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Mrenda posted:M&S do good crisps. I like their tortilla chip ones (chili flavour is good) and they've reduced the price by about 40% in the past year. M&S crisps are made at Kettle. loads of supermarket posh brands are.
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May 16, 2020 12:47
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The lady was very kind to explain to me what NPL meant.
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May 16, 2020 12:48
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No Pant Line, so you don't have to look like seven of nine if you don't want to.
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May 16, 2020 12:53
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I'm about 10 of 9 by now.
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May 16, 2020 12:56
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Guavanaut posted:I wonder how much of that is declining standards and how much is a reduction in the ridiculous moralism of times past. Oh yeah being outed for being a gay in the 90s was bad. Morals have moved with the times (a bit). This tool is still used to sell papers via the scandal of "outing" celebs etc, which is unbelievably lovely. However exposing the hypocrisy of a "family values" MP who has a mistress, or the MP proposing ban on sex workers who in fact uses sex workers, is good and valid.
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May 16, 2020 12:58
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Yeah, try telling anyone out as trans that we moved past that being an issue in the 90s, I want to time how long they laugh directly at you.
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May 16, 2020 13:03
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the 90s weren't that bad, lets not forget it's the decade where gunge machines came to fruition on saturday night tv.
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May 16, 2020 13:06
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My membership of the SNP is not because I believe The Party is going to be the vehicle to socialist success in Scotland, but because independence is and the SNP are currently a means to that end. I don't care about The Party, I do not believe in ascribing long term political success projects to Parties. I believe that breaking up the UK would be a massive step forward in abandoning all these incredibly archaic and weird national characteristics of the British entity that make progress all the more difficult to achieve. Not doing what is best for independence because in the short term the party in power has some neoliberal characteristics (alongside a basic european welfare sensitivity that seems radical compared to the british Overton window) is the same kind of blinkered, well, short-termist thinking we rightly criticise liberals for. The SNP has a role to play in a bigger picture development. The Labour party, at least at the moment, does not, and at least I know that my membership dues to the SNP are not going to be used to throw seats for the benefit of unionists. PS: I do not appreciate the comparisons to Stuart Campbell seeing as he's decided to include me in his attempted hatchet job against the "rapey looking Twitler Youth misogynists" who dared to point out that the "Independence for Scotland Party" (yeah they called themselves ISP lol) is nothing but a transphobic tantrum founded by a couple of "gender critical" twitter accounts and one TERF who ran for convener at the SNP convention on a platform of ditching self ID and the GRA and got soundly beaten. https://twitter.com/KlezmerRouge/status/1260298954517987330?s=19
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Yeah, try telling anyone out as trans that we moved past that being an issue in the 90s, I want to time how long they laugh directly at you. That's clearly not what I meant. Obviously some social issues are still massively and unfairly stigmatised.
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winegums posted:Oh yeah being outed for being a gay in the 90s was bad. Morals have moved with the times (a bit). This tool is still used to sell papers via the scandal of "outing" celebs etc, which is unbelievably lovely. It's good that we're a bit better than that now and there's even openly gay Tory MPs (but bad that there's openly Tory gay MPs). Gyro Zeppeli posted:Yeah, try telling anyone out as trans that we moved past that being an issue in the 90s, I want to time how long they laugh directly at you. But in the 90s the idea of running a BAME MP anywhere other than a seat they considered an 'ethnic stronghold' would have been ridiculous, outing gay MPs could ruin their careers, pedophiles used this as blackmail material to remain in Parliament, and I dread to think what the press would have done if they'd found out anyone in public office was trans, given that the rags had no qualms about hounding a trans teacher to death in 2013. If being less moralistic (bigoted) about this (and we've still got a long way to go) means we're more tolerant of affairs and divorces and other personal circumstances when revealed, even though having a long string of affairs and divorces probably says something about a person's character, I still think that the side effect is justified.
