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forkboy84 posted:There are so many channels out there, commercial channels, that cater to an audience wanting mindless entertainment. There's a case to be made that that's not the best use of the license fee. That yeah, maybe it is a bit snooty but maybe the BBC should spend more on its news output, more on its educational programmes and cultural output and less on dancing with celebrities. That ratings shouldn't actually be a major concern for a public service broadcaster like it is for a commercial broadcaster. I'm not saying cancel Eastenders but the whole point of a public service broadcaster is it can make the sort of programmes that a channel that needs high viewership to earn ad revenue can't. But it really doesn't so much any more. Even the decent sciencey stuff needs to be overly flashy and Brian Cox has to visit half a dozen different countries to film one episode about Venus. entertainment is a public service though. "Inform, Educate & Entertain" there is a balance to be struck amongst how much is done of each at what cost, but that is balancing within different types of public service. it is not the case that you are balancing entertainment against public service.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Propping open doors probably breaking a bunch of fire codes anyway. H&S Paradox as long as you use one of those magnetic door holder that's linked to the fire alarm to release if that goes off it's fine.
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Isomermaid posted:It's loving telling though that the TERF answer to "cleaning is labour predominantly done by women for no wages regardless of if they are working full time" isn't "fairly distribute the household's cleaning duties amongst everyone" but "hire a poorer woman to do it for you". If your idea of feminism is content to throw minorities under the bus, and dispose of class concerns it's no surprise it also can't deal with the concept of trans people, and it's no wonder that more and more people see straight through it. 100% agree White Feminism is trash.
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Guavanaut posted:How was the hot higher pressure than the mains under the old system? Guessing electric hot water heater with a pump in or something, which should really have a big sticker on warning against those types of mixers (not that people heed stickers, but anything that blasts gross roof water into the mains sounds like something to avoid). Or was it a block of flats? Block of flats, but the bigger problem is just how much mains pressure fluctuates around here, to the point where some mornings it can't even get water into my cistern on the first floor - which is sort of the point of the cistern of course, but it probably shouldn't be such a common problem. Turns out quadrupling the residential population of a place in 10 years has some consequences.
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Replace BBC 4 with the Slipknot channel and I don't think anyone will notice I'm in favour of this plan.
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Afternoon, friends. TfL sent this yesterday, all sounds good as long as you've never been anywhere near any actual London public transport.  TfL posted:Dear xxxxxxxxx,
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sinky posted:Only 59.73% to go until we get that heard immunity Can we make any kind of sensible extrapolations from this to how many are likely to have been infected in total?
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bornbytheriver posted:Afternoon, friends. TfL sent this yesterday, all sounds good as long as you've never been anywhere near any actual London public transport. I was waiting for a Tube train at 6:25 this morning and still had to let the first one go because it was too crowded for me to keep an appropriate distance away from anyone. It's all fuuuuuuuucked
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Block of flats, but the bigger problem is just how much mains pressure fluctuates around here, to the point where some mornings it can't even get water into my cistern on the first floor - which is sort of the point of the cistern of course, but it probably shouldn't be such a common problem. Turns out quadrupling the residential population of a place in 10 years has some consequences. The flat I lived in for the last 4 years before moving here - if anyone in any of the surrounding buildings (mix of shops, offices, flats) turned their water on, it would reduce the pressure from my taps almost to the point of the water just not getting to the shower. The mains pressure was so low and those were buildings that had been there almost 150 years so not even new demand.
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josh04 posted:The kitchen tap in our flat pretty consistently has to run for 1-2 minutes while the output gets warmer and warmer before you get any cold, I'd assumed it was a terrible piping job that was doing laps around the boiler, but could it be this sort of thing? My kitchen 'mixer' tap kind of does the opposite...you have a binary choice between BOILING LAVA and cold at the best of times, but if you want the latter you've still got to wait about 30 seconds for all the BOILING LAVA to fall out of it apparently.
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Also this was only ever true for a certain proportion of the population (roughly equivalent to those that owned houses). Working class families have never had the luxury of mummy just staying home all day throughout their offsprings' childhoods.
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feedmegin posted:Working class families have never had the luxury of mummy just staying home all day throughout their offsprings' childhoods. A lot of married women would at home, but taking in laundry etc.
