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Me name is James Bond. James... Bond.
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Mar 6, 2020 10:07
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A November release better not stop people from seeing Dune, which I'm far more excited about than an overproduced Bond movie that is over 2,5 hours long.
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Mar 6, 2020 10:59
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u brexit ukip it posted:A November release better not stop people from seeing Dune, which I'm far more excited about than an overproduced Bond movie that is over 2,5 hours long. Maybe the first hour is Q examining James and we learn that 50% of Skyfall and all of Spectre and QoS was a hallucination caused by Bond getting thratched in the balls too hard.
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Mar 7, 2020 02:52
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The Human Crouton posted:Maybe the first hour is Q examining James and we learn that 50% of Skyfall and all of Spectre and QoS was a hallucination caused by Bond getting thratched in the balls too hard. It opens with a recap of the three films and then Bond looking at draft copies of his post retirement novels before dejectedly muttering to himself "How did Marcinko do this?".
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Mar 7, 2020 17:06
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Poorly, very poorly. He says, as some autographed copies are somewhere in a box in the basement.
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Mar 7, 2020 17:20
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Barudak posted:It opens with a recap of the three films and then Bond looking at draft copies of his post retirement novels before dejectedly muttering to himself "How did Marcinko do this?". And it ends with Daniel Craig rapping over the end credits.
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Mar 8, 2020 05:00
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Mar 9, 2020 21:06
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On the whole, did Brosnan average out better than Craig in terms of good/bad Bond movies?
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May 14, 2020 01:17
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NikkolasKing posted:On the whole, did Brosnan average out better than Craig in terms of good/bad Bond movies? I'd rate them both at 2 good, 2 bad.
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May 14, 2020 01:40
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I prefer Brosnan to Craig but that's maybe because I was 10 in 1995. Craig is probably the best actor to have played James Bond but his movies are just so... blehhh.
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May 14, 2020 01:52
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Cacator posted:I'd rate them both at 2 good, 2 bad. ~Coxy posted:I prefer Brosnan to Craig but that's maybe because I was 10 in 1995. I agree, I'd say each one has a great one (Casino Royale, Goldeneye), each one has a good one (Skyfall, TWINE), each one has an ehh one (QOS, Tomorrow Never Dies), and each one has a bad one (Spectre, Die Another Day). Some people might swap QOS and Spectre in those buckets for Craig but I hope the larger vision of it wouldn't be too controversial. Craig probably wins the matchup since each one of those one-on-one comparisons he comes out on top - I really don't like Spectre but it's still obviously so much better than DAD, likewise I am obsessed with Goldeneye but Casino Royale is a legitimate contender for best Bond movie, etc. But Brosnan isn't bad! TWINE is an underrated movie in my book.
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May 14, 2020 02:25
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Quantum of Solace is just tremendously awful while for me Die Another Day is just mediocre, a filler bond movie. It also doesn't help for me that Craig films feel like they dont want to be seen as stupid but then have dead women covered in oil named Strawberry Fields. Brosnan films all feel increasingly stupid linearly, but Craigs kind of undulate, and personally undulation is more irritating than consistently bad ideas
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May 14, 2020 03:21
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The best Craigs are better than the best Brosnans. Skyfall has its problems but it’s way better than any Brosnan aside from maybe Goldeneye.
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May 14, 2020 03:44
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Barudak posted:Quantum of Solace is just tremendously awful while for me Die Another Day is just mediocre, a filler bond movie. Craig Bond script-wise is chasing trends in genre films while still trying to be on-brand Bond movies. So they'll have gritty Christopher Nolan stories and Paul Greengrass fights that also involve 90's movie "hacking" and the fate of the world resting on poker games where everyone at the table is not there to play poker. When it works it works, and when it doesn't it really doesn't.
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May 14, 2020 03:46
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I'm one of those weirdos that doesn't like Goldeneye too much. The opening sequence at that giant dish is awesome but everything else is just meh for me. All his other movies don't do anything for me at all. I'm not quite sure what it is about them. I just don't like the way they look. If I want a more action-y Bond, I'll watch Dalton.
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May 14, 2020 03:51
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Craig Bond script-wise is chasing trends in genre films while still trying to be on-brand Bond movies. So they'll have gritty Christopher Nolan stories and Paul Greengrass fights that also involve 90's movie "hacking" and the fate of the world resting on poker games where everyone at the table is not there to play poker. When it works it works, and when it doesn't it really doesn't. I mean, Bond has always been chasing genre trends. Remember the blaxploitation, kung fu, and random sci-fi poo poo that Moore did? Or how the Brosnan films very abruptly switched gears to modern 90s action before getting into the XTREME trend with Die Another Day? They've always been reactionary, not trendsetting. Jose Oquendo posted:The opening sequence at that giant dish is awesome You...may want to rewatch the movie.