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May 16, 2020 13:29
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Coohoolin posted:the party in power has some neoliberal characteristics everything amount their economic plan for an independent Scotland is nakedly liberal isn't it? the low corporate tax regime, modelled after Ireland. regarding the question of whether working within Labour is worthwhile or a lost cause, it's obvious that a lot of posters here are heavily invested in whichever of the two camps they fall into. no-one's going to change each others mind from them. so can people agree to disagree? without attacking each other quite so often? it feels more like posters venting frustration into the void than actually having any discussion. for anyone undecided about quitting on the fence watching the argument, it probably ain't helping them make their mind up
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Why wasn't chukka allowed to be labour leader again? He was gay but then married a lady but had expensive bottles in his locker?
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May 16, 2020 13:31
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Coohoolin posted:My membership of the SNP is not because I believe The Party is going to be the vehicle to socialist success in Scotland, but because independence is and the SNP are currently a means to that end. I don't care about The Party, I do not believe in ascribing long term political success projects to Parties. I believe that breaking up the UK would be a massive step forward in abandoning all these incredibly archaic and weird national characteristics of the British entity that make progress all the more difficult to achieve. You do not have to be a member of the SNP to support Scottish Independence. To bring up your own argument against Labour earlier, you can vote for them to achieve your goals (or goal, I suppose, apparently only one thing matters north of the border). But you don’t need to give them your money to spend on lovely neoliberal MPs and MSPs, a leader who proudly proclaimed “I am not a socialist” in the last election, and an overall party whose goal for independence has been to secede and become a tax haven supported by Rupert Murdoch. There exist other nationalist parties in Scotland. Got to admit that I don’t know much about them, I suspect they’re pretty moribund. So that makes them just like alternative leftist parties in England then. Also  “short term”.
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OwlFancier posted:As in just generally it is forbidden, it's kinda bad as a publication, for all that it gossips about the people in charge, the guy who writes it is very much the same kind, went to the same schools, doesn't really think much differently. I think it's mostly for people who just like to tut at the government but don't actually care much about it one way or another. I've bought/read maybe 3 copies over the past decade, and the reaction is always the same - growing visceral anger at the blatant shite going on, and resigned defeat at the fact that nothing will be done about any of it.
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May 16, 2020 13:39
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Guavanaut posted:Mary Whitehouses (Maries Whitehouse?) Mary's Whitehouse. Makes the pronunciation obvious, and annoys the pendants. quote:If being less moralistic (bigoted) about this (and we've still got a long way to go) means we're more tolerant of affairs and divorces and other personal circumstances when revealed, even though having a long string of affairs and divorces probably says something about a person's character, I still think that the side effect is justified. I agree with this. I can't figure out if this related to doing terrible things in the job though. Ministers do things that might once have been the sort of thing you resign over. I think they've just figured out that "being the sort of thing you resign over" doesn't actually do anything. They can just ignore it, brazen it out, and the media will forget about it. See also coming back after leaving in disgrace (Fox, Patel). Cerv posted:for anyone undecided about quitting on the fence watching the argument, it probably ain't helping them make their mind up This is me. Normally I defend the having of heated arguments (and the detailing to bad faith trolls why their wrong) for the benefit of bystanders, but this seems like an actual both sides issue. Neither those sticking with Labour not those leaving in disgust are obviously in the wrong, and each should be able to understand the other even while disagreeing. I'm paid up for the year because direct debits aren't a thing for me, so I have time to decide. But it's not worth the bad feeling IMO.
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May 16, 2020 13:42
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Cerv posted:is that really how you see the SNP? not as a died-in-the-wool neoliberal project? The SNP is under a lot of tension at the moment, the youth wings are gaining influence and are a lot more left wing than the established policy makers, and even among the policy makers there are pronounced disagreements. The growth commission gets touted, walked back, touted, etc. The changes in economic policy from the Salmond period (whose tenure did see more commitment to left wing narratives) are there, you can't draw one singular line of economic ideology through the entire party. It's unique, in a way- I can't really think of a comparable situation where one party has captured simultaneously the support of a grassroots progressive mass movement, as well as the vested interests of the business class. I doubt that was always the plan, given how difficult that would seem to achieve, and I suspect it has more to do with capital mobilising to find support within the SNP in the face of its emerging hegemony. In any case it's not a situation that can continue for long, and will either fall apart post independence, or it will cause the party to succumb to infighting. The latter doesn't seem to be happening just yet, despite Cherry's best efforts, so I await the former. In any case, my disagreements with the SNP's economic policy for an independent scotland have gently caress all to do with the current situation, and as I said before, it's about the long term goal, not "the Party". That being said, britain is so hosed up that even if the SNP are a fully dyed in the wool neoliberal party, they are still preferable to the devolved alternatives, which would have seen free tuition and free prescriptions done away with, abandoned the positive messaging on immigration (which in my mind is possibly one of the most important qualities for a governing body), and in terms of right now, would be subjecting us to the same half assed lockdown bullshit we're seeing in England.
