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baka kaba posted:ok but what THREAT LEVEL are we at??? is this more of a 4.19 or a 4.20? the alert level is somewhere between 236,111.7 and 236,112 e: it was 81 sometime around march the 3rd XMNN fucked around with this message at 20:04 on May 15, 2020 |
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May 15, 2020 20:12
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Bobstar posted:Oh ye gods! My country's ruined! Star-ar-mer, with his crazy explanations, The speaker of the house is gonna need his medication! When he hears Starmer's forensic examinations, There'll be trouble in the commons tonight!
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May 15, 2020 20:17
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Cerv posted:on first scan read that as Johnson was hospitalised for his obesity You jest, but that's probably where a lot of this comes from. So many of the Torie hacks were talking about how BoJo was so strong and virile that they were shocked when he was laid low by a virus. (Showing the mindset that being sick comes from weakness.) BoJo was probably told to lose weight, and it has been amplified back to him that he only became sick because he hadn't dieted enough. So diet he shall. And (like in many families) if he has to diet, then EVERYONE must suffer. There is a very long topic and discussion to be had on obesity, how society views weight, the guilt and shame spirals around it and how it's unhealthy for everyone and feeds into the diet industries hands. But that is a topic for another time.
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May 15, 2020 20:25
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baka kaba posted:ok but what THREAT LEVEL are we at??? is this more of a 4.19 or a 4.20? I don't think that we should assume that most of the UKMT has ever moved outside of a 4.20 threat level.
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May 15, 2020 20:48
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https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1261365862474399745 How unsurprising that Covid got to the care homes.
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May 15, 2020 20:55
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Coohoolin posted:That's not the own you think it is when replying to a post about why party-ism is bad Coohoolin posted:Like, the Labour party can help, and during the brief moment where electoralism becomes relevant yeah, probably vote for Labour if you have no other options, but don't join the party or work to legitimise and endorse its role as a primacy of leftist politics. That just helps capital. You are literally a member of the SNP, a neo-liberal party that doesn’t even pretend to be socialist. At best they are the Tartan Lib-Dems.
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May 15, 2020 21:07
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Comrade Fakename posted:You are literally a member of the SNP, a neo-liberal party that doesn’t even pretend to be socialist. At best they are the Tartan Lib-Dems. In fairness, he never claimed that socialism was his goal. He wants an independent Scotland and is happy to back the Tartan Lib Dems if that's how he gets it.
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May 15, 2020 21:29
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Got to get your hands dirty if you want that national liberation
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May 15, 2020 21:32
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kingturnip posted:In fairness, he never claimed that socialism was his goal. so what you're saying is that Coohoolin is Stuart Campbell, but hopefully a lot less TERFy
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May 15, 2020 21:37
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Sad Panda posted:https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1261365862474399745 they've already said they don't want it to get into care homes, what more do you want them to do?? something that might actually stop it?
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May 15, 2020 21:51
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Coohoolin posted:Labourism is real loving dumb and it's always been dumb. Part of Corbyn's appeal was the massive relief everyone had at suddenly thinking "gosh, maybe we CAN actually achieve our aims through the easiest, simplest possible form of politics, electoralism and fun party tribalism that tickles the right parts of my brain" and now the desperate hagiographies of him as not being an utterly dogshit politician and Labour being an irredeemable dogshit party are just projections of those same people frantically trying to hold on to hope that they might not actually have to come up with something else. You believe in Scottish independence so you, I presume, would support the SNP even if it was poo poo because that party is a massive part of your aim potentially being achieved. If someone believes the welfare state shouldn't be cut any further then they should also support Labour because, despite being poo poo, that party is a massive part of that aim potentially being achieved. Your 'oh sure but do vote for them I guess' isn't just a massively cucked backtrack on your first argument it's incredibly stupid, do you think electoralism begins and ends with casting a vote?