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feedmegin posted:My kitchen 'mixer' tap kind of does the opposite...you have a binary choice between BOILING LAVA and cold at the best of times, but if you want the latter you've still got to wait about 30 seconds for all the BOILING LAVA to fall out of it apparently. You know what I like about my bathroom sink mixer tap? Fully to the right = cold. Fully to the left = BOILING LAVA. Exactly in the centre = pleasantly warm, just right for hand washing. None of that trying to remember a random angle 3/16ths of the way between middle and hot.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:The flat I lived in for the last 4 years before moving here - if anyone in any of the surrounding buildings (mix of shops, offices, flats) turned their water on, it would reduce the pressure from my taps almost to the point of the water just not getting to the shower. The mains pressure was so low and those were buildings that had been there almost 150 years so not even new demand.  , then a kitchen remodel that allowed for a washing machine, the kitchen tap is now the furthest thing away from the water main, I think it goes bathroom > boiler > washing machine > kitchen tap, so literally anything using water (hot or cold) in the house reduces the kitchen tap to a trickle.I'm not even sure how you'd fix that without a ton of plumbing work. Also whoever fitted the kitchen tap got the hot and cold feeds the wrong way around  Oh dear me posted:A lot of married women would at home, but taking in laundry etc. Of course, in our modern age of innovative disruptors, they've managed to reinvent washerwomen but with an app.
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bornbytheriver posted:Afternoon, friends. TfL sent this yesterday, all sounds good as long as you've never been anywhere near any actual London public transport. Can't wait to see how they deal with Covent Garden station.
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Guavanaut posted:Of course, in our modern age of innovative disruptors, they've managed to reinvent washerwomen but with an app. Stupid disruptor name does not compute. Mentally pronouncing that {wæ'ʃɑː.ɹeɪ}
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Miftan posted:Can't wait to see how they deal with Covent Garden station. Ha yes. Isn't it just 2/4 lifts to get out of there unless you are able to walk 257 steps or whatever without having a heart attack?
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Cleaner chat: I've not cleaned homes for a living but I have been a hotel / pub cleaner for my sins commonly known as "money too tight to mention" but I have many (female) friends who have (many highly qualified but contrary to government rhetoric, demand for people with STEM subject doctorates is not as high as they might lead you to believe.) https://twitter.com/TabitaSurge/status/1260647664565121027?s=20
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Miftan posted:Can't wait to see how they deal with Covent Garden station. it's just closed like all stations with lift only access the stairs don't count cos they're "for emergencies only"
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Elon Musk and Grimes reveal name of new babyBobstar posted:wæ'ʃɑː.ɹeɪ
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Guavanaut posted:Elon Musk and Grimes reveal name of new baby Or "Grimey" as she liked to be called
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Cerv posted:entertainment is a public service though. Reith's slogan a) was created at a time when there were no commercial broadcasters providing entertainment b) puts entertainment last for a reason. I'm saying balance entertainment against the other functions of a public service broadcaster because right now it's very much entertain, entertain, inform, entertain, entertain, educate, entertain again.
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Not watched TV in a while, I don't even think the TV bit of my TV works any more (just says 'no signal' and I cba to debug it), but I used to like the completely random OU stuff that came on at night, do they still do that? Also does that mean I don't need a TV licence anymore? I guess it means then that I shouldn't be watching livestreams, but where do they draw the line between a broadcast livestream and a narrowcast one? Like a 1:1 Skype video call isn't live TV, but streaming C4 News is, what about attending a virtual pub gig on Facebook with 200 people watching?
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Guavanaut posted:Not watched TV in a while, I don't even think the TV bit of my TV works any more (just says 'no signal' and I cba to debug it), but I used to like the completely random OU stuff that came on at night, do they still do that? No. BBC1 just shows the BBC News channel & BBC2 is just This is BBC Two, a crappy nothing airfiller where they show "highlights" of upcoming BBC2 shows on a loop for 3 hours. It's shite.
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Guavanaut posted:Not watched TV in a while, I don't even think the TV bit of my TV works any more (just says 'no signal' and I cba to debug it), but I used to like the completely random OU stuff that came on at night, do they still do that? It's "as-live" TV. If you can tune a television to the same signal you need a license for it. (If some clever dick mentions screen sharing I will post 5,000 words about the BT Tower in this thread, I swear to god)
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Guavanaut posted:Not watched TV in a while, I don't even think the TV bit of my TV works any more (just says 'no signal' and I cba to debug it), but I used to like the completely random OU stuff that came on at night, do they still do that? IIRC, if you don't have a way to watch live TV and don't use iPlayer, you don't need a licence. Netflix or whatever is fine without one. You do have to tell them your household doesn't require one, though, or they send Ominous Letters.
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Guavanaut posted:Not watched TV in a while, I don't even think the TV bit of my TV works any more (just says 'no signal' and I cba to debug it), but I used to like the completely random OU stuff that came on at night, do they still do that? the OU stopped broadcasting on the BBC in 2006 grandad it's all online now.
