Gripweed posted:Basically, Lee thought it was basically guaranteed that if he won an election as a young socialist, he'd get to be a recurring guest on Chapo at least, Felix's new best friend at best. But that didn't happen and he's been upset about it ever since. whats the evidence for this
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Lady Militant posted:whats the evidence for this His behavior.
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May 16, 2020 17:55
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Lady Militant posted:whats the evidence for this Lee's twitter gives off some strong "notice me senpai!!!" energy
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May 16, 2020 18:07
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Goddamn I need to set up a consultancy/IT support firm to sell $10 Dell USB keyboards to campaigns for $400 e: I guess I'd have to be a congressional failson to pull this off. It's a shame because I already have a name picked out: Shadow Reptilian Election Stealing Services LLC Clark Nova has issued a correction as of 18:15 on May 16, 2020 |
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May 16, 2020 18:12
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Gripweed posted:Basically, Lee thought it was basically guaranteed that if he won an election as a young socialist, he'd get to be a recurring guest on Chapo at least, Felix's new best friend at best. But that didn't happen and he's been upset about it ever since. Why do I immediately think that liberals do this but for The Daily Show or whatever
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May 16, 2020 18:13
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Late to the discussion but it's important to remember that the woke/anti-woke poo poo is just another media class culture war with leftist window dressing. They all went to the same schools, more or less.
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May 16, 2020 18:14
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Torpor posted:also,they made some pretty cool revolutionary songs one of which has train in it and deals with beating up the white army at a train station. I like listening to that one when I'm on a train
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May 16, 2020 18:53
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Gripweed posted:His behavior. lee is just a Carelord who can't help himself from posting, if he toned down the volume a bit he would be fine. felix should know better than to engage imo. it's super weird to see people pretend like he's infallible when he's literally just another goon who can also be wrong about things like the rest of us.
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May 16, 2020 18:57
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Lady Militant posted:lee is just a Carelord who can't help himself from posting, if he toned down the volume a bit he would be fine. felix should know better than to engage imo. it's super weird to see people pretend like he's infallible when he's literally just another goon who can also be wrong about things like the rest of us. wrong. who's re-reg are you
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May 16, 2020 19:17
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Slanderer posted:wrong. im sorry that i insulted your internet friend 
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May 16, 2020 19:23
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Gripweed posted:Basically, Lee thought it was basically guaranteed that if he won an election as a young socialist, he'd get to be a recurring guest on Chapo at least, Felix's new best friend at best. But that didn't happen and he's been upset about it ever since. “this person is just mad because they want to be friends with my friends on the podcast”
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May 16, 2020 19:42
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Lee Carter and Felix Biederman feuding is the farcical US socialist version of Donald Trump feuding with Graydon Carter
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May 16, 2020 19:59
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Lady Militant posted:im sorry that i insulted your internet friend being wrong isn't an insult. but seriously, we're all friends here--which permabanned poster are you?
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May 16, 2020 20:09
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Prince Myshkin posted:The world does not need a Marxist Gaming Show.
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Podcast twitter beefs are the new trotskyist split.
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Lady Militant posted:whats the evidence for this projection also none of you get your hopes up, Matt on the livestream said Lee Carter will probably not be coming on the pod at this point
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May 16, 2020 22:09
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BitcoinRockefeller posted:What started Lee's meltdown? As far as I can tell it was this: yeah, lee carter's girlfriend is part of joshua 4 congress's paid campaign staff, and i think maybe the campaign chair? lee carter got super insulted with everyone laughing about how joshua 4 congress deleted all his social media suddenly after it was revealed that he had spent thousands of dollars on fancy gamer computer components, for the campaign of course. but everyone started joking about how the whole joshua 4 congress twitter account based on shitposting on twitter was just a scam and then since the official social media accounts for the shitposting congressional candidate were deleted, people started tagging lee carter's girlfriend on posts making fun of some of the dumb poo poo that the joshua 4 congress campaign blew money on, which lee carter said was a harassment campaign coordinated by chapo hosts, and started defending his girlfriend with meltdowning posts.
