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I read some Sarah Ditum columns in the Guardian so that you don't have to. This one makes an interesting point:quote:The same question applies whenever sex is turned into a transaction: what does “yes” even mean? When a man pays a woman to have sex with him, or a woman is paid to have sex on camera for the purposes of pornography, what does “yes” even mean if saying “no” would stop her from affording rent or eating a meal? Because there definitely is a question of consent and power disparity whenever someone has a financial advantage over another, and when someone is part of the class that has to sell their labor in order to survive, and we can have all kinds of debates about workers' rights, ethical consumption under capitalism, and how to treat people in the service industry. Like why apparently she thinks this doesn't occur when she asks her cleaner if she'd like to clean her filthy toilet during a pandemic because her manchild husband won't step away from his video legos for 15 minutes and put on a pair of marigolds, what does “yes” even mean if saying “no” would stop her from affording rent or eating a meal? 79 is 76 more than the number of Sarah Ditum columns I read in the Guardian.
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Guavanaut posted:It was the loss of mass membership that allowed a cabal of useless shits to take over in the first place, I'm not convinced that mass abandoning the party will make the neolibs, centrists, careerists and Blue Labour crew learn any lesson, low membership low engagement parties are the sewer in which they swim. Keep paying the Labour party money! Keep funding the people who hate you, despite personal circumstances! If you don't then it's your fault! We had mass membership, and it didn't afford us any way of getting rid of the people working against a Labour government. All it did was give them access to more money.
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May 15, 2020 13:41
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Sarah might have a point if her solution wasn't just for all sex workers to just starve and die.
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Guavanaut posted:I read some Sarah Ditum columns in the Guardian so that you don't have to. This one makes an interesting point: I have been calling her Sarah Diddums. As in 'poor Diddums cannot get her husband to turn off minecraft and hoover a bedroom'.
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Feeling a bit poo poo today, is there any good news besides people are joining unions? Just feel dead poo poo about coronavirus deaths, bootlickers, this 'hero' bullshit, internal Labour politics, hints at infinite austerity, another decade the Tories in power, climate change, the effects automation will have on the regions, a toxic media and just a general sense of alienation from the public. Finding it hard to feel comradely when most people I talk to seem intent on death, regressive in their views not just in decades but centuries. I know I should mostly care about stuff I can change and keep a bean of hope for a better tomorrow, but I also just want to just gently caress everything off e: not in like a suicide way, like sit in a forest with some cans kind of way justcola fucked around with this message at 13:59 on May 15, 2020 |
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May 15, 2020 13:53
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We need to let Labour die and concentrate on the real fight, the fight inside the SPGB
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justcola posted:Feeling a bit poo poo today, is there any good news besides people are joining unions? Good news! Street works get underway in Greenwich! https://www.fromthemurkydepths.co.uk/2020/05/14/good-news-street-works-get-underway-in-greenwich/ Good news! Sight partially restored in the blind using electrical implants! Heat resistant corals could combat bleaching! Archaeologists working from home make new discoveries! https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/feel-good-friday-positive-news-from-the-world-of-science-and-tech/ Good news! Neville Hall (big hospital in Wales) patient leaves hospital today! https://twitter.com/AneurinBevanUHB/status/1260509041215844352 Ed: Not sure if this is good news, had my first bit of telephone spam since before the lockdown - breathless young lady "I understand you've been in an accident". The UK is returning to normal. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 14:06 on May 15, 2020 |
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May 15, 2020 14:03
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justcola posted:Feeling a bit poo poo today, is there any good news besides people are joining unions? sit in a forest with some cans is my plan tbh beach with some cans also works maybe a field
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Tarnop posted:Keep paying the Labour party money! Keep funding the people who hate you, despite personal circumstances! If you don't then it's your fault! Keep fighting the fight with your comrades! Keep your ability to vote against the enemy! If you don't then yes, it is your fault actually. We had mass membership and were making real progress. We weakened the PLP grip on leadership nominations and got a bunch of the rightwingers to leave. Beating an entrenched enemy takes time.