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Josef bugman posted:Isn't it also rubbish now? It's not what it once was. You used to be able to study more or less what you wanted, and now you have to follow 'pathways'. For level 1 courses you often don't get individual comments on submitted work, there's just a generic document covering all the issues raised (like an examiners' report from A-level exams) and you have to guess which comments apply to you. And it is now extremely expensive. If you don't need the piece of paper
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Josef bugman posted:Isn't it also rubbish now? Beast got starved. Such is neoliberal hellworld
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gh0stpinballa posted:oh loving hell 😔 This island doesn't deserve him 😢
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forkboy84 posted:Reith's slogan a) was created at a time when there were no commercial broadcasters providing entertainment b) puts entertainment last for a reason. I'm saying balance entertainment against the other functions of a public service broadcaster because right now it's very much entertain, entertain, inform, entertain, entertain, educate, entertain again. You may see that sooner than you might think, albeit probably not how you might envision it - if the BBC acquires all its non-news programming via open tender, then there is no real reason for that part of its expenditure to be funded via the license tax thirty years after cable television and ten years into the triumph of video-on-demand. The news portion is a tiny share of its expenditures and could be paid for with much fewer fee payers, a much lower fee, or both. The loss would of course be that the UK would no longer have common cultural media touchstones, but how much longer this was going to last has always been questionable anyway.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:It's "as-live" TV. If you can tune a television to the same signal you need a license for it. That was long before YouTube and Chromecasted FB Live virtual gigs on your TV set, so I wonder where the line is drawn. goddamnedtwisto posted:(If some clever dick mentions screen sharing I will post 5,000 words about the BT Tower in this thread, I swear to god) Cerv posted:the OU stopped broadcasting on the BBC in 2006 grandad
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ronya posted:You may see that sooner than you might think, albeit probably not how you might envision it - if the BBC acquires all its non-news programming via open tender, then there is no real reason for that part of its expenditure to be funded via the license tax thirty years after cable television and ten years into the triumph of video-on-demand. The news portion is a tiny share of its expenditures and could be paid for with much fewer fee payers, a much lower fee, or both. Do we have that many "common cultural media touchstones" at this point? Even if we do is it actually much of a loss? And this was entirely the opposite of what I was arguing for so of course you say it's what I want. I love you ronya. Stay safe during the pandemic.
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forkboy84 posted:There are so many channels out there, commercial channels, that cater to an audience wanting mindless entertainment. There's a case to be made that that's not the best use of the license fee. That yeah, maybe it is a bit snooty but maybe the BBC should spend more on its news output, more on its educational programmes and cultural output and less on dancing with celebrities. That ratings shouldn't actually be a major concern for a public service broadcaster like it is for a commercial broadcaster. I'm not saying cancel Eastenders but the whole point of a public service broadcaster is it can make the sort of programmes that a channel that needs high viewership to earn ad revenue can't. But it really doesn't so much any more. Even the decent sciencey stuff needs to be overly flashy and Brian Cox has to visit half a dozen different countries to film one episode about Venus. I agree with this. Nothing wrong with entertainment of any sort in a vacuum, but the point of a publically funded broadcaster is precisely to be able to make the documentaries and exposés and what have you which aren't thought, by the commercial broadcasters and their advertisers, to be financially viable, or alternatively which may attract criticism and controversy they don't want to deal with. Theoretically, one of the great merits of the beeb is that they can put out things about, I dunno, trains in the 1920s whose viewership is made up almost entirely of the population of this thread, because they don't have to give a poo poo that it won't bring in the big bucks - it can make something niche, or obscure, or the like.
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forkboy84 posted:Do we have that many "common cultural media touchstones" at this point? Even if we do is it actually much of a loss? about a tenth of the UK watch EastEnders, GBBO, Britain's Got Talent, etc. each. It is a far cry from the 1980s when over half of the country could tune in to major episodes, but it's still a lot. I agree, it's the opposite of what you are envisioning - however it is I think in tune with what is actually happening and has been happening since the mid-1980s: that slow-motion campaign to convert the BBC to a subscription service. I'm not saying "ha ha ha, you actually want this thing you don't want", I'm saying "this is already happening albeit via means you don't want". The hardest parts have already been carried out: BBC Worldwide (now Studios) has proven that it can market its content outside the UK. An institutional standard of marking the success of non-news productions to competitive export market standards is already in place. What remains is for the BBC to steadily open its remaining programming to public tender (where BBC Studios would merely be one out of many producers), which it is in fact already doing. The somewhat awkward current status is that BBC Studios is failing at this, in the opinion of the NAO, because it is unexpectedly unsuccessful at selling its content to non-BBC broadcasters and conversely too successful at winning tenders to BBC-owned IP it is currently already producing. Teething troubles, no doubt.
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