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Prince Myshkin posted:Late to the discussion but it's important to remember that the woke/anti-woke poo poo is just another media class culture war with leftist window dressing. They all went to the same schools, more or less. Are you saying that there's an establishment anti-woke but also leftist project being manufactured? Fascinating if so but you're probably just lying.
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cool dance moves posted:Lee's twitter gives off some strong "notice me senpai!!!" energy Didn't Lowtax basically try the same with Chapo as well
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Hey guys sorry to interrupt the thread(s) with my manic episode. Sorry about forum etiquette and the absurdly long dramatic, lame, mega-effort post. I'm lecturing the void, or specifically the people who are doing good. The tone of the whole thing is off, it’s not meant to make anyone feel bad, it’s just that I’m both very manic and coincidentally also 100% correct. I’ve been out of the loop for like three weeks, maybe this is moot I don’t know. I’m going to sleep now. Hoping I’m not a “you did a no-growth” person by the time I wake up but hey I wouldn’t blame anyone. Here’s my meltdown, which is approx. 5,000 words long. MASKS OFF At the moment of Capitalism’s greatest weakness, of its central thesis collapsing in plain view, the American socialist left has receded into spectator mode – its favorite mode. The stated reason, as far as I can tell, is disillusionment with “electoralism”; and also, more importantly, the fact that there is no big relevant election going on. It’s so dumb - They’ll get as swept up by the next politician to fight for the policies they believe in (“End child chattel slavery in Brooklyn!” by the time you guys snap out of it). The Bernie victory party turning into the Bernie funeral turning into everybody’s funeral was a tough weekend all around. I get the burnout, we are all traumatized. It’s not like I’ve been doing anything worthwhile. We’re all loving this up, like, historically. The podcast Seeking Derangements, hosted by former Sanders campaign on-staff organizers, recently conducted its own postmortem of the Bernie campaign. Their analysis hinged on the difference between two kinds of “organizing”: shallow organizing and deep organizing. They claim the campaigns turn away from deep organizing in the later primary states not only hurt its results but downright undercut its central thesis of political change: “many of those who were making crucial decisions in the campaigns didn’t really act with what the ultimate goals of the campaign were. Essentially, we were attempting to amass a movement large enough to take control of the Democratic Party. Some might say that’s a far-flung idea, but it’s really the basis for our theory of change. That’s the basis of Bernie calling himself an existential threat, or calling himself the organizer in chief. It’s the reason why we won Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada”.  Sanders Organizers: “many of those who were making crucial decisions didn’t really act with what the ultimate goals of the campaign were” The method sounds pretty clean when they talk about it in the abstract (“The model relays more on relational organizing, or building a network in that community around community leaders”) but the more they zoom in, the clearer it becomes that there is an aspect of dark magic at work. “The process of kind of developing volunteers in Iowa from start to finish was… generally, you know, through a phone bank of democrat or likely supporters, you would call them, gauge their interest in seeing Bernie win, right? And if they seem particularly enthusiastic you would schedule a one-on-one with them to, uh, establish a connection, right? “Then you would get them to come out to canvass, you would get them to come out and phone bank, to call like their family and friends to get them to support Bernie as well, it would be, like, relational-organizing. And like ultimately you would get sustained, long term, voter interaction. And eventually, that person can become like a precinct captain or something. So that was the work”. I remember the female guest said this one: “[getting people to come to our events] requires not like getting on a phone bank, but like, having numbers saved in your phone, having those 101’s, like, texting people constantly back and forth…” The organizers even expressed some begrudging respect for the Pete campaign over their effective use of this strategy: “until November, [the Pete campaign people] weren't doing any canvassing or phone banking in the traditional sense… and what that does is, you can build these really close relationships with somebody, and once you’ve actually gotten your foot in the door, so to speak, you can get your messaging and reaching out to people a lot easier”. I think it should be obvious that a lot of the volunteers thought of the Bernie campaign people as friends – not necessarily on an intellectual level they can recognize and verbalize but that just makes it all the more devastating, you know? When was the last time a new person in your life had an in-person “one on one” with you? tried to understand your life? To create a connection with you? To give you responsibility over something they care about? For most people, I think it’s pretty rare. I think the chemicals the Sanders campaign was working with were friendship chemicals. The entire deep organizing apparatus seems to rest on emotional connection and friendship as a motivator; as a way to break through walls of well-earned cynicism. If so, the dark magic referenced above is The Magic of Friendship – and under these circumstances it is very dark indeed. “I literally just deleted my phone contacts”, one of the hosts says mid-way through the show, “- oh my god I have to do that” another interrupts. May I ask what the gently caress? What the gently caress? I want to be clear in what I’m trying to say, what my main point in this mess of a text is: former sanders campaign people doing nothing under the current circumstance, deleting contacts so to speak, is salting the earth of American Socialism’s only arable lands. This campaign, which wasn’t a normal campaign, didn’t end in the normal fashion – it ended during a massive ongoing disaster that threatens people's life and work and sanity. Moreover, the coronavirus is disproportionately hurting the people the left needs to most and vice-versa; moreover, political realities are bending all around us so there’s no reason not to try stuff. Moreover, some people that helped out need help with some very basic poo poo, and no one seems to be trying to promote anything that could help them, and god drat if these Bernie people didn’t really seem like they care about American suffering. I mean, at the time of writing, the most prominent public-facing members of the American socialist left, the ones I love the most at least, are either quoting Revelations or recapping NBC shows.  not important right now Volunteers face a similar dynamic with the people they interacted with during the campaign, even if it’s much diluted. Probably still enough to cause dull un-attributable guilt - so add that to the pile of unique emotional distress anyone who even came close to the Bernie campaign is now experiencing and will continue to experience for decades if this movement doesn’t at least try to pull itself back together by the seams and bones and frayed points of contact still attached, just barely, to the corpse of a presidential campaign. If things keep going like this, the Bernie movement ends with some dude saying, voice lower than usual, “yeah, I actually volunteered for Bernie/supported Bernie/talked earnestly with my family and friends about Bernie like some naive idiot”, and then just feeling gutted, feeling like a chump, staring at his beer; so embarrassed he’s currently upset; vowing to never care again. Currently this ends with millions of those guys, and they are neither replaceable nor replenishing. You will not be able to build any type of “movement”, to affect reality in any way, if the Bernie’s campaign’s legacy, the emotional truth that carries over from it for the relevant people involved, turns out to be “coastal leftists sure are amazing at putting on a convincing show about how they care about your circumstances, but you have to remember it’s their job, they don’t actually stick around”. I mean that, like, you won’t be able to do that – ever. Your kids won’t be able to, because they’ll still have to deal with fully jokerfied 55-year-old Sanders supporters. Your grandchildren may lead a political revolution in their own specific mine, maybe, ensuring meaningful reforms to oxygen distribution. What’s happening right now is a slow-burn black-pilling of everyone left-of-democrat-establishment across the country - with the bitterness of said pill being in direct correlation with how emotionally invested in an American left-wing a person was in December 2019; with how much they could give. This is unacceptable. This is all, quoting the lemon guy from the show, unacceptable. CLOSET ELECTORALISTS The conversation about “electoralism” is infuriating. It’s a moot point, an obvious distraction. One of the organizers explained it well: “When we talk about Bernie’s consistency and his message, that he hasn’t changed in 40 years, he is hammering, this whole time, about combining electoral work with a broader movement... And that means you have to include that if you are doing electoral work. You cannot just land on a plane in a state a few months before the election and think that you’re gonna like elect your candidate and then leave. It has to be much deeper than that”. There is a truly terrible irony in the fact that major stakeholders (sorry) of the Bernie movement are tapping out when the election is done, all while grimly talking about, like, “a left after electoralism”. Dummies, winding down your apparatus because the election was lost is the utmost expression of electoralism, literally the most “electorally minded” thing you can do.  “Bernie was hammering one clear message that hasn’t changed in 40 years” Let’s go back to the thesis of the Sanders campaign, as described by its most left-wing, non-careerist leaders: Trying to amass a movement big enough to take over the Democratic Party. Note that the movement being big enough to take over the democratic party means - necessarily, by definition almost - that it can do other things as well, that are less difficult than taking over the Democratic Party. It stands to reason the movement can do these things even if it failed in its attempt to take over the Democratic Party. And you already loving built it. There is no alternative course of action to what I’m suggesting. Do you have one? Seriously. Tell me about it I need one. I really, really hate writing like this, It’s cringe-worthy at a base level, and I’m very aware this will likely get zero traction. Nevertheless, here’s 3,000+ words with my particular proposal. We have to start something right now, guys, the third week of May 2020; three months late and a billion dollar short. MASKS ON I’m very much a “read Foucault once” guy, but it seems masks are obviously about to take a very weird very intense symbolic meaning in, like, the social…Lacanian... big other... I mean they are an incredibly strong symbol aesthetically and, as mentioned on the NYT featured podcast Red Scare, they cover up an orifice which makes them automatically erotically charged. I can’t articulate just how unimaginably corporations have hosed up by not providing every one of branded PPE out of their own volition. I cannot, as in not allowed to, fully articulate what kind of consequences the ruling class may have for-sure avoided with that pretty simple act. If they get there soon, before the left does, that’s very bad. Masks are immediately connected to self-expression, on the level censorship and control; and also de-masculinization, I think in part due in part to the Asian connection (everyone seems intent on ignoring the politics of dick size until the first wave of anti-cuck legislation hits, and frankly I get it so let’s move on). What I’m trying to say is I get why the very-angry-right-wing lose their minds over them, which is exactly why we need to hone in on them. I think the “mask” may take a similar post in the lefts psyche as “gun” takes in the rights. Also, importantly, people need them to lower their chances of them or their loved ones dying gruesomely. I guess that’s enough rhetorical prepping lol, here goes the actual dumb suggestion: People associated with the Sanders campaign, the ones not “moving on” to the DNC, urgently need to use the contacts and connections they made during the campaign to make and distribute masks to well everyone they came in contact with, and their families, and then their friends, and then poor communities generally. The Former Bernie Campaign can be a thing, a very appropriate brand for our haunted times. If Joe Biden is alive enough to run for president, the Sanders campaign is alive enough to distribute masks. If “the movement” can get a bunch of NK95’s obviously that’s very good, but a good stock of cloth masks is still far better than nothing, at the very least psychologically, and people are going to be needing them for a long while (also I really like the idea of people making cloth masks, with them being considered more valuable than bought kind, mainly because doing anything outside of capital is wounding to capital). Former Bernie volunteers should become mask hubs. Ideally, “The Former Bernie campaign” will become associated with freely available multi-use fabric masks in poor American communities; but at the very least you have to connect with your volunteers and particularly emotionally invested voters and make sure they and their families aren’t hurting for some basic stuff. This alone, just trying even, can do a lot stop the “the salting of the land”. You can think of your next big step while orchestrating mask production and delivery. New possibilities might present themselves if you happen to run a mask production and delivery system. So, logistically, on the most basic level, there should probably be separate efforts to amass fabric, sew masks, distribute and disinfect them; and getting N95 by any means possible (most countries have them pretty available. Got mine cheap and easy. PM me if you want me to send you artwork that cost the exact same as three NK95 masks). If you for some reason do not believe this is worthwhile politically - I want to suggest it is still worthy of time and energy for the long term benefits for mask receivers, deliverers, makers, smugglers, and of course organizers involved. And a lot of people want to help, and simply don’t know what to do all day, and need both leadership and a framework. In other words: they need to be organized.  