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indigi posted:idk if it was an inside job as much as it was along the lines of Pearl Harbor, where they almost certainly knew but allowed it to happen More marxist oriented sites generally are so stuck in the last century that they refuse to provide mobile formats.
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VictualSquid posted:Pretty much anything on the anarchist library can be emailed to your kindle. Web 0.5 http://www.newworker.org
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VictualSquid posted:Pretty much anything on the anarchist library can be emailed to your kindle. Verso has kindle/ebooks I think they give you a free digital copy with a physical purchase too
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this is the real poo poo. gotta have the impact font in all caps and feel like you're powering up like a dragonball z character while reading it. learned recently that the progressive labor party, the group that entered the SDS and then proceeded to destroy it in the late 60s, is apparently still around and publishes "challenge," which looks like this:  they've gone the extra distance with the red font. but yeah, you gotta have headlines like that or WORKERS LINE OF MARCH ADVANCES AGAINST RACIST INCARCERATION
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even if you arent a 3rd world maoist (I'm not), it's a pretty good marxist analysis of how our society was built out of white supremacy and exploitation. the parts exploring how early trade unionism excluded the exploited minorities are especially important Famethrowa fucked around with this message at 23:13 on May 13, 2020 |
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I think it's a little sketchy to just rec Settlers without explicitly explaining what it is. Someone inclined to an uncharitable view could interpret that as trying to nazbolpill people.
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Lol one of the worst posts we’ve seen in here
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LittleBlackCloud posted:I think it's a little sketchy to just rec Settlers without explicitly explaining what it is. really?? I have never once gotten that impression reading it, and I honestly don't get how such an anti-imperialist and anti-white supremacist text can be nazbol.
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Famethrowa posted:really?? I have never once gotten that impression reading it, and I honestly don't get how such an anti-imperialist and anti-white supremacist text can be nazbol. Lol i'm an idiot and got it confused with seige.
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Continuity RCP posted:Setting yourself up as a socialist force independent of Moscow ceased to be relevant once Moscow was mostly concerned with securing loans to rig their own elections, is pretty much it. They weren't disposed of or whatever, they realised there was no reason to exist. They were disposed of in the sense by the late 1980s, the Western press/liberal parties demanded that all forms of communism were then be wiped off the map including the Eurocommunists. They didn't give a poo poo that those parties had opposed Moscow. Also, in the early 1990s, Russia was mostly begging for loans to literally try to keep people from starving to death.
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LittleBlackCloud posted:Lol i'm an idiot and got it confused with seige. printing this out, it's going on the fridge
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Also Michael Yates discussed Settlers in the Monthly Review, in a review of David Gilbert’s Looking at the US White Working Class Historically. Worth a look 👍
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Ardennes posted:They were disposed of in the sense by the late 1980s, the Western press demanded that all forms of communism were then be wiped off the map including the Eurocommunists. The Western press didn't give a poo poo that those parties had opposed Moscow. Also, in the early 1990s, Russia was mostly begging for loans to literally try to keep people from starving to death. By the time the USSR had fallen there was nothing to distinguish the eurocommunists from bog standard social democrats. The CPGB for example turned eurocommunist then voted themselves out of existence once they realised that there was literally no point to existing anymore.
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LittleBlackCloud posted:I think it's a little sketchy to just rec Settlers without explicitly explaining what it is. LittleBlackCloud posted:Lol i'm an idiot and got it confused with seige.  i thought this was gonna be about how Sakai thought Mein Kampf was well written, but it turned out so much better
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Atrocious Joe posted:
I cracked up when I realized my mistake.
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I apologize for calling that one of the worst posts we’ve seen in here lol Wait wasn’t there an instance of a mod probing somebody for posting a read settlers link since at first glance they thought it was some kind of white power site
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indigi posted:idk if it was an inside job as much as it was along the lines of Pearl Harbor, where they almost certainly knew but allowed it to happen I'm reading Eric Foner's Reconstruction: America's Unfinished Revolution and I'm screaming at how many debates are almost exactly the same as now but with only sightly more racism.
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i laugh every time i read the kersplebedeb
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*fred flintstone voice* Kerslepedebba Dooooo
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Finicums Wake posted:i laugh every time i read the kersplebedeb The guy has to be an asset, just has to be. Even the most pathetic self-hating teenage suburban Third-Worldists would, if they were sincere, know better than to condemn anti-imperialist resistance in the middle east as Fascist.
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GalacticAcid posted:I apologize for calling that one of the worst posts we’ve seen in here lol I'm fairly certain there was, which, when I saw "nazbol" I got a little worried about the number of people IRL I've mentioned the book too.