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justcola posted:Feeling a bit poo poo today, is there any good news besides people are joining unions? Mate, seriously go sit in a forest with some cans. I was feeling similar to you on Wednesday - I was so wound up my partner said that I was almost radiating stress like stink lines, like the air was practically boiling around me - and I just gave up and wandered away and got drunk and listened to old music and felt a lot better. The world is hosed, if you don't want to die then leave it some other way. Chemicals are a good way
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Oh dear me posted:Keep fighting the fight with your comrades! Keep your ability to vote against the enemy! If you don't then yes, it is your fault actually. What votes will I, as a lay member, be able to participate on in the near future? Would I not be able to join before any subsequent leadership election, as many did for Corbyn? (This is largely rhetorical anyway, I never joined the party)
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you don't say https://twitter.com/HSJEditor/status/1261233998765985792?s=20
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https://twitter.com/lukey372/status/1261283033317023744?s=20 another "bing bong the governments advice is so simple, you stupid lefties" meme that, shockingly, does not understand the government's advice! if you can't work from home and can't socially distance at work, the actual government line is "tough poo poo, we've issued some completely unenforceable guidelines that your employer won't implement, now get back to work proles" quote:1. Work from home, if you can although as someone pointed out previously, their version of the government's advice is actually safer so maybe it's not such a bad thing they're morons who can't read also I hate Darren Grimes like that computer with all the nanoangstroms in it
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Oh dear me posted:Keep fighting the fight with your comrades! Keep your ability to vote against the enemy! If you don't then yes, it is your fault actually. Join the Labour Party!! Sure, we currently want to deathmarch the teachers back to school and will only countenance housing policy that protects the interests of landlords but if you don't join then how can we use your money against you? Labour: gently caress the many for the few edit also just saying palestine is anti-semitic now kyojin fucked around with this message at 15:02 on May 15, 2020 |
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May 15, 2020 15:00
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mehall posted:What votes will I, as a lay member, be able to participate on in the near future? 1 depends somewhat on your CLP. For example council election candidates matter, because councillors elect NEC members. Conference delegate elections also matter in a normal year, though possibly not this one, and the same goes for voting on motions to Conference. CLP offices esp. secretary matter because they can be used to manipulate. Obviously the next NEC elections will matter most. You currently need to have been a member for 2 months to vote in CLP meetings. For national elections the NEC decides, so expect a longer requirement next time.
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The Labour Party is never going to achieve left wing aims. If you still think it will you're absolutely deluded.
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Oh dear me posted:1 depends somewhat on your CLP. For example council election candidates matter, because councillors elect NEC members. Conference delegate elections also matter in a normal year, though possibly not this one, and the same goes for voting on motions to Conference. CLP offices esp. secretary matter because they can be used to manipulate. Obviously the next NEC elections will matter most. Yeah, having just used entryism to take over the party they're going to make sure it isn't used to take it away again.
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Jakabite posted:The Labour Party is never going to achieve left wing aims. If you still think it will you're absolutely deluded. What will?
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Two german tv personalities "won" (in a gameshow) the right from their producers to have 15 minutes of airtime and full editorial privileges for whatever they wanted. Figured you guys might find it interesting, C or captions for english subs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc0P2k7zIb4
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sebzilla posted:What will? Setting up revolutionary headquarters in the telephone exchange. Prokofiev October Cantata opus 74 with Machine Guns - Revolution https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xMD8Epbhpk
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Gonzo McFee posted:Lol shut the gently caress up It's a loving joke dude, I don't think it really deserved three people aggressively telling me what a oval office I am. I literally stopped checking this thread because instead of an outlet it turned into something actively harmful to my mental health, and months later it doesn't seem to be any different. Maybe I've missed all the good, positive stuff and just happened to turn up at yet another argument about whether to quit Labour, but it really doesn't surprise me to read posts like the one by justcola. I mean gently caress, I meet people dying of Covid who depress me less than reading a few pages here.