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Trades posted:This thread has been pretty toxic since the leadership election result, which is a bit of shame given it was a good source of news and commentary prior to that. I get that the wrong candidate won, but chucking your toys out the pram and declaring electoral politics dead seems OTT? Sorry, this thread is acerbic & blunt. Has been as long as I've been reading it. Now for most of that time the ire has been largely aimed at the Tories & now we're at a point where people who didn't traditionally trust Labour but saw Corbyn as a great opportunity to wrangle the direction of the political discussion in this hellhole to the left have noticed that the left gave up control of Labour back to the neolib shitehawks. My limited money is better off going to other places, as is my time & effort. And I'd explicitly like to see many more people abandon electoralism. Because until that happens then there's going to be no prospect of revolution, general strikes or anything else that might change this country for the better. Just tax credits & means testing. I stayed in Labour until the day Keir Starmer was confirmed to have won the leadership contest. It was me throwing my toys anywhere, it was the people who backed Corbyn in 2015 & 2016 who lost a general election & then chucked their toys out of the pram & either didn't bother voting in the leadership contest or supported Starmer. Also, PS, if you're going to do an appeal to decorum don't then dismiss those of us without any faith in electoral politics to enact the necessary structural change to the economy as "chucking your toys out of the pram". It's reductive & just shows you've not been paying attention. Where as I'm not so bothered about decorum so it's fine for me to do it and not at all hypocritical, honest...
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May 15, 2020 22:18
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Gonzo McFee posted:Yo sorry I posted harsh words about a joke, everyone calm down. Honestly it's my own fault for coming back to the thread. Work sucks right now, I don't have the mental energy to deal with people being raging assholes to each other over every perceived difference of opinion. Life is hard enough without doing your best to slam down other socialists because their idea of how to achieve the same thing differs slightly from yours. jabby fucked around with this message at 22:27 on May 15, 2020 |
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May 15, 2020 22:19
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Kelly has beaten everyone at being an ironic dick this week (except the actual non-ironic cartoons in the Telegraph).
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May 15, 2020 22:28
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forkboy84 posted:And I'd explicitly like to see many more people abandon electoralism. Because until that happens then there's going to be no prospect of revolution, general strikes or anything else that might change this country for the better. Please explain how your extremely loving hypothetical general strike would succeed without any sympathetic elements within the Labour Party of the UK but is inherently aborted if there are symapthetic elements within the Labour Party of the UK. Do you think that general strike will be more or less likely to lead to change if there's an existing structure to be influenced by the strike? Or is the strike itself the end goal? This poo poo is just larping. Edit: even worse it's larping online. I'd bet more than half the people posting about 'building parallel structures' as a panacea that is magically exclusive to electoralism don't actually do that poo poo anyway. Vitamin P fucked around with this message at 22:39 on May 15, 2020 |
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May 15, 2020 22:29
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jabby posted:Honestly it's my own fault for coming back to the thread. Work sucks right now, I don't have the mental energy to deal with people being raging assholes to each other over every perceived difference of opinion. 
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May 15, 2020 22:35
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jabby posted:Honestly it's my own fault for coming back to the thread. Work sucks right now, I don't have the mental energy to deal with people being raging assholes to each other over every perceived difference of opinion. The left are naturally divided because they believe in the equality of all individuals and the right to independence of thought. The right are unified because their leadership demands conformity of thought and subjugation of individual will. Discuss. (10pts)
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May 15, 2020 22:44
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Oh dear me posted:I'm not arguing to 'endorse' anything. I'm arguing that people should use what one of the few means we have to change things, and my evidence that they can change things is that we started to change things. Then we suffered a single defeat and a bunch of people threw in the towel. I understood an emotional reaction was natural, and tried to bite my tongue. But the continuing "I'm so glad I threw in the towel, the rest of you have no hope of winning now" posts occasionally vex me. staggeringly wrong post tbh
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May 15, 2020 22:50
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Here's something to cheer people up - The Libdem 2019 Autopsy Thread: https://twitter.com/bloonface/status/1261328725431537665
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May 15, 2020 22:51
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gh0stpinballa posted:staggeringly wrong post tbh It's a bit sincere sure but morally and intellectually it's completely correct, you're just bitchmade and care less about other people than the poster you're quoting does.
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May 15, 2020 22:56
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Vitamin P posted:It's a bit sincere sure but morally and intellectually it's completely correct, you're just bitchmade and care less about other people than the poster you're quoting does. gently caress me, you really are the worst poster in this thread and how the gently caress have you not eaten any sort of probation for this poo poo?