NYT are very good at what they do sometimes. I'm not happy about it either The next part is the weakest most convoluted part of the argument -- the part where I lose all credibility if I somehow managed to scrape up some through force of will and performative self-injury -- but here goes: The podcasting people, Chapo et al, are actually the best positioned to make this happen if they so choose. They have a somewhat reliable stream of liquidity, and enough devoted listeners spread out across the country who would 100% do stuff these guys tell them to do. Importantly, the Chapo-Sphere people are an established force – not up for definition by outside agents. This is, in no small part, due to the 2,700 word (!) article about them the NYT Print Edition published two seconds before Super Tuesday (!). The article, titled, amazingly, “The Pied Pipers of the Dirtbag Left want to Lead Everyone to Bernie Sanders”, was a Judo move – meant to make the opponent tip over his own momentum. It was the establishment coordinating in its most hallowed ground, and it may have had an impact (imagine how important NYT is to Pete Buttigieg). I am very aware NYT is the enemy. I think of it as the Big Boss of this fight. but the one lie the NYT cannot tell is that someone is important when they’re not. Being in the NYT = important. Pic on cover = very important. The New York Times (notice how your brain reads these words) is a factory for manufacturing importance and status and political legitimacy. It has a monopoly. I want to give a concrete example for possible benefits of being a recognized piece on the board: If the Chapo guys/Red Scare girls/loving Stav help organize mask distribution en masse, the media can’t just edit out the Sanders support – which is what the playbook calls for (the playbook works). They can ignore it, but if they are to be forced to cover it, they have to recognize the political nature of the act and the politics behind it. Let’s be clear, they probably won’t cover it, but not covering news has a mana cost too. Chapo ain’t going to be re-defined without truly heroic effort, on their part or everyone else. Everyone (in the “big other” sense but used correctly I think) is working with the “pied pipers” piece whether they want to or not. And if the New York Times prints a long oddly-timed profile about you, claiming you are “pied pipers of the new left”, well I’m sorry but you have the potential to be just that. I really do feel bad for even writing this. I know that’s the very last thing these specific people want to read. I'm not sure anyone at all will actually read this and I still feel bad. But it’s true. NYT editors are Trump’s only true rivals in reality-manufacturing and are probably stronger than him on all matters not specifically concerning Donald Trump. They do it so much, and so well, they don’t even feel themselves doing it most of the time; but they took a conscious gamble with that article and they know it. I personally think, and this is heartbreaking, that their gamble paid off. But it could still cost them some. Maybe a lot. I love the Chapo hosts (like para-socially) and I can totally see how having that article written about you will gently caress you up. When someone gets profiled by NYT like that, it’s an acute trauma. The Chapo Guys will either lean all the way into their portrayal (which wasn’t a hack-job) or spend the rest of their lives running away from it. Check out “Saint Hilary”. Very fun read. But also they are adults, and they have a responsibility directly proportional to their power, and maybe they can be pushed on this. Maybe they just need to hear any idea at all to come up with something better. We are losing very badly. These people said they were helping build a movement that can take over the Democratic Party, that was the stated goal. It is indisputable that any movement big enough to take control of the Democratic Party – one of the world’s most bloodthirsty and powerful organizations, incompetent or not – can do what I’m suggesting here, on these gay dead forums. Why not help build that?  Teamsters could use some masks too probably I have to concede, of course, that Amber’s Teamsters-focused “back to labor” strategy is concrete and cohesive and good, but it’s not at all mutually exclusive with the type of more public-facing positive-aura activity I’m suggesting. There is value in flashiness, in a simple non-struggle-oriented narrative (labor relations are boring by nature when it’s not your job I’m sorry. Everything very important is boring by design; like central banking is the key to everything but you can’t take that pitch to the public). Also, one will need many masks on any picket line. Also, many workers don’t have masks or don’t have time to wash their cloth masks well (a gigantic problem that will be used by the media to justify their untimely gruesome death), and would very much appreciate some more of them, if you already got a whole operation and everything. And even if the podcasting guys flake off to exclusively stare at their own madness meters growing, we can still do this, maybe? All goon projects fail, but this one can be a particularly beautiful failure. It is unlikely to do any harm, and it may just, maybe, catch on? with somethingawful.com getting zero credit per usual, which is the best possible outcome? Yelling “Trumop” at reporters while delivering masks sounds like it can be fun; and a major advantage of reality collapsing all around us is that there is still time on the clock, even though there shouldn’t be. The clock is melting over a desert but it’s still good news. If you think my mask thing is dumb I guess okay. Do something else? Maybe we need to check up on people, randomly, with a call-script (“hi I’m with the former Sanders campaign. Is there anyone in your community that crucially needs something?”; “We don’t care if you vote for Biden lol, do