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Turks
Nov 16, 2006

Something has gone wrong, his transformation into red skull seems to have paused.

Turks fucked around with this message at 08:13 on May 14, 2020

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Breakfast Burrito
Aug 8, 2007


This reads like a parody

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

Turks posted:

Any attempt to reduce house prices that affects everyone equally regardless of their circumstances is doomed to fail. The only way to reduce house prices is to make them unattractive as an investment.

As it stands the price of housing is determined by what people can pay. If you reduce the tax then the difference will immediately be eaten into by the seller.

Some things which would help are:
1)Taxing property you don't live in.
2)empty house tax.
3)increasing tax load for additional owned properties (say 10% extra stamp tax for every property you already own)

All your suggestions are things to overcomplicate (Catholic Church might not like the last line for instance) and keep on the cottage industry of tax minimization through property. One of the intents of the broad based land tax is specifically to tax the house people live in so that empty nesters and the like downsize instead of keeping the 4BR +study (which then keeps a family sized house in the market for families). Additionally; in its simple state, it is already a very progressive tax because most rich people want to live in the luxury that comes with likes of a >3.5M AUD Peppermint Grove cottage whilst I was happy to live in a house that was worth ~240k in 2010.

A good example is my 70+ yr old father, has a hundred acres near Gympie - 6BR home built in the 30's + separate shed/granny flat, awesome garden, lovely orchid and no intent to sell the property - he bought it with a war service loan in the 70's so it is capital gain tax exempt but not stamp duty exempt. With a land tax, he would be paying a percentage of the assessed value each year (which would presumably be a lot more than rates) so all of a sudden, it gets real on whether he really needs that property or maybe he should downsize into a 2BR unit in town which would be a cheaper exercise now as he would not be coughing up to help pay for two sets of stamp duty as he transfers.

A Wild Animal
Dec 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
https://twitter.com/ConnorCJolley/status/1260826766085505024

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

MR. STUPID MORON
WITH AN UGLY FACE
AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
by Roger Hargreaves

Brothers and sisters are natural enemies.

Like Fascists and Socialists.
Or Anarchists and Socialists.
Or Capitalists and Socialists.

Or Socialists and Other Socialists.

drat Socialists! They ruined socialism!

Wizard Master
Mar 25, 2008

Electric Wrigglies posted:

All your suggestions are things to overcomplicate (Catholic Church might not like the last line for instance) and keep on the cottage industry of tax minimization through property. One of the intents of the broad based land tax is specifically to tax the house people live in so that empty nesters and the like downsize instead of keeping the 4BR +study (which then keeps a family sized house in the market for families). Additionally; in its simple state, it is already a very progressive tax because most rich people want to live in the luxury that comes with likes of a >3.5M AUD Peppermint Grove cottage whilst I was happy to live in a house that was worth ~240k in 2010.

A good example is my 70+ yr old father, has a hundred acres near Gympie - 6BR home built in the 30's + separate shed/granny flat, awesome garden, lovely orchid and no intent to sell the property - he bought it with a war service loan in the 70's so it is capital gain tax exempt but not stamp duty exempt. With a land tax, he would be paying a percentage of the assessed value each year (which would presumably be a lot more than rates) so all of a sudden, it gets real on whether he really needs that property or maybe he should downsize into a 2BR unit in town which would be a cheaper exercise now as he would not be coughing up to help pay for two sets of stamp duty as he transfers.

Sounds to me like the lunatics are running the asylum

Sulla Faex
May 14, 2010

No man ever did me so much good, or enemy so much harm, but I repaid him with ENDLESS SHITPOSTING
If we assume that access to housing is a fundemental human right, as we assume it is for access to water and food and education and health, and if we assume that the government is in theory at least somewhat responsible to its citizens for ensuring access to these fundamental rights, it seems more reasonable to me that we should approach the discussion from the perspective of how we reach these minimum obligations and then provide a ground floor for the market to compete with, rather than asking how we can manipulate the specifics of a system that is inherently, specifically aimed at turning a fundamental human right into a speculation-driven commodity. It's like giving a sociopath control over your children's education -- if your goal is to have it as cheap as possible, great! If you actually care about a minimum level of assured quality, then maybe you shouldn't let a sociopath dictate the range and desirability of given solutions - your motivations and goals absolutely do not coincide.