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Oh dear me posted:We weakened the PLP grip on leadership nominations and got a bunch of the rightwingers to leave. Lol no we didn't. The PLP weakened their own grip because they're loving idiots, and it never mattered anyway.
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sebzilla posted:What will? Socialist states have of course come out of prior governments that were trying to actively murder the poor, but they are at high risk of becoming AuthCom as gently caress and immediately turning on 'left communists'.. But even the meltiest gently caress in the leadership race ran on a promise of renationalization of transport and utilities, and if the left can't control the discourse of a party that was supposedly invented for common ownership of the means of production, then 'we've got a world to win' doesn't sound very probable.
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Jakabite posted:The Labour Party is never going to achieve left wing aims. If you still think it will you're absolutely deluded. If you were saying this under Corbyn, then ok, we just disagree. It's not that I think the Labour Party will achieve socialism alone, but I think it's a tool for the left to organize through, than which no better has yet been suggested. But if you were pro-joining-Labour under Corbyn but now, only a few weeks later, are not, then I think you're just leaving the fight to other people. jabby posted:It's a loving joke dude E: I liked your joke jabby Oh dear me fucked around with this message at 15:41 on May 15, 2020 |
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Corbyn was an accidental interlude of interesting leadership in a history with very few bright spots.
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jabby posted:It's a loving joke dude, I don't think it really deserved three people aggressively telling me what a oval office I am. I got your joke too 
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jabby posted:It's a loving joke dude, I don't think it really deserved three people aggressively telling me what a oval office I am. sorry I misunderstood your original joke, jabby, didn't mean no harm and yeah, this thread ruins my day whenever I read it, but dammit if it isn't the most trustworthy source of news I have access to
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jabby posted:It's a loving joke dude, I don't think it really deserved three people aggressively telling me what a oval office I am. More like babby.
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Labourism is real loving dumb and it's always been dumb. Part of Corbyn's appeal was the massive relief everyone had at suddenly thinking "gosh, maybe we CAN actually achieve our aims through the easiest, simplest possible form of politics, electoralism and fun party tribalism that tickles the right parts of my brain" and now the desperate hagiographies of him as not being an utterly dogshit politician and Labour being an irredeemable dogshit party are just projections of those same people frantically trying to hold on to hope that they might not actually have to come up with something else. Like, the Labour party can help, and during the brief moment where electoralism becomes relevant yeah, probably vote for Labour if you have no other options, but don't join the party or work to legitimise and endorse its role as a primacy of leftist politics. That just helps capital.
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Coohoolin posted:Labourism is real loving dumb and it's always been dumb. Part of Corbyn's appeal was the massive relief everyone had at suddenly thinking "gosh, maybe we CAN actually achieve our aims through the easiest, simplest possible form of politics, electoralism and fun party tribalism that tickles the right parts of my brain" and now the desperate hagiographies of him as not being an utterly dogshit politician and Labour being an irredeemable dogshit party are just projections of those same people frantically trying to hold on to hope that they might not actually have to come up with something else. Yeah, join the bastion of pure socialism that is the SNP instead.
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Coohoolin posted:Like, the Labour party can help, and during the brief moment where electoralism becomes relevant yeah, probably vote for Labour if you have no other options, but don't join the party or work to legitimise and endorse its role as a primacy of leftist politics. That just helps capital. If voting for the Labour Party is sensible at national elections, then voting in its internal elections is more sensible, because the electorate is far smaller and so your vote matters more. You can't say 'the Labour Party can help' and then say 'but we should do nothing to make it helpful'. Not persuasively, anyway.
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Comrade Fakename posted:Yeah, join the bastion of pure socialism that is the SNP instead. 
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sassassin posted:More like babby. Oh god how dare someone complain about being jumped on for making a joke (which tbf I didn't get at the time) And for all this parroting of 'parallel structures' I've not had anyone explain a pathway to them changing public consciousness at a national or local level, or where the funding to keep these structures come from outside of a membership structure. I can at least see how violence might change things, even if for the worse, but there's been no vision on how you change policy or politics.
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