you need help?”). Doing basically anything will maintain and expand the crucial human infrastructure you need for ANY scenario – from a Biden-Warren torch passing to Balkanization to the republicans sweeping the nation and calling a constitutional convention. That infrastructure is burning down right now, for no reason I can understand. Plus, if you do this well everyone will copy you like they were just about to do it regardless, which means American people will have masks. The emotional connections made by Sanders campaigners; the para-social relationships a dozen leftists from Brooklyn made with millions of Americans; and yes, the close-circuit pre-verbal-somehow comradery of CSPAM – I know it sounds dumb and lame, I know this entire manifesto is very dumb and lame, but these are all tools that can be effectively used right now. If it turns out I’m wrong and it turns out “the movement” can’t pull this off, or worse if it won’t try - then the current socialist American movement simply doesn’t exist in reality, and due to the very unique circumstances of this particular hell-timeline, it may turn out to be a bad thing, for absolutely everyone, that it had ever existed at all. I will now list more advantages of my particular mask proposal, numbering them, as one does. But obviously, the point is the organizing. What you get people to do, from knocking on doors to sewing, is secondary - but you have to keep pumping blood through the veins. Consider the following an appendage (lol I really am so sorry). WHY MASKS? 1. Practicality: Masks require human skill and non-rare materials, and do not necessitate capital. You need fabric and a needle/sewing machine – something many people already have in their homes. The logistical hurdles mostly depend on demand and participation levels across the country, but there is nothing called for here more complicated than regular campaigning. You keep the bait, switch the ask. Instead of “come to this event”, or “knock on doors” - “take this batch of masks from here to here and disinfect them”. If anything it can be easier than mounting campaign events. 2. Simplicity: American Capitalism has so severely hosed up the one thing it is supposed to be good at - ensuring the availability of products – it boggles the mind. It’s honestly difficult to react to because it seems so brutal and odd, like when you read about the great depression and think “this seems easily solvable...” Masks are simple, and it is inconceivable the American empire can’t supply them to its citizens. Also, “making masks” is simple – like, symbolically. it’s very difficult to spin. Any effort to distribute masks outside of the market highlights the failure of the market, in America’s most desperate time of need. The mere act moves the battleground to where you want it to be. The Former Bernie Campaign people don’t need to be talking not about how everything is hosed; but both about how everything is hosed and also they’re at least trying to do Capitalism’s job, the Government’s job, which is totally do-able, flailing around like the mice in Cinderella trying to pick up all the cheese cubes despite being so so tiny. It is the only credible position to take.  come on it’s a thing right? people know about the cinderella mice… the cheese pieces are supposed to be, like, good deeds? I’m really tired 3. Fashion: Masks are a huge canvass on your face, so it’s inevitable they will be used, subconsciously or not, willingly or not, for the type of identity building people use fashion for. They function automatically as conveyors of status. I know this is un-intuitive, but long-term maybe the left should want this to be a battlefront. It’s bad terrain but they all are, and the cool kids elite, for lack of a different phrase, is the only half-sympathetic one. The least mean elves. Since we’re running down my favorite podcasts, the Not Really guys are, coincidentally, fashion authorities who are identified with the NY brand Hood By Air, which is still very popular and influential, and, like, would work on a mask. I’m sure they can design a mask that people would be proud to incorporate into their self-image, or even be jealous of other people for having (which would feel good for the person having them). I’m imagining different masks for different, like, levels of volunteer, but then again I’m a crazy person, which brings us to my next point. 4. Magic: Masks can be thought of as a new “magical item” introduced into the world, imbued with meanings beyond its physical form and function. they carry many features of RPG items, mostly in that they are literally armor. They may be able to tickle the same part of people’s brains that gets excited by rare loot, or a particularly pretty item in a video game. Not everyone would agree on this being a good thing. One can argue any attempt to introduce elements of RPG aesthetics or “gamification” principles to politics will have the effect of undermining the lefts basic thesis about the need to focus on material reality. But it can be more of a dialectic maybe? This RPG-fication of politics is already going on on the right, of course, and it seems to be effective. Cosplaying protestors just forced your workforce back to their now