Basically what I'm asking is, is there something inherently bad about the idea of an increased state role in the direct supply of housing (particularly high density and semi-planned neighbourhoods), or is it that it's just not considered politically feasible in Australia? Or do we just assume that the only thing less competent than the "free market" to manage human rights is the state?

I don't mind the idea of some level of speculation in the housing market, there will always be people who want (and can afford) more, but it should be restricted to a reasonable portion, not the whole drat thing.

Sulla Faex
May 14, 2010

No man ever did me so much good, or enemy so much harm, but I repaid him with ENDLESS SHITPOSTING
And creating/perpetuating a system whereby the greatest part of most people's conceptual wealth is directly reliant upon rampant speculation and the commoditisation of a fundamental human right.. seems counter-intuitive to me? It's like giving your slaves part share in a collar-and-shackle manufacturing plant - to earn their individual freedom, they must perpetuate the system that created them.

Maybe that's a bit floral but I just woke up

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

Bulk housing designed and built by a group that wont live in it (public servants, consultants) tended towards failure. While the UK was building disastrous estates, Australia was mandating a portion of new development be set aside to low income housing. It avoided the concentrations of under privileged and tended to minimize the rise of gated estates that have become a thing in the US. Over time the mandating went the way of the dodo I think because if eroded developer profits and people tend to not like living near the underprivileged.

I would like for the distributed public/low income housing to come back somehow but in my exposure to providing housing for others, I know it is a really soul destroyingly thankless task that is much harder than you would think possible.

thatbastardken
Apr 23, 2010

A contract signed by a minor is not binding!
we should get austrian expertise, they have some pretty nice public housing

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

Some goons overreact. Go figure.

Electric Wrigglies posted:

Bulk housing designed and built by a group that wont live in it (public servants, consultants) tended towards failure. While the UK was building disastrous estates, Australia was mandating a portion of new development be set aside to low income housing. It avoided the concentrations of under privileged and tended to minimize the rise of gated estates that have become a thing in the US. Over time the mandating went the way of the dodo I think because if eroded developer profits and people tend to not like living near the underprivileged.

I would like for the distributed public/low income housing to come back somehow but in my exposure to providing housing for others, I know it is a really soul destroyingly thankless task that is much harder than you would think possible.

Strongly agree with all of this post. We need to be creating greater minimum requirements for public housing in new developments (e.g. minimum 15% of the properties in the build should be earmarked as public housing), and creating greater incentives for developers to build more (e.g. you want to build an extra floor? Okay great 50% of it has to be low-income housing).

Housing is just one part of the picture, unfortunately. We need a lot more early intervention services but the problem is, a lot of the people who would benefit the most from them would be totally opposed. I honestly don't know how you help those people, or their children (short of removal, which is its own can of worms).

The Before Times
Mar 8, 2014

Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

thatbastardken posted:

we should get austrian expertise, they have some pretty nice public housing

Karl Marx Hof :getin:

hawaiian_robot
Dec 5, 2006

And I'm happy just to sit here,
At a table with old friends.
And see which one of us can tell the biggest lies
https://twitter.com/AusOpinion/status/1260703191173197824?s=20

hell yeah, mega normal take about a bunch of people not dying

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe
Man whose car has not slammed into a wall: "I guess I didn't need to brake after all"

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

hawaiian_robot posted:

https://twitter.com/AusOpinion/status/1260703191173197824?s=20

hell yeah, mega normal take about a bunch of people not dying

What's the bet it is not really a tilt at the modelling in context of the Covid discussion but more in that one of the refrains of the anti anthropic global climate change theorists is that modelling of global climate is too chaotic to be successfully modelled and therefore any conclusions drawn from them are likely to fit the agenda of the modeler as opposed to reality.

