom, although yes, the UK starting at 10 million and then getting 20 million on top of that is definitely a lot more. The internal demographics of England vs. Scotland and Wales is also pretty impressive. But then over in Ireland, they went from 5 million in 1806, nearly doubled to 8 million in 1841, and then halved to 4 million in 1901, so there's countries with a much worse deal. Pope Hilarius II posted:I may be wrong but I thought the incessant warfare France was involved in from the late 18th to the mid 19th century, including frequent civil conflicts, played a major role in limiting population growth. I'm not sure that's enough to explain all of the difference, although around a million deaths in the napoleonic wars is nothing to sneeze at.
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The funniest factor seriously proposed to explain France’s nineteenth century demographic miracle is that French men learned to pull out from prostitutes on campaign.
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Platystemon posted:The funniest factor seriously proposed to explain France’s nineteenth century demographic miracle is that French men learned to pull out from prostitutes on campaign.
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Do not research the Pulling Out tech, it's a trap and you'll run out of manpower during the late game
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Do not adopt the Gavelkind civic. Sounds fair, but your tile yields will degrade and put a soft cap on your population.
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There'd be a lot more French if they'd learned to pull out from Vilnius.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Poking around wikipedia numbers, I'd say 10 million on top of 30 million is still a boom, although yes, the UK starting at 10 million and then getting 20 million on top of that is definitely a lot more. The internal demographics of England vs. Scotland and Wales is also pretty impressive. Yeah, it's in comparison to everyone else booming more that it seemed lackluster. SlothfulCobra posted:But then over in Ireland, they went from 5 million in 1806, nearly doubled to 8 million in 1841, and then halved to 4 million in 1901, so there's countries with a much worse deal. Ireland being a colony that got wrecked by a massive famine puts it into a different category than France in the same time period.
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Phlegmish posted:Do not research the Pulling Out tech, it's a trap and you'll run out of manpower during the late game Most new players end up taking policies like Womens' Emancipation and Workplace Equality for the sweet civilian manpower and economy bonuses, but the truly genius level play is to continue to farm explosive pop growth by maintaining low level civil war, taking Fanatic Spiritualist ethics, and suppressing literacy in female pops.
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Kassad posted:Yeah, it's in comparison to everyone else booming more that it seemed lackluster. the scale of irish immigration also cannot be overstated. for almost a century, something like 10%, sometimes even more, of the irish population would immigrate to the US every decade. its one of the largest mass exoduses of human history.
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Sampatrick posted:the scale of irish immigration also cannot be overstated. for almost a century, something like 10%, sometimes even more, of the irish population would immigrate to the US every decade. its one of the largest mass exoduses of human history. There are 33 million Irish Americans and roughly 100 million people of Irish descent worldwide. Between the ROI and North Ireland there's like 6 million people. Even today there's something around 16,000 Irish citizens living undocumented in the US. Which isn't a lot until you remember the country only has 4 and a half million people.
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Sampatrick posted:the scale of irish immigration also cannot be overstated. for almost a century, something like 10%, sometimes even more, of the irish population would immigrate to the US every decade. its one of the largest mass exoduses of human history. I'm Dutch and from what I've seen of Dutch emigration to the USA, the Netherlands is a quite progressive country where overall religion does no longer play a major role in society and the average Dutch political view is quite a bit to the left from the average American political view. However, Americans of Dutch descent are generally very conservative, even for American standards, and very strict evangelical/calvinist christians and quite often Trump supporters. The Netherlands used to be strictly calvinist many decades ago but other than some scattered villages, all of that is gone now. The American-Dutch took a completely different path over the generations, and I really don't feel I have much in common with those people anymore, except for recognizable last names and a love for stroopwafels.
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America has a myth that it was founded by people fleeing religious persecution, but in large part it was founded by cultists who wanted theocracies.