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May 16, 2020 13:43
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Just to continue the point of 'you can't just rely on Labour being in power to do anything good and therefore internal battles to make it good are a secondary concern' there's a pretty good essay here: https://jacobinmag.com/2020/4/ruling-class-capitalist-state-reform-theory It tries to theorise about why parties in power buckle under capitalist domination even if they don't rely on them directly for support but do maintain some independence from the ruling class as a whole.
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May 16, 2020 13:53
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namesake posted:Just to continue the point of 'you can't just rely on Labour being in power to do anything good and therefore internal battles to make it good are a secondary concern' there's a pretty good essay here: https://jacobinmag.com/2020/4/ruling-class-capitalist-state-reform-theory having both Corbyn and Sanders sidelined seems to be tempting Jacobin back to the theory marshes quite aside from the interminable parliamentarism question, I liked the thoroughly seventies outlook of the essay quote:The most important manifestation of this decline is an increase in speculation against the nation’s currency. Reformist governments are always under suspicion that they will pursue inflationary policies; a high rate of inflation means that the international value of the nation’s currency will fall. Speculators begin to discount the currency for the expected inflation as soon as possible.  (Block only mentions price/wage/exchange controls because it was considered self-evident at the time that of course no country could restrain inflation through monetary policy)
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Bobstar posted:I agree with this. I can't figure out if this related to doing terrible things in the job though. Ministers do things that might once have been the sort of thing you resign over. I think they've just figured out that "being the sort of thing you resign over" doesn't actually do anything. They can just ignore it, brazen it out, and the media will forget about it. You can take it to two different extremes (for the point of examination), the 'traditionalist hellhole', where public representatives are terrified of being revealed to have had affairs, or be LGBT, or born out of wedlock, or visit escorts, and there's a soft apartheid where the Indian MPs only represent the Indian areas and the African-Caribbean MPs only represent the African-Caribbean areas and an army of nonces and corrupt reprobates march behind the scenes with their book of gays and adulterers, but everyone on the surface appears to have a duty to the state and resigns if any misconduct in office is uncovered, and the 'liberal hellhole' where my local MP could be a Trinidadian lesbian (but still a Tory), nobody discriminates on identity, but nobody feels like they're being held to any sort of standard and just brazenly does whatever unchallenged by any sort of system. It might be tempting to do a Lenin-style "in our opinion they are both worse", but I don't think they are, because the first case just shores up massive amounts of bigotry and hate, and for every MP shamed into resigning over being actually incompetent or corrupt there's half a dozen of the nonce brigade lurking in the shadows (and besides, both of those are extremes for illustration but the former is far closer to what we've actually had in the past and it was bad and only encouraged a culture of "don't get caught").
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May 16, 2020 14:24
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Coohoolin posted:The SNP is under a lot of tension at the moment, the youth wings are gaining influence and are a lot more left wing than the established policy makers, and even among the policy makers there are pronounced disagreements. The growth commission gets touted, walked back, touted, etc. The changes in economic policy from the Salmond period (whose tenure did see more commitment to left wing narratives) are there, you can't draw one singular line of economic ideology through the entire party. It's unique, in a way- I can't really think of a comparable situation where one party has captured simultaneously the support of a grassroots progressive mass movement, as well as the vested interests of the business class. I doubt that was always the plan, given how difficult that would seem to achieve, and I suspect it has more to do with capital mobilising to find support within the SNP in the face of its emerging hegemony. In any case it's not a situation that can continue for long, and will either fall apart post independence, or it will cause the party to succumb to infighting. The latter doesn't seem to be happening just yet, despite Cherry's best efforts, so I await the former. you haven't won me over to the cause, but I appreciate that you took my question seriously & gave that answer. maybe the first Obama election campaign? the grassroots campaign there is often described as an unprecedented surge, but the democrat party were (and are) still clearly in hoc to the interests of capital. with a tension there to the mass of progressives on the ground. I dunno. it was all so long ago
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Cerv posted:you haven't won me over to the cause, but I appreciate that you took my question seriously & gave that answer. If the Democrats had managed to maintain that support, from the grassroots movement and the business class, and turned it into an established force, maybe. But Obama disillusionment happened pretty quick.