This is yelling again "Don't trust the models!"

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

blindidiotgod posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/beneltham/status/1260407662291779584

https://www.nteu.org.au/covid-19/jobs_protection_framework

There's a bruhaha building around this - mostly around the NTEU Nationals acting unilaterally in regards to even considering putting pay cuts on the table for negotiation, let alone building it into a framework they're getting signed off on.

I am... unsure on my position. Sure, i'd hate to lose my pay, but if it does help to secure jobs, that'll be pretty great over all, the pay cut doesn't affect low-paid or casuals and has a requirement of university executives also signing up for a bigger pay cut.

I think I land on agreeing with Ben Eltham in this - sure it's not great but saving as many jobs as possible with what seems like robust processes for removing this framework when the COVID and international student crisis has passed seems good on the face of it?
I can understand the need for full throated disagreement with paycuts and sympathise with the position, but if it helps save tenuously employed and those lower on the totem pole, why not?

There’s a large likelihood that no casual academics will remain employed now at my institution, so basically the time to do anything university related was 10 years ago, RIP

SHALASHASKA HAWKE
Nov 10, 2016

No child soldier in poverty by 1990

thatbastardken posted:

we should get austrian expertise, they have some pretty nice public housing

what even is austria. sounds like a cough.

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

Recoome posted:

There’s a large likelihood that no casual academics will remain employed now at my institution, so basically the time to do anything university related was 10 years ago, RIP

I mean the Jobs protection framework explicitly prevents unis from shifting casual workloads onto ongoing staff, and it's retrospective once signed onto so this shouldn't be happening.

That said there's a weird hosed up perversion going on among the VOTE NO campaigners that the emphasis should be on protecting casual employees who, legally speaking, never had a loving leg to stand on, rather than fighting for conversion and real job security.

There SHOULDN'T be any causal employees teaching at our universities, they should all be made ongoing.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
I saw the photo of Dutton on the last page and thought, "Wow, his head's getting rounder and rounder. I should open Photoshop and map it to a sphere."

Then I wondered if I could make it spin, and now it's doing this and I don't know how to make it stop.

https://i.imgur.com/DRxZIOF.mp4

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

that's. wow.

Mr Chips
Jun 27, 2007
Whose arse do I have to blow smoke up to get rid of this baby?

hawaiian_robot posted:

https://twitter.com/AusOpinion/status/1260703191173197824?s=20

hell yeah, mega normal take about a bunch of people not dying

wasn't the point of the models that, if we did roughly what we ended up doing, it'd stop a UK/Italy style breakout?

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Sending the grim reaper out of business seems like a good news story.

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

JBP posted:

Sending the grim reaper out of business seems like a good news story.

Johannes Leak craves the deaths he was promised.

Nutsak
Jul 21, 2005
All balls.
That comic also implies there's a Reaper for each country because he's fuckin' flat out in America.

bandaid.friend
Apr 25, 2017

:obama:My first car was a stick:obama:
There were three Australian reapers, but after death services were privatised there's one reaper on the same pay for twice the cost

Homora Gaykemi
Apr 30, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

Nutsak posted:

That comic also implies there's a Reaper for each country because he's fuckin' flat out in America.

[300,000 people dead from COVID-19 worldwide]

Leak, Dribblings of Leak: "The reaper in the dole line lol"

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Electric Wrigglies posted:

What's the bet it is not really a tilt at the modelling in context of the Covid discussion but more in that one of the refrains of the anti anthropic global climate change theorists is that modelling of global climate is too chaotic to be successfully modelled and therefore any conclusions drawn from them are likely to fit the agenda of the modeler as opposed to reality.

This is yelling again "Don't trust the models!"