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May 15, 2020 22:59
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Oh dear me posted:I'm not arguing to 'endorse' anything. I'm arguing that people should use what one of the few means we have to change things, and my evidence that they can change things is that we started to change things. Then we suffered a single defeat and a bunch of people threw in the towel. I understood an emotional reaction was natural, and tried to bite my tongue. But the continuing "I'm so glad I threw in the towel, the rest of you have no hope of winning now" posts occasionally vex me. I also find it annoying, it's "hope is a lie" but dressed up in more words. It is telling everyone else they're idiots for trying, or for hoping. And I agree also that it is mindlessly destructive.
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May 15, 2020 23:01
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For the last 7 weeks or so - while I've been semi-redeployed - I've mostly been reading and participating with this thread in a sort of semi-detached, semi-ironic, semi-fugue state. I can't even muster my typical level of ire for the thread's usual morons-in-chief. I'm working on the assumption that I'm reading posts by people who've been stuck at home for weeks and have, therefore, devoted a higher-than-usual level of mental and physical energy into their concerns about the piteous state of the Labour party and its' vacuous leader.
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OwlFancier posted:I also find it annoying, it's "hope is a lie" but dressed up in more words. It is telling everyone else they're idiots for trying, or for hoping. And I agree also that it is mindlessly destructive. But enough about the leaked report hahaha 
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May 15, 2020 23:28
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jabby posted:Honestly it's my own fault for coming back to the thread. Work sucks right now, I don't have the mental energy to deal with people being raging assholes to each other over every perceived difference of opinion. I've been gliding right past every post that has the word "Labour" in it and the thread is a much better experience. Until an election comes around I just really don't care what's going on with Labour. Gonna stay a member, gonna vote hard left at every chance I get, not gonna read 5000 words a day about it though. I've developed a lurker's skim
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May 15, 2020 23:34
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Vitamin P posted:It's a bit sincere sure but morally and intellectually it's completely correct, you're just bitchmade and care less about other people than the poster you're quoting does. lol @ "bitchmade". Good job we have the 4chan ambassador here to bring back the latest cultural touchstones from his distant and exotic lands
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May 15, 2020 23:37
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Failed Imagineer posted:
i am simply going to keep playing as an Only War commisar until I am a commisar in real life.
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May 15, 2020 23:45
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i am kinda dumb when it comes to politics but writing off any path that could be helpful to socialism dosen't seem realistic at this stage. If there are opportunities to elect people with genuine socialist principles or ideas in the labour party or any other. I think the talk of parallel structures is good but I don't see why trying to influence the labour party is mutually exclusive with that. It's always going to be hard and I think in these times especially but going back to "hope is a lie" is a useless mentality.
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May 16, 2020 00:05
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Lol that the person who has posted multiple times about their legitimate concerns about Musliamic Rayguns gets a much easier ride ITT than anyone who (even jokingly) suggests Kier Starmer might have a redeeming feature.
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May 16, 2020 00:19
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Jedit posted:The left are naturally divided because they believe in the equality of all individuals and the right to independence of thought. The right are unified because their leadership demands conformity of thought and subjugation of individual will. Discuss. (10pts) A politically minded friend of mine summed it all up in one quote. "The Left are always looking for traitors. The Right are always looking for recruits."
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May 16, 2020 00:34
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Sad Panda posted:How unsurprising that Covid got to the care homes. Was very alarmed today to learn from a friend that a colleague of hers had been tested for covid because her husband is a healthcare worker and just got back a text confirming that she in fact had it... two weeks after the test was administered. What’s the point of testing if it takes so long?