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Coohoolin posted:The SNP is under a lot of tension at the moment, the youth wings are gaining influence and are a lot more left wing than the established policy makers, and even among the policy makers there are pronounced disagreements. The growth commission gets touted, walked back, touted, etc. The changes in economic policy from the Salmond period (whose tenure did see more commitment to left wing narratives) are there, you can't draw one singular line of economic ideology through the entire party. It's unique, in a way- You’re in a party with a relatively new young lefty grassroots who had a more left-wing leader step down after a major defeat for the party’s project and was replaced by a more liberal one, but you hope that the more equitable structures that the former leader built will hold? What must that be like? What an incredibly unique position in UK politics. The SNP are the centrists’ fantasy of politics without ideology. Where, as you just said, economic policy doesn’t matter. They’re just technocrats legislating common sense or whatever. The only reason why it works at all is because they hold the shiny ball of Scottish Independence above their supporters’ heads. A (hopefully) temporary loss of socialist purity within the Labour Party that you stay in in the hope of rebuilding is anathema, meanwhile it’s okay to compromise basically anything to achieve the goal of independence after which all your socialist dreams will be realised, and also all the right-wing SNP supporters dreams will also be realised. I guess you’re a nationalist first and a socialist second.
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May 16, 2020 14:55
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XMNN posted:pizza burger (serves 2-4): I remember having this years ago at a game of Deadlands with my RPG group. I was the only person able to eat two slices of it. Essentially it is a burger that uses two slices of pizza for the bun. Good eating however.
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May 16, 2020 14:59
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Quality. https://twitter.com/Fozdike/status/1261645203884179456
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May 16, 2020 15:03
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a glance at Quebec suggests that nationalist parties can retain left-wing cred for many decades without any particularly left-wing reforms in regional government
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May 16, 2020 15:03
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Worst palindrome ever. Also reminds me of my favourite printing mistake https://twitter.com/thenewsatglenn/status/523168706315440128?lang=en
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May 16, 2020 15:05
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Prince John posted:He got 61% of the black vote in South Carolina, 58% in Texas, 60% in Virginia, 62% in North Carolina and 72% in Alabama. He's crushing Bernie among that demographic, apparently just because he was Obama's VP. It's not just that. Bernie is viewed as dubiously supportive on race by especially older black people, going back to his previous run, and also theres the whole 'only a Democrat when it suits him' thing. Bernie having a problem with getting black votes is not new and is not because of Biden.
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May 16, 2020 15:25
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May 16, 2020 15:28
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Corbyn was amongst those arrested at the Hyde Park protest today. Piers, the nutty brother that is. imagine the headlines if Labour had won the 2019 election, and it was them in government imposing the lockdown now.
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May 16, 2020 15:30
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Can someone zoom in on this banner. I really want to see what it says (is that ike)?
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Jippa posted:Can someone zoom in on this banner. I really want to see what it says (is that ike)? https://twitter.com/francisqcoyle/status/1261665355363225600
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Cerv posted:Corbyn was amongst those arrested at the Hyde Park protest today. Piers, the nutty brother that is. We'd have UBI and not care?
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Jippa posted:Amazing. My favourite new conspiracy theory is that the term "conspiracy theory" was invented by the CIA
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Discovered some exciting news today. A free cassette I got nearly a decade ago with a magazine & never even opened because nothing to play it on is worth near enough £50 in mint condition & unopened. This has brightened my despite the fact I will almost certainly never get around to selling it.
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