You’re giving way too much credit to the mental capacity of:
-climate sceptics
-COVID sceptics
-The son of a man who couldn’t work out how to operate a balcony

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

l o loving l

snoremac
Jul 27, 2012

I LOVE SEEING DEAD BABIES ON 𝕏, THE EVERYTHING APP. IT'S WORTH IT FOR THE FOLLOWING TAB.

Breakfast Burrito posted:

This reads like a parody
It's like the South Park episode with all the atheist factions at war.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006


My "Not run by Nazi's" headline has people asking a lot of questions already answered by my headline.

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Don Dongington posted:

I mean the Jobs protection framework explicitly prevents unis from shifting casual workloads onto ongoing staff, and it's retrospective once signed onto so this shouldn't be happening.

That said there's a weird hosed up perversion going on among the VOTE NO campaigners that the emphasis should be on protecting casual employees who, legally speaking, never had a loving leg to stand on, rather than fighting for conversion and real job security.

There SHOULDN'T be any causal employees teaching at our universities, they should all be made ongoing.

I mean you say this but it's already happened. In my department, any marking that would be given to the casuals have already been put back onto the permanent staff. Like I get it, us casuals are the first against the wall but it's not for lack of trying, like seriously I'd love to be in some form of permanent work but I'm also finishing my doctoral thesis so.

Like it's good that we'll be able to protect the majority of jobs or whatever and we really shouldn't be opposing this at all, but I'm definitely loving the fact that it's ONCE AGAIN the younger academics who are being toasted by this, but that's life.

Can't wait to finish my degree and punch out of academia/the university sector forever.

Recoome fucked around with this message at 00:37 on May 15, 2020

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-15/coronavirus-queensland-virgin-australia-explainer/12247046

It seems to me the real story here is how did the Federal Government manage to put over $200 million into REX to keep them flying without gaining any fiscal position in the company. With the additional side effect of putting the Singapore owned company in a position to now compete with the beleaguered Virgin Australia. I mean how many time do you get to screw the same pooch?

And the whole other story here is how the gently caress do you get to be $7 Billion dollars in debt before anyone decided it might be a good idea to start unfucking yourself. The idiots at the helm of Virgin Australia saw the mountain surely at around $1 Billion debt and thought it would be a good idea to burn another six flying straight at it. Named and Shamed please.

https://www.virginaustralia.com/au/en/about-us/company-overview/virgin-australia-board-of-directors/

tl;dr - Ms Elizabeth Bryan AM BA (Econ.), MA (Econ.):roflolmao: , Mr Paul Scurrah (ex travel agent), Mr Trevor Bourne MBA :suicide:, Mr Ken Dean B.Com (Hons), FCPA, FAICD :roflolmao:, Air Chief Marshal Sir Angus Houston, AK, AFC (Ret’d), Ms Judith Swales B.Sc, Mr Ray Gammell Bachelor of Arts degree, Master’s degree in Business Studies,:roflolmao:, Mr Hou Wei (?) , Mr Kevin Xing Master in Applied Finance, Bachelor of Finance,:roflolmao:, Mr Warwick Negus BBus (UTS), MCom (UNSW), SF Fin :roflolmao:, Mr Marvin Tan BA International Relations. There surely must be some HECS debt refunds available to these victims of such poor financial management training.

-/-

In further wtf actually news: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-12/no-evidence-document-angus-taylor-criticised-clover-moore-over/12239994

quote:

key points:
* Police found no evidence a draft version of the document Angus Taylor referred to existed
* The AFP formed "no concluded view" on whether the document used by Mr Taylor was forged
* The Federal Opposition is planning to ramp up the pressure on the Minister in Parliament this week

:itwaspoo: Can't image why having the Kartoffelfurher as head of the AFP would make anyone even suspect a different result. This is 100% gold plated bullshit. gently caress this.