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Solidarity
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May 16, 2020 00:53
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New phrase I just learned: recrudescence of symptomatology source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/15/weird-hell-professor-advent-calendar-covid-19-symptoms-paul-garner quote:
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Vitamin P posted:Please explain how your extremely loving hypothetical general strike would succeed without any sympathetic elements within the Labour Party of the UK but is inherently aborted if there are symapthetic elements within the Labour Party of the UK. It's no more larping than the idea that the Labour Party as it stands will ever enact socialism. You might as well dismiss anything short of the most limp neoliberal dung masquerading as social democratic "reformism" as larping. Why bother thinking anything can get better, some moron on the internet thinks it's larping. I think the Labour Party leadership won't even support workers using strike action to save their lives during this pandemic so what they would do in a general strike is likely to be to say "we understand you have grievances but strike action is wrong and the only way to enact change is through the ballot box." Well, we just tried that, Labour won 202 seats and had a campaign actively sabotaged by members of the Parliamentary Labour Party & other "grandees". I'm more than willing to leap back onto the Labour bandwagon if the conditions are ripe again, as they were in 2015, but while the current mob are in charge its as much use as a teapot made out of poo poo. If you want to piss your energy into seeing Keir Starmer get elected & do austerity but slightly less than go off. I'd rather be accused of LARPing than settle for a scenario where the best case is a rerun of the Blair years. Comrade Fakename posted:Solidarity You can dismiss it as the narcissism of small differences but the thing is that they aren't small differences. Between Stalinists & Maoists & Hoxhaists, sure. But this is a question that predates the Labour Party by decades. Once upon a time reformists & revolutionaries shared vaguely similar goals, the abolition of capitalism, but reformists by & large don't even want that any more. And even when they did claim to want it they only made the most cursory moves towards it, often preferring the liberal economics of Keynes. And even that is too radical for the current reformists. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 01:52 on May 16, 2020 |
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I'm not sure that letting the 200 seats worth of people who were willing to vote for the 2019 platform be held perpetual hostage by the melts is a particularly winning strategy either. Like, don't vote labour, and also don't vote to make labour any better, thusly we will achieve even the mildest improvement in our lifetime, doesn't seem like a good approach? Like what is the functional difference between that and joining one of the communist parties and spending all your time arguing with people on twitter and saying it's praxis? OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 01:59 on May 16, 2020 |
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The whole election and Labour situation sucks and it's hard to find many silver linings. I wish Corbyn had just purged. The left should've just accepted there will be no soft interviews or forthright interviews with the media. The right of the party was never going to give him the time of day. He was too soft and nice when there was no goodwill to win. The sheer scale of machinery in labour working to keep the party tacked to the right is an exhausting thing to look at. The media has continued to sacrifice credibility to a laughable degree, but that's going to bottom out and people are still influenced by the media even if they "know" it's all rubbish. I'm hoping a pile of papers go bankrupt but the very rich will continue to fund dead newspapers purely for the political influence it grants them. All the old rules of politics are dead and buried now. WDTATW did an episode ages ago about the Major years, and it's amazing how a scandal that would've ended a politician's career then such as an illegitimate child or string of divorces, is now a defining feature of our PM. The tories used to at least be competent bastards, now they're the failsons of those bastards but it doesn't matter. You can just lie to parliament, brief parliament via the Times, tell everyone you shagged the cleaner while doing coke off her back, and then get made Chancellor. And this is why Starmer is going to lose. There's no umpire in politics. There's no judge awarding points for submitting letters in a timely manner and following procedure and judging the best politician. He's going to short circuit when the procedure-based approach to dealing with problems fails and he has to rely on charisma and appealing to the public. Obviously the bluetick cunts of twitter love him - he's the embodiment of their West Wing wet dreams. Except at PMQs nobody is going to sit there in stunned silence for 5 minutes whilst the music swells and you deliver your stunning rant about the importance of Sure Start. He'll get as far as "Mister Speaker, on the 25th of May I wrote to the Prime Minister regarding Sure Start centres and said..." before a wall of posh booing drowns him out. The US left is facing a similarly dismal future. The democratic race for leader showed how utterly corrupt their party is, as Joe Biden ratfucked his way to be leader. There's a fair chance he's going to lose the election, he might win but it's hardly a great choice (I think the decider will be how Trump's response to coronavirus plays out). Best case scenario Trump wins and the more left wing democrats realise they have to at least superficially appeal to the left if they want to win.
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Vitamin P posted:It's a bit sincere sure but morally and intellectually it's completely correct, you're just bitchmade and care less about other people than the poster you're quoting does. glad you have fun defending your landlord party
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winegums posted:The US left is facing a similarly dismal future. The democratic race for leader showed how utterly corrupt their party is, as Joe Biden ratfucked his way to be leader. ah yes, that horrific ratfucking of "not wanting someone who isn't a Democrat, has never attempted to run for any other office as a Democrat, and built his political popularity on consistently rejecting the Democratic label, to get nominated as a Democrat" there is no "Leader of the Democratic Party", that's not how the American political system works, it's explicitly designed to stop enough power concentrating in any one place for such a position to develop, which is also why you can get people like AOC just suddenly exploding to prominence out of nowhere
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