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May 14, 2020 05:58
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chitoryu12 posted:I mean, Bond has always been chasing genre trends. Remember the blaxploitation, kung fu, and random sci-fi poo poo that Moore did? Or how the Brosnan films very abruptly switched gears to modern 90s action before getting into the XTREME trend with Die Another Day? They've always been reactionary, not trendsetting. not always. the first couple of Connery movies were legitimately trend setting and established much of the globe-trotting glamorous super-spy genre tropes. it was fresh in 1962 and very different to previous spy movies like the early Hitchcocks or grittier Second World War Europe or Cold War thrillers. in the later Connery movies, and onwards through all the rest till now, that they started chasing every current trend. which is understandable from a desire to keep things fresh and differentiate each new film from the huge number of imitators that early Bond had spawned in cinema and TV. shame that so many of those attempts (the sci-fi stuff in Moonraker) just really suck and date the movies badly.
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May 14, 2020 09:23
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Cerv posted:not always. the first couple of Connery movies were legitimately trend setting and established much of the globe-trotting glamorous super-spy genre tropes. it was fresh in 1962 and very different to previous spy movies like the early Hitchcocks or grittier Second World War Europe or Cold War thrillers. The first few movies were close adaptations of the books, which had been written in the 1950s. The only major changes had been editing the content to remove the most objectionable sex and violence and adding dry humor to try and offset what remained.
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May 14, 2020 13:50
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chitoryu12 posted:I mean, Bond has always been chasing genre trends. I’ll never forget the transition from Connery’s bog standard Diamonds Are Forever to Moore’s Live And Let Die. Connery is driving a moon vehicle through the desert with silly music and then BAM Moore is in a New York back alley seconds away from getting murdered by drug dealers. I’ll always remember that weird feeling of “this is too real” that I felt when I first saw that scene. That movie, and his run, got more and more fantastical though.
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May 14, 2020 15:05
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Live and Let Die is batshit crazy and kinda racist, but in a very wierd and confusing way. The president of not Hati is a New York City drug lord who can get you murdered by a parade in Louisiana. All black people are in on everything that he does in the movie, except the black CIA agent who openly mocks James Bond for being ridiculous.
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May 14, 2020 16:01
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Jose Oquendo posted:I'm one of those weirdos that doesn't like Goldeneye too much. The opening sequence at that giant dish is awesome but everything else is just meh for me. All his other movies don't do anything for me at all. I'm not quite sure what it is about them. I just don't like the way they look. If I want a more action-y Bond, I'll watch Dalton. The soundtrack would have you believe it was like a Never Say Never Again kind of movie because it certainly does not sound like most Bond movies (other than the credits song of course).
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May 14, 2020 16:18
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Jose Oquendo posted:I'm one of those weirdos that doesn't like Goldeneye too much. The opening sequence at that giant dish is awesome but everything else is just meh for me. It has a communist train, which elevates it over most other Bond movies that by and large do not feature trains, and when they do they are just regular trains.
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May 14, 2020 17:44
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I watched Goldeneye this morning. It's fine. It's better than I remember it being. It's high-middle tier Bond. Now onto Tomorrow Never Dies.
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May 14, 2020 17:56
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Goldeneye was an attempt to consciously modernize Bond. It works today because they left behind a lot of the traditional formula in favor of a modern action movie style that's still common today.
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May 14, 2020 18:02
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chitoryu12 posted:Goldeneye was an attempt to consciously modernize Bond. It works today because they left behind a lot of the traditional formula in favor of a modern action movie style that's still common today. I always felt that was more the case with the Dalton movies. Living Daylights in particular. Dalton's the least horny Bond. It's been a while, but as I recall he doesn't get with Carey Lowell at all until the end and their relationship actually felt earned. The Dalton movies also pull from stuff like Die Hard which to me is still the blueprint for modern action movies. You are right about Goldeneye in that they ignore some of the 'traditional' Bond stuff, which for some reason they went right back to in the subsequent movies.
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May 14, 2020 18:14
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I guess I'm a bit unique in that I prefer Tomorrow Never Dies over The World is not Enough.
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May 14, 2020 18:17
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I'd like to add that the Craig movies (and whoever does it going forward) desperately need a Jack Wade (Joe Don Baker) character. He's great in the first two Brosnan movies.
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May 14, 2020 18:35
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Laughing Zealot posted:I guess I'm a bit unique in that I prefer Tomorrow Never Dies over The World is not Enough. I do too. It's not as good as Goldeneye but it's better than TWINE, which I've just never quite liked. Even if not all that much was done with it, I've always thought bringing Bond back together with one of his previous women was a fresh plot device.