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

Recoome posted:

I mean you say this but it's already happened. In my department, any marking that would be given to the casuals have already been put back onto the permanent staff. Like I get it, us casuals are the first against the wall but it's not for lack of trying, like seriously I'd love to be in some form of permanent work but I'm also finishing my doctoral thesis so.

Like it's good that we'll be able to protect the majority of jobs or whatever and we really shouldn't be opposing this at all, but I'm definitely loving the fact that it's ONCE AGAIN the younger academics who are being toasted by this, but that's life.

Can't wait to finish my degree and punch out of academia/the university sector forever.

Yeah I mean we live in a country where the majority of people doing the teaching ~3 months ago can be fired with 30 mins notice and no severance beyond any hours worked and not yet paid. People are suggesting the NTEU has never cared about this, but that's totally false. We recognise that for the union to survive, we can't have the majority of our members in insecure work, and that it's only a matter of time before ongoing staff start finding themselves casually employed after the latest round of restructure musical chairs, so even those of us in "safe" tenured spots started to appreciate the risk a few years ago. Our key focus over the last few years has been to fight casualisation, but also find ways to be more welcoming and inclusive to casual members. Part of that involved us dropping the rates for casual members significantly, and then when COVID hit, we dropped them entirely. Casual membership is now free.

The Jobs protection Framework provides more job security to casuals than ever before. If a university signs on - which they will need to do to get access to the fraction reduction for ongoing staff - any casuals put out of work from sometime in march need to be considered for any new work that comes along. Any work that was historically performed by casuals must remain with casuals. This also applies to fixed term staff. The NTEU and University joint committee are the arbiters of this operation, and if the uni start playing sillybuggers, they end up back in the poo poo. Casual and Fixed Term staff will be more secure in their allocation of work and continuation of employment than ever before under this scheme.

As for the argument being trotted out by No Concessions "What about the casuals who lost their jobs before march 18" or whenever the key dates are - What the actual gently caress do you expect us to be able to do about that? Seriously? We've fought ongoing creeping casualisation for years, we've campaigned on it for a decade or more, we can't change history, the abortion that is the fair work act or neoliberalism, and we can't suddenly become all powerful. But holy poo poo, if this deal gets up, the union will have more power to hold universities to account than ever before, and you betcha we'll be using it to fight against insecure work, as well as redundancies and untenable workloads.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

REX can go and gently caress right off imo. They tried to stand over rural councils in SA, telling them if you dare collect rates or regional airport fees from us we're going to cut your services indefinitely under the guise of COVID-19. To my knowledge every council told them to gently caress off rather than being scabs.

bandaid.friend
Apr 25, 2017

:obama:My first car was a stick:obama:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-15/eight-new-coronavirus-infections-recorded-in-nsw/12248890

quote:

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has warned people to stay off Sydney's public transport network at peak times, as the state relaxes some coronavirus restrictions.
She said the number of passengers using public transport had increased in the past week, and that buses and trains were already at capacity when social-distancing was factored in.
"We don't want anymore people at this stage catching public transport in the peak," she said.
"If you're not already on the bus or the train in the morning, do not catch public transport in the peak.
"We know overseas public transport, unfortunately, was the main reason the disease spread."
Why are more people taking risky public transport this week. We may never know

The Before Times
Mar 8, 2014

Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

bandaid.friend posted:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-15/eight-new-coronavirus-infections-recorded-in-nsw/12248890

Why are more people taking risky public transport this week. We may never know

Right??? how else do they think people are going to go do the things they are allowed to do again? Do they think everyone drives?

HazCat
May 4, 2009

The Before Times posted:

Do they think everyone drives?

Of course they do.

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice
Derr just Uber 45 mins each way to your 4 hour minimum wage hospo shift it's not that hard people

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

All government policy and messaging is built off the strong foundation of No Take!! Only Throw.

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Centusin
Aug 5, 2009

The Before Times posted:

Right??? how else do they think people are going to go do the things they are allowed to do again? Do they think everyone drives?

Get a bicycle and enjoy the non-existent cycling infrastructure!

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