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Any state that doesn't open also has the big problem of what, exactly, is the alternative? Maryland can't print money and give it to people. Staying closed kneecaps tax revenues, and if the federal government is refusing to help and congress can't (or won't) act, then what's your recourse? Short of printing state coupons and vouchers, no one state (or even group of states) can weather a prolonged stoppage of consumption and economic activity. This crisis illustrates a lot of failings in America but one of the more under-discussed ones is just how bad federalism is as a concept and how inadequate it is to respond to any sort of national disaster.
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Penisaurus Sex posted:Any state that doesn't open also has the big problem of what, exactly, is the alternative? rent freeze and redistributing goods, idk, money isn't real
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euphronius posted:the personal freedom and limited government of nationwide segregation, limitless incarceration and border concentration camps for a certain class, yes
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The Rose Bowl is an American outdoor athletic stadium, located in Pasadena, California, a northeast suburb of Los Angeles. At a modern capacity of an all-seated configuration at 92,542,[1] the Rose Bowl is the 16th-largest stadium in the world, the 11th-largest stadium in the United States, and the 10th largest NCAA stadium.
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euphronius posted:the personal freedom and limited government of nationwide segregation, limitless incarceration and border concentration camps none of those things applies to the people that watch cnn
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snoo posted:rent freeze and redistributing goods, idk, money isn't real There are real limits to what a state government can do and declaring a statewide rent moratorium, absent a push from above, is probably one of those things. You're right, money isn't real and it's all just dumb illusion, but if you (the 'you' in this case being some bumpkin governor) start pulling at the edges of that illusion the entire thing collapses very quickly. I don't think any state is desperate enough yet to really upset things by grabbing masses of power for the governorship. I'm also still of the opinion that we haven't even seen a first wave peak and this situation is going to have moments of rapid deterioration followed by long periods of relative stability. Which is terrible for Americans and humans in general but is how history is usually made.
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this guy went through all the effort to make this thing without recognizing how dumb it is
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Crazyweasel posted:when it’s all said and done this probably will significantly reduce the ranks of the white middle class imo. lot of downward mobility going on, faster transition to third world type stratification (whole us economy is now built on printing and exporting dollars, we got Dutch disease) Yup. Thiel, Musk, Kushner, Bannon and the rest of the ghouls will get what they wanted: neo-feudalism with fascist characteristics. Transforming America into a moronic throwback so these goons can buy an extra yacht and torture an extra bloodboy. Nice one guys.
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could you do this with hydrox?? https://twitter.com/KalhanR/status/1227256236346769408?s=19
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euphronius posted:the personal freedom and limited government of nationwide segregation, limitless incarceration and border concentration camps I would happily let you die for my freedom!
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https://twitter.com/GovMikeDeWine/status/1262811507903127557 ah well ok then
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Our governor in Iowa kept insisting that 'she trusts Iowans will do the right thing' despite every piece of evidence ever showing that the only way to get compliance from most people is orders.
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DesertIslandHermit posted:Didn’t care for Oreos until some of the new flavors came out. Peanut Butter Oreos kick rear end. David Graeber posted:The funny thing after I wrote the piece was that there were two levels of response. First were from the science buffs who regularly appeared to scold me that I know nothing about science otherwise I would not ignore all the amazing things that are going on, or were just about to appear. Flying cars have been about to appear for about sixty years now. The other group were the actual scientists, who almost invariably said: yes true! It is impossible to get grants for blue-skies research any more. The system is set up to ensure there are no longer any real breakthroughs.