deadly jobs. I get that it's gross but this is the least gross form of politics we are getting in a while (next Buttigiege campaign is 100% sorting volunteers to "Hogwarts houses") and maybe - and I do realize how dumb I sound - maybe the good guys can get in on the action, for loving once, instead of theorizing about it (“postmodernism or the cultural logic of not making loving masks even though you can and everyone needs them”). Because of “mask” roleplaying-“meaningful item” connection; coupled with the inherent value this style of politics places on a classic “skill” (sewing) - the making and giving of masks as a political project has potential to connect with this relatively untapped area in the American psyche, and help establish potentially potent forms of political organizing. You can choose to either peruse that direction or not but it’s good to have the option. This falls more under “shallow organizing” as described by the Seeking Derangement guys, but even they concede it has its place.  pictured: cosplaying If you read Mark Fisher (prominent cyberpunk theorist) and also this post (god bless you) maybe you already figured out I love the guy. His writing on Capitalist Realism is obviously relevant to these times, but I want to focus on a different aspect of his thinking: his insistence that the left must play to win, using mechanisms that tap into libidinal energies; by inserting itself into politics “at the level of desire”. It's what the enemy does, and the enemy is winning. The mask stuff, the whole dnd poo poo, is very libidinal by nature. It’s roleplaying. It is deferred sexual energies that get people into that stuff to begin with. IN CONCLUSION The project has a narrative arc, and it rewards participants on very basic levels. The left has a chance to intervene in the most fundamental way people relate to their bodies and “the outside”; and to reward those who put their faith in the Bernie campaign – in a way they can literally carry around with them, to prove they weren’t fools. Let’s imagine, just for one last 30 seconds of your time, the sad-sack semi-drunk former Bernie volunteer/supporter from the future, mentioned 900 paragraphs ago. “yeah, I actually volunteered for the Sanders campaign”, he hears himself say, “they actually gave me this mask, a bunch of them, when the virus happened”. And his mask is a bit special, or distinguished (“yeah the blue trim is for precinct captains...”) and suddenly dude doesn’t feel foolish anymore. There is no lump in his throat. He knows his involvement in the campaign helped him help his loved ones, even a little bit, and that the people associated with the movement he cared about cared about him. Things may be very bad in his timeline, but he won’t stand in the way of attempts to improve reality in order to shield himself from the humiliation of being used and discharged by cooler, smarter, funnier people from NY. In the other timeline, the no mask-making timeline, that dude is gone. Discounting any type of political advantage that can be gained here, he is owed a gesture. It’s awful, but we owe each other more right now than we ever did. TLDR: PM me if you want to buy some artwork that for some reason costs the exact same as three multi-use NK95’s
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I wish people would stop saying anti-woke, or at the very least not identify with it. Seems to me that most people on the left are plenty woke, and very few honestly believe antiracism or feminism is a bad thing. Even Amber came by socialism by way of feminism right? Something like "class-first" seems like a much better descriptor.
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May 17, 2020 00:25
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This is dumb as poo poo and a waste of mental energy. I'm upset I even read part of this.
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May 17, 2020 00:41
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a corrupt official posted:as mentioned on the NYT featured podcast Red Scare 
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May 17, 2020 00:56
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take your meds
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May 17, 2020 01:04
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i agree with a lot of what corrupt official has to say. but the message would be get more traction from
no one in this thread has influence over what podcasters have to say
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May 17, 2020 01:20
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Lol didn't read that long rear end post
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May 17, 2020 01:25
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gh0stpinballa posted:the blumenthal norton podcast released a good takedown of jacobin twats and professional socialists i recommend This was good but there's some very obvious professional jealousy animating them. Vitamin P posted:Are you saying that there's an establishment anti-woke but also leftist project being manufactured? They don't have to have equivalent levels of institutional support to be comprised of people from the same social class.
