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ToxicAcne posted:From what I understand, even Anarcho-syndicalism presumes central planning, just in a form where decision making is more horizontal. jacobin has published a lot of really questionable woke-imperialism type of stuff (though they publish stuff that is anti-imperialist as well). i kind of agree that there’s no reason to platform syrian interventionists or what-have-you. domestically they are on the left end of democratic socialist, though, and i think people give bhaskar and the magazine too hard of a time. usually they also deserve credit for being the first socialist website that didn’t look like garbage
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Varinn posted:as a non-anarchist ive never understood the absolute vitriol people always have for them when they come up. a lot of anarchist ideas/theory seem really interesting to think about (but not practice), and as a political force they're probably the one group with less power than us lmao It's because of Al!
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Jacobin vacillates between pretty ok to pretty not ok but they do deserve mockery for being a bunch of liberal social democrat nerds who think that radicalism is being the activist left wing of the Democratic Party via taking over DSA. Basically they are, mostly, well-meaning nerds, but also you should periodically stuff them into a locker to remind them of this fact.
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also Bhaskar likes to not pay his workers while loving around pretending to be Kay Graham
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Autism Sneaks posted:also Bhaskar likes to not pay his workers while loving around pretending to be Kay Graham oh yeah this part is really lovely, he's garbage. The magazine and writers themselves are mostly ok though, with some variation.
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i like meagan day but micah uetricht puts me to sleep. he is the xanax of socialism. worse than brezhnev
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I'm reading Losurdo's War and Revolution and finding it very boring thus far 
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to me, uetricht will always be the guy who failed at the "throw boiling water into super cold air" trick and went viral https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20140108/uptown/hot-water-to-ice-trick-burns-uptown-guys-private-parts-video-goes-viral/ quote:CHICAGO — At first it seemed like a good idea.
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Atrocious Joe posted:to me, uetricht will always be the guy who failed at the "throw boiling water into super cold air" trick and went viral ahahahahahaha
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Atrocious Joe posted:to me, uetricht will always be the guy who failed at the "throw boiling water into super cold air" trick and went viral lmao
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him deleting the video is revisionism, to me
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https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1262384912990113793?s=20 yes we will
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Lightning Knight posted:Jacobin vacillates between pretty ok to pretty not ok but they do deserve mockery for being a bunch of liberal social democrat nerds who think that radicalism is being the activist left wing of the Democratic Party via taking over DSA. Basically they are, mostly, well-meaning nerds, but also you should periodically stuff them into a locker to remind them of this fact. Its closeness to La Botz and his ilk, and the way Jacobin allows them to smear governments under imperialist attack go a little further than "nerdiness."
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Atrocious Joe posted:to me, uetricht will always be the guy who failed at the "throw boiling water into super cold air" trick and went viral
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Jacobin are just trots. They've said as much.
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Prince Myshkin posted:Jacobin are just trots. They've said as much. It's one thing to be a Trot, it's another to play footsie with the NED and the Shachtmanites.
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I'm fairly certain that's a joke, though an apt one.
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Pomeroy posted:It's one thing to be a Trot, it's another to play footsie with the NED and the Shachtmanites. trots is the same
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dex_sda posted:speaking of reading and oral traditions. back when i was drunk on labour day i talked about zapatistas here and someone asked me about where to read more about them and my own knowledge comes from various sources and researching stuff for conversations with other like-minded peeps in the past. so I would have a hard time to give you a good and unbiased reading list. definitely want this - really want to read more on Indigenous marxism and anarchism. Anyone got thoughts on Nick Estes?
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https://twitter.com/reutersindia/status/1261473945095561217?s=21 Socialism in action -Matt Bruenig
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Does anyone know anything more about the Seychelles than can be gleaned from google? What is bad about trots besides "Trotsky lied about Stalin" or whatever.
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here's ho chi minh's take on trots. he extrapolates it mostly from his observations of trotskyist groups in China specifically. https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/vietnam/pirani/hochiminh.htm
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CYBEReris posted:here's ho chi minh's take on trots. he extrapolates it mostly from his observations of trotskyist groups in China specifically. As much as Ho Chi Mihn was a cool guy (HBD), it's hard for me to take a document seriously that begins. quote:The problem of Trotskyism is not a struggle between tendencies within the Chinese Communist Party, for between communists and Trotskyists there is no link, absolutely not one link Edit: This also seems mostly to be him repeating things he has heard. Is there any good evidence of trot fifth column?
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LittleBlackCloud posted:As much as Ho Chi Mihn was a cool guy (HBD), it's hard for me to take a document seriously that begins. i don't have enough knowledge of that time period in China to verify or debunk the events in these letters, just pointing out one of the sources of distrust and bad blood.
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wait there are leftists who think you can't be left and eat meat????
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if eating meat is revisionist then slather me in gravy and call me a Dengist
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Glad the white girl larping harder than warren is here to teach us about veganism. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Glad the white girl larping harder than warren is here to teach us about veganism. This seems rather uncharitible.
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Nothing makes goons sweat and rage harder than suggesting that the current scale of global meat consumption is not healthy for the planet and a large scale dietary shift towards beans & other protein rich plant products might be a policy imperative
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GalacticAcid posted:Nothing makes goons sweat and rage harder than suggesting that the current scale of global meat consumption is not healthy for the planet and a large scale dietary shift towards beans & other protein rich plant products might be a policy imperative Increased plant based diet != Veganism Vegans are the ones who won't eat honey because it's exploiting the bees.
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GalacticAcid posted:Nothing makes goons sweat and rage harder than suggesting that the current scale of global meat consumption is not healthy for the planet and a large scale dietary shift towards beans & other protein rich plant products might be a policy imperative me eating less meat on a personal level isn't going to make factory farming any more humane it's like scolding people for their individual carbon footprint when you've got cargo freighters pumping out a city's worth of CO2 hauling funko pops across the Atlantic
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sweating and grunting, sweating and grunting
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White Rock posted:Increased plant based diet != Veganism That's only losers tbqh. But I'm not vegan anymore so. Purity is weakness
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GalacticAcid posted:Nothing makes goons sweat and rage harder than suggesting that the current scale of global meat consumption is not healthy for the planet and a large scale dietary shift towards beans & other protein rich plant products might be a policy imperative Not really sure why the topic of veganism always brings out the brainworms in leftists. If you believe in the liberation of people from capitalism, it's not that big of a stretch to also believe other sentient beings should also be liberated. 
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vegans aren't the only people that don't support the meat industry lmao
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Not really sure why the topic of veganism always brings out the brainworms in leftists. If you believe in the liberation of people from capitalism, it's not that big of a stretch to also believe other sentient beings should also be liberated. basically.
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