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"i strongly recommend you kiss my rear end!!!1" i proclaim while inhaling a chili 5-way in between coughing fits
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Thoguh posted:Our governor in Iowa kept insisting that 'she trusts Iowans will do the right thing' despite every piece of evidence ever showing that the only way to get compliance from most people is orders. these sorts of statements are pretty plain abdications of responsibility by turning it once again into a matter of american "personal choice" whether you will infect yourself, your family, and hundreds of strangers
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Penisaurus Sex posted:Any state that doesn't open also has the big problem of what, exactly, is the alternative? I've thought a lot about this in Illinois, which has a ton of fiscal troubles. Local governments rely on high property tax (I believe only new Jersey has higher per capita levies), high sales tax (often highest in the nation) and a low income tax (3% flat, with constitutional amendment to make it progressive and hit high earners on the ballot this fall). It also has one of the worst pension problems in the nation at the state and local level, and doesn't tax pensions as income for revenue. It just got out of a 4 year republican governorship whose solution to budget issues was not having a budget and not paying vendors for years on end. And to top things off, it's one of the only states in the region fighting opening up. Several towns already are in de facto receivership by the courts, with courts ordering tax receipts to go to pensions instead of other services. Chicago famously has sold off a lot of assets like parking meters for short term revenue, and issued lots of bonds, and the state has as well. And the world class uni system relies for revenue from foreign students, mostly Chinese, since the state hasn't funded it in decades. If Trump gets reelected and Illinois does a good job of keeping it pensioners from all dying from covid, the state is going to be utterly, insanely hosed. The CTU just got a sizable contract after a strike, so there's no savings to be had there. Issuing massive amounts of bonds at all levels and praying the income tax bill goes through could help, but if this upcoming depression happens who knows if high earners will even stay. The reward for being competently governed in a plague is going to be a test case for state bankruptcy. I don't know what else can be done short of sabotaging the southwests dams and aqueducts and use the victory in the water war to drive people back to the world's largest body of fresh water mastershakeman has issued a correction as of 19:54 on May 19, 2020 |
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Fellatio del Toro posted:https://twitter.com/GovMikeDeWine/status/1262811507903127557 lmao hahahah he just gave up
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Its cool to find out in real time that yes, Hobbes was right
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governor: Do whatever u want idk 
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Penisaurus Sex posted:Any state that doesn't open also has the big problem of what, exactly, is the alternative? federalism is fine when the president and senate aren’t run by paleo fascists and capital ... yeah so I guess you are right it’s broken
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euphronius posted:governor: Do whatever u want idk I'm looking forward to the spike around June 3rd. If I wasn't forced back to work in the office this week, I'd never leave my house again until at least October.
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Iron Crowned posted:I'm looking forward to the spike around June 3rd. If I wasn't forced back to work in the office this week, I'd never leave my house again until at least October. my boss on a Skype today said basically see you next year so that’s good
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a million metal nerds rolling their eyes saying "Death Angel is not a death metal band" a million more saying "Dark Angel is better"
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mastershakeman posted:I've thought a lot about this in Illinois, which has a ton of fiscal troubles. Local governments rely on high property tax (I believe only new Jersey has higher per capita levies), high sales tax (often highest in the nation) and a low income tax (3% flat, with constitutional amendment to make it progressive and hit high earners on the ballot this fall). It also has one of the worst pension problems in the nation at the state and local level, and doesn't tax pensions as income for revenue. It just got out of a 4 year republican governorship whose solution to budget issues was not having a budget and not paying vendors for years on end. It feels like we're in a weird inbetween here. If say Illinois defaults on its debts, then what? You can't move Chicago or repossess a river. All the buildings and people there will continue to be there. I'm not an attorney so I don't really see what functionally happens in that case, unless it's just paper changing hands and the Illinois treasurer just turning his pockets inside out and shrugging.
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Fredy Perlman and Edward Abbey were Right.
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I read the replies. is me
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fosborb posted:could you do this with hydrox?? horny is prohibited
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Egg Moron posted:a million metal nerds rolling their eyes saying "Death Angel is not a death metal band" my dick dont get hard no more since the covid. well, that and satan.
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fosborb posted:could you do this with hydrox?? i'm thinking this is the second take, and the first one where he didnt remove the top cookie part is funnier
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Penisaurus Sex posted:Any state that doesn't open also has the big problem of what, exactly, is the alternative? also states will end up printing money before the end of this 50% chance imho
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Penisaurus Sex posted:It feels like we're in a weird inbetween here. If say Illinois defaults on its debts, then what? You can't move Chicago or repossess a river. All the buildings and people there will continue to be there. Loans from the world bank, massive austerity, the end of all public education
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nooneofconsequence posted:gotta respect the government for being honest and saying "gently caress it you're on your own" I know right? I can guarantee that as of an hour ago, many bars and restaurants just opened their doors.
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