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May 17, 2020 01:28
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I didnt read that million word post but  at Lee Carter equating the death threats hes been sent by chuds with felix making the worlds most benign joke about gaming keyboards and calling it coordinated harassmentMeltdown may strikes down the just and unjust alike
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May 17, 2020 01:29
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I think abstractly we all knew that Meltdown May in the age of podcasts would be like this, but even so that post is hard to bear
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May 17, 2020 01:34
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May 17, 2020 01:36
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May 17, 2020 01:42
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a corrupt official posted:MASKS OFF NYARLATHOTEP I enjoy First of all, just how many times have you rewatched the V for Vendetta movie? Is the montage at the end with the masks how you see this going, ideally? One issue with masks as aesthetics/fashion items is that they're terribly uncomfortable to wear for any length of time, especially if you're going to forgo ventilation features, a must if you want your mask to protect others from an infected wearer. You seem to entertain the blackpill idea that all is basically lost, but you propose that an effort on masks now could serve as some nostalgic artifact in the future, maybe something to keep the embers of a movement going, or to rally a new one around in the dystopia of the future. If I have read you correctly, is that your actual best hope for the future, or is it something you say so one might harness said blackpilled nerds to save lives in the here and now? I believe any project with the goal of helping suffering people is worthwhile, but I am not entirely convinced that this basically apolitical humanitarian project would fill the void for those upset with the horizon of what is politically possible after Bernies loss. How does doing the governments job expand those horizons? That sort of thing seems more at home either in an anarchist commune, or as filler on the CV of a liberal PMC. If the main audience of your pitch is blackpilled dudes, how will you counter accelerationist ideas, which I expect might be on the rise in this group? I do sympathize with the wish and instinct to keep the good feels and momentum from the good parts of the Bernie run going, but what exactly is the point in putting it on a respirator if one does not have the promise of electoral wins? It was, arguably, a liberal project, it's policies mostly social democratic, maybe democratic socialist at best... It operated entirely within the confines and bounds of liberal democracy is what I am getting at. I am not entirely certain I see the value in continuing to go down that specific path, using that apparatus, if we're in agreement that it cannot lead to a political victory. I agree with you that it could be nice to harness that momentum for something humanitarian, but I wonder if it would hold together without a tangible ideological / political payoff. Surely Bernie supporters had a wide variety of reasons for supporting him, it seems like a lot to assume that they would continue to stick together without that political project. thotsky has issued a correction as of 02:18 on May 17, 2020 |
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May 17, 2020 01:53
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somehow worse than the post you made that got roasted on Twitter like a teacher showing off a particularly bad essay in the breakroom
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May 17, 2020 02:09
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Prince Myshkin posted:This was good but there's some very obvious professional jealousy animating them. the spite that drives those two is deeper and weird than that. they still treat the ISO affiliated people they split with over Syria in the same manner, despite being more successful at this point than most of them. i'm glad they mostly channel it towards loving over people like the ghouls trying to launch coups in Venezuela didn't read this, but thank you for not assuming i'm an anarchist or posting a link to your go fund me like the last guy did
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May 17, 2020 02:11
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thotsky posted:I wish people would stop saying anti-woke, or at the very least not identify with it. Seems to me that most people on the left are plenty woke, and very few honestly believe antiracism or feminism is a bad thing. Even Amber came by socialism by way of feminism right? Something like "class-first" seems like a much better descriptor. you can't say class-first because The Root people who went to expensive private universities will call you insufficiently intersectional.
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May 17, 2020 02:15
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i am glad virgil commited ritual suicide in conneticut and that amber has resigned herself to writing idiotic garbage
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May 17, 2020 02:19
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Atrocious Joe posted:didn't read this, but thank you for not assuming i'm an anarchist or posting a link to your go fund me like the last guy did that tl;dr at the end lol. it's like the comment someone makes when their tweet goes viral plugging their soundcloud or etsy, except people only make those when they know they have the attention of thousands
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May 17, 2020 02:20
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Shipon posted:you can't say class-first because The Root people who went to expensive private universities will call you insufficiently intersectional. So that's a second reason why class-first is a better option
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May 17, 2020 02:21
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Vitamin P posted:Are you saying that there's an establishment anti-woke but also leftist project being manufactured? an intellectual current doesn't have to be created by "the establishment" for it to be wrong. plenty of the big leftist media personalities who rail against the woke culture of the left literally are academics.
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there's a red scare thread in RGD now
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