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Carbon dioxide posted:I'm Dutch and from what I've seen of Dutch emigration to the USA, the Netherlands is a quite progressive country where overall religion does no longer play a major role in society and the average Dutch political view is quite a bit to the left from the average American political view. However, Americans of Dutch descent are generally very conservative, even for American standards, and very strict evangelical/calvinist christians and quite often Trump supporters. It’s just a hunch, but it might be that you either completely assimilate into the new culture or retain your identity while becoming very conservative. Croatia is not a very liberal society, with the majority putting a lot of emphasis on religion and being to the right of your average Dutchman. But the emigrants to the US (and especially Australia) are insanely right wing. Downright clerofascists. The ones that retain their national identities, hang out in Croatian clubs and churches and similar, that is. When I talk to them, their main concern is that Croatia is being run by communists (the party in power is a center-right run of the mill EPP member). The ones that assimilate usually become your average Joes.
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:It’s just a hunch, but it might be that you either completely assimilate into the new culture or retain your identity while becoming very conservative. Croatia is not a very liberal society, with the majority putting a lot of emphasis on religion and being to the right of your average Dutchman. But the emigrants to the US (and especially Australia) are insanely right wing. Downright clerofascists. The ones that retain their national identities, hang out in Croatian clubs and churches and similar, that is. When I talk to them, their main concern is that Croatia is being run by communists (the party in power is a center-right run of the mill EPP member). How likely is it that the ones retaining their national identities personally took part in ethnic cleansing in the 90's
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Pakled posted:How likely is it that the ones retaining their national identities personally took part in ethnic cleansing in the 90's It's actually less likely. The ones with blood on their hands and possible indictments usually try to avoid attracting attention. Also, most of the hardcore nationalists emigrants left Croatia earlier, in Yugoslav times.
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Pakled posted:How likely is it that the ones retaining their national identities personally took part in ethnic cleansing in the 90's It’s a lot more likely that they were fleeing the war if they left in the 90s, as there was a massive wave of displaced refugees. A lot of the worst people in the wars stuck around. There’s also quite a bit of pro-socialist, pro-Yugoslav sentiment among the 90s refugees, often referred to derogatorily as yugo-nostalgia, which is not surprising. A lot of mixed ethnicity yugoslavs for example will never identify with the post war national identities. The -ich last names that emigrated from 1945-1960 to NA, Australia, and South America are a different story, and depending on who you ask are all fascists (if Croatian) or chetniks (if Serbian). I’m not sure how true that is, but it makes sense that fascist sympathizers would have fled when Tito was putting people up against the wall. The second and third generation Croatian North Americans I’ve met are not nearly as religious as the ones in Croatia, which has basically become a clerical state (not sure if this is the right term), but definitely skew heavily right wing.
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Wow.. a map that could join the fans of fonts and the fans of maps in a single image  Here in spain the Vasque Country likes to use their own font for stuff, and is everywhere. https://aboutbasquecountry.eus/2016/11/09/una-buena-coleccion-de-fuentes-vascas-y-mas-informacion-sobre-tipografia-vasca-iii/
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Platystemon posted:America has a myth that it was founded by people fleeing religious persecution, but in large part it was founded by cultists who wanted theocracies. It was both, and that wasn't a contradiction at the time. Calvin's Geneva had Michael Servetus burned for denying the Trinity.
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As far as dubious food maps go, I liked this one
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Isn't pasties the things you glue to your nipples?
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:As far as dubious food maps go, I liked this one Horseshoes are a weird local abomination, though. "What if... we took everything in a cheeseburger and fries and just kind of ... smooshed it all together, only with bad cheese sauce?" I mean it's not like it's bad, per se; it's basically the same tasty stuff that you'd expect with a burger and fries. It's just the most incredibly lazy excuse for 'cuisine' imaginable. dwarf74 fucked around with this message at 16:52 on May 13, 2020 |
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Cum pizza? Slut burger? Wait. Where are my glasses?
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Platystemon posted:America has a myth that it was founded by people fleeing religious persecution, but in large part it was founded by cultists who wanted theocracies. Those aren't mutually exclusive. Generally if you're very religiously-motivated people leaving wherever you're from to set up a whole new community, the community you set up will have religion as a heavy part of it. The founders of the movement that became the Amish still swing in their cages today. Not all religious movements are the same either. The puritans were assholes, but the Quakers were pretty darn friendly. Nor does eschewing established religion exempt you from being an rear end in a top hat. A good number of atheists found their own way to heavily discriminating against muslims or women or whatever.
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:As far as dubious food maps go, I liked this one Clam pizza is amazing you shut your mouth map.
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