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May 14, 2020 18:40
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Jose Oquendo posted:I'd like to add that the Craig movies (and whoever does it going forward) desperately need a Jack Wade (Joe Don Baker) character. He's great in the first two Brosnan movies. Jack Wade is just a replacement for Felix because Felix was eaten by sharks. Only Felix got replaced by Sheriff Pepper. If it was anyone but Mitchell-Joe Don Baker, it would be annoying as hell like Sheriff Pepper was. I do like the in-joke of Goldeneye that only big Bond fans get the impact of (every Bond through Living Daylights basically had Bond enlist troops to raid the evil base before the final fight; Wade just showed up after everything was already done).
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May 14, 2020 19:04
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Laughing Zealot posted:I guess I'm a bit unique in that I prefer Tomorrow Never Dies over The World is not Enough. Most people did/do? TWINE has the better actors overall, but the set pieces aren't that good at all and Christmas Jones is universally mocked.
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May 14, 2020 19:07
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Darko posted:Jack Wade is just a replacement for Felix because Felix was eaten by sharks. Only Felix got replaced by Sheriff Pepper. Exactly. If we get another Felix stand-in, why can't he be a funny character like Joe Don Baker. They can do that and not necessarily make him an idiot like Pepper.
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May 14, 2020 19:15
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Is it just me or is Goldeneye the most intentionally-funny Bond movie? Between Wade and Boris with his "I'M INVINCIBLEEEEE" that movie had a lot of genuinely good comic relief.
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May 14, 2020 19:47
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Darko posted:Most people did/do? TWINE has the better actors overall, but the set pieces aren't that good at all and Christmas Jones is universally mocked. Yeah it's just a more entertaining movie overall. Michelle Yeoh holds her own, Stamper is a fun Aryan strongman, Jonathan Pryce is constantly chewing the scenery, and both the car park and motorcycle scenes are pretty solid. I agree with the opinion that Quantum of Solace is better than Spectre though. Cacator fucked around with this message at 20:37 on May 14, 2020 |
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May 14, 2020 20:34
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The worst thing about the Craig movies is having there be continuity between films. Come on, just go back to making stand alone flicks with a few reoccurring characters.
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May 14, 2020 20:55
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TWINE has an issue with not being able to fully commit to the villain twist. Having the initial Bond Girl turn out to be the bad guy is a great idea, but she gets killed off abruptly not long after the reveal and Bond is left to fight her thuggish partner who's severely underdeveloped as a character. It would have been much better to leave them both alive until the finale and have her be the last one left to kill or imprison.
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May 14, 2020 21:24
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Cacator posted:Yeah it's just a more entertaining movie overall. Michelle Yeoh holds her own, Stamper is a fun Aryan strongman, Jonathan Pryce is constantly chewing the scenery, and both the car park and motorcycle scenes are pretty solid.
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May 14, 2020 22:19
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Payndz posted:To me, each of the Craig Bonds has been worse (in different ways) than the one before. QOS was a rushed, frenziedly-edited mess with a feeble and unthreatening villain, Skyfall was beautifully shot but boring - which is probably the worst thing a Bond movie can be - and Spectre just a nonsensical clusterfuck of stupidity and contrivance. I have very, very low expectations for Time To Die, No. Personal opinion, but nothing as beautifully shot as Skyfall can be boring to me. I just watched QoS yesterday and can't remember a drat thing about it except tiny bits and pieces, and the action sequences are utterly unwatchable and I literally started skipping them and doing other stuff when they came up.
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May 14, 2020 23:22
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Darko posted:Personal opinion, but nothing as beautifully shot as Skyfall can be boring to me. They watched the quick cuts and shaky cam from the Bourne movies and thought well people like that so let's do two thousand times as much of it. The action at the beginning isn't bad, the car chase and then Bond fighting the infiltrator, but it gets so bad from there. I do love the opera house scene though. They clearly had some good big ideas, just poorly executed. Also I can't get over that the evil villain's plan is happening in real life right now and has been for years, and hardly anyone cares. Imagine being a Coca-Cola or Nestle executive at the theater to check out the new Bond film, and hey, uhhh, is this about me? I'd probably rather watch it than Spectre though.
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May 14, 2020 23:48
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poo poo I'd rate Die another Day over Spectre (excluding the opening sequence). At least the former is entertainingly stupid.
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May 15, 2020 10:10
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I have seen exactly three Bond movies in full and all but the first fifteen to twenty minutes of Goldeneye, but they (and a lot of action movies) seem like they're all just vacations to exotic places.
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May 15, 2020 13:32
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