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judging from the reaction that saying the magic words "read settlers" gets on the web, you could say the book's reputation precedes it, but very much divorced from the actual contents and context
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:judging from the reaction that saying the magic words "read settlers" gets on the web, you could say the book's reputation precedes it, but very much divorced from the actual contents and context I've read it, and it gets my hackles up as much as anyone's. Studying chauvinism and opportunism is important, if you want to combat them, but that's not Sakai's purpose, and that's not the point of Settlers, the point of Settlers is that chauvinism and opportunism are not treachery, are not treason which needs to be exposed, and dealt with as such, but are organic reflections of the real interests of broad swaths of the working class. The man who tells his fellow workers that he is personally morally opposed to opportunism, but that in objective material terms the opportunists are correct, is not an anti-revisionist, he is the most dangerous agent of revisionism.
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"MTW is revisionism" is the kind of take I'd expect from some idiot rereg coward
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looks like it’s time for the Tweet again https://twitter.com/rhizzone_txt/status/633401353327542272?s=21
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Autism Sneaks posted:"MTW is revisionism" is the kind of take I'd expect from some idiot rereg coward I assure you, this is my first and only account. Though I did used to read Ettin's RPG review threads back in the day, I never registered. In any case, a charge of cowardice is meaningless here, it inherently can neither be proven, nor disproven. Now, if we're talking intellectual courage, the brave thing for the third worldists to do would be to delineate their conception of labor aristocracy from Lenin's, and explain the insufficiency of his concept, as their use of it directly contradicts his. Instead, of course, they courageously try to smuggle in their unscientific innovations under the skirts of Lenin's obviously correct observations. Pomeroy fucked around with this message at 04:34 on May 14, 2020 |
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Pomeroy posted:I assure you, this is my first and only account. Though I did used to read Ettin's RPG review threads back in the day, I never registered. In any case, a charge of cowardice is meaningless here, it inherently can neither be proven, nor disproven. Wow
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As for book chat, I've been reading Losurdo's Class Struggles and as a dumbass, I find the context and examination of the concept of class struggle to be very illuminating. I wish I had more to add but I'm still working through it
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Nineball posted:Wow It is indeed wowing to compare how twitter communists use the term "labor aristocracy" to Lenin's use of the term, and even moreso how they attribute their uses directly to Lenin.
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Apparently there’s a Netflix show about trotsky now
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Nineball posted:As for book chat, I've been reading Losurdo's Class Struggles and as a dumbass, I find the context and examination of the concept of class struggle to be very illuminating. I wish I had more to add but I'm still working through it Now there, we agree, Losurdo is solid. Liberalism; a Counter History, has been impressing me.
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GalacticAcid posted:Apparently there’s a Netflix show about trotsky now Yeah, it's called... Nevermind I can't think of anything
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GalacticAcid posted:Apparently there’s a Netflix show about trotsky now Its probably that russian min-cult sponsored trash they pump out every year by annoying oligarchs if u want to watch it, do it like with 300, from the viewpoint of a subjective narrator spinning a tale of self aggrandizement Top City Homo fucked around with this message at 04:53 on May 14, 2020 |
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Pomeroy posted:It is indeed wowing to compare how twitter communists use the term "labor aristocracy" to Lenin's use of the term, and even moreso how they attribute their uses directly to Lenin. To my credit I didn't mean to get the edit, I'm just slow to the draw
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Top City Homo posted:Its probably that russian min-cult sponsored trash they pump out every year by annoying oligarchs I will 100% not be watching it, I’m sure it’s garbage. But Netflix stuff has a way of totally dominating temporary Content Zeitgeists so I’d be curious to read about which historiography it’s pushing if a good analysis like that comes along
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Dreddout posted:I think a lot of western leftists underestimate the ccps effort to crack down on nationalism, including han nationalism. Not out of the goodness of their hearts, but due to various historically dependent reasons. Not least of which being the USSR, the state that the prc was partially modeled after, was torn apart in large part due to the nationalist movements of it's constituent parts. An event that happened a mere thirty years ago. Something that doesn't get much traction on western media about Chinese ethnic relations is that there's an undercurrent of Han resentment over perceived favoritism by the CCP over minorities due to affirmative action taken on national exams for the universities and public jobs as well as lower tax burdens and other "entitlements", including even not being subject to the One Child Policy.
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GalacticAcid posted:I will 100% not be watching it, I’m sure it’s garbage. But Netflix stuff has a way of totally dominating temporary Content Zeitgeists so I’d be curious to read about which historiography it’s pushing if a good analysis like that comes along It's my understanding that it essentially paints Trotsky as being the source of all the bad things associated with the USSR of his era, combined with a lot of antisemitism.
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gradenko_2000 posted:It's my understanding that it essentially paints Trotsky as being the source of all the bad things associated with the USSR of his era, combined with a lot of antisemitism. Having seen the first episode, I'm not sure it's that clear cut, though it might go downhill. Though the relationship they imply with Parvus is worrying.
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