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TimeWaster posted:
Last BIOS update was 'only' 10.6MB and I assume that's a full image - maybe if they drop some of the bullshit graphics in the BIOS UI they can fit it in 🤪
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Thanks, now I'm up to speed. Carry on.
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DOOMocrat posted:Jarrod's Tech has their usual CPU comparison charts up for the i9 10th vs the 3950x Looking at other reviews 10600K vs 3600 is a similar story. If Zen 3 really does have substantial IPC improvements this is gonna be an interesting fall because they're gonna start winning even the games. (I remain skeptical of all rumors about huge IPC gains because they usually don't pan out.) The thing I want to see is detailed reviews of the $150 Z490 mobos. For the 9000s on Z390 the mobo cost difference was a major thing that still kept AMD way in the lead on total system price. If intel has cut the chipset cost enough that the cheap boards are still decent that's a big change. But it could also be they're cut down on layer count and high-speed ram will be hard to run or something like that. (I wonder how much of Ryzen's "so picky about ram" rep is most people having mobos with 2 fewer layers than an intel board.)
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My best case scenario with Zen 3 would be an under 5% difference at 1440p in max frame rate & frame times. If I understand what's actually driving this difference correctly I think we' ll need a next gen interconnect/IF and socket.
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DOOMocrat posted:Jarrod's Tech has their usual CPU comparison charts up for the i9 10th vs the 3950x Khorne fucked around with this message at 17:14 on May 20, 2020 |
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May 20, 2020 17:06
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Oh I know it's dumb I've locked myself into hardware decisions based around 240hz TN panel response times, but I still have.
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DOOMocrat posted:Oh I know it's dumb I've locked myself into hardware decisions based around 240hz TN panel response times, but I still have.
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May 20, 2020 17:29
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3900X is now $390 at Microcenter (and supposedly $410 elsewhere, but it's still $439 at Newegg).
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fknlo posted:I didn't even have to order a 3xxx to get them to do this gently caress me, haha. Glad to help!
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The 10900K reviews are like "This roughly competes with a 3900X!" but like, 3900X not only is cheaper but it's not a power hog running at 90°C to do so. It's not a bad processor per se but I feel like every review seems to have an element of "This is fine" dog in it. The 10600K is an almost sane choice though, pricing hits it a bit though.
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EmpyreanFlux posted:The 10900K reviews are like "This roughly competes with a 3900X!" but like, 3900X not only is cheaper but it's not a power hog running at 90°C to do so. It's not a bad processor per se but I feel like every review seems to have an element of "This is fine" dog in it. The 10700k and the 10600k are reasonable choices if your use case is high refresh rate gaming, you pair with a very fast gpu, and you care more about absolute performance than perf/dollar and perf/watt. Otherwise, probably not so much.
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The 10700k is a solid chip but it's hard to pass up the 3900X at $390-410 right now unless you're doing all gaming, it has the biggest price cut of any Ryzen 3000 SKU vs original MSRP.
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May 22, 2020 01:34
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I just built a Ryzen 5 3600X system and it seems more than adequate for my gaming purposes at 1440p. Are the more powerful processors mostly just needed for 4k and concurrent streaming and the like? Multiple displays? Multitasking?
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I just built a Ryzen 5 3600X system and it seems more than adequate for my gaming purposes at 1440p. Are the more powerful processors mostly just needed for 4k and concurrent streaming and the like? Multiple displays? Multitasking? Not for 4k, the CPU requirements are pretty invariant of resolution for games. If you're streaming games more cores is good for running the broadcast software and a high-quality encoder. But in general, no, a home user doesn't need more than a 3600 for games or any other normal home user application. You need more cores if you're doing professional work of various types. 3d modeling, code compiling, video production, and other nerd jobs.
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But sir, have you considered one cpu has a bigger number than the other?
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May 22, 2020 02:34
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the more powerful your pc the more powerful your Poasts become
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https://twitter.com/hms1193/status/1263588040041103360?s=19 I think I'll wait a little bit longer and get an A520 instead Also, this seems to suggest one more line of CPUs after Ryzen 4000 that's still on AM4 and still supported by B550 etc., though I guess that might just be Zen 3-based APUs. gradenko_2000 fucked around with this message at 03:22 on May 22, 2020 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/hms1193/status/1263588040041103360?s=19 As bad as marketing AMD's slides often are, there is still like a 1% percent chance at best that is from an AMD slide deck.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:the more powerful your pc the more powerful your Poasts become yeah but can your poast run crysis?
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At minimum settings 
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taqueso posted:At minimum settings it's ok buddy at this rate all you need is a b450 and you can upgrade your poasts for life
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 And they say that war was forgotten.
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NewFatMike posted:
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tbh i appreciate you folks finding and pointing these out, theyre fascinating in that 'train wreck' sense
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gradenko_2000 posted:how juvenile are these people? They had an extreme meltdown when zen2 didn't suck. They changed all the algorithms on their site to make it appear worse than it is. The end result was i3s being rated higher than i5/i7/i9, including ancient 4c/4t that weren't good. They also have said only paid advertising shills post in favor of AMD, the more core trend is a conspiracy/marketing thing, etc. It's like they time traveled from Bulldozer days when "more cores" really was an advertising thing for a garbage architecture. But it's 2020, and consoles are coming out with 8c zen2 CPUs. It's 2020 and some of the newest games will pin 6c and benefit from 8c while every "desktop" application uses chromium and maxes out a cpu core. I like Intel's current CPU offerings more than most goons. Especially now that they are trying to fight back on price. You can still cool the latest Intel cpus on $50 air coolers. There's just no reason to downplay that AMD released their first decent, competitive, non-budget-gpu product in 10 years. I even bought a 3900x under the pretense that I'd buy a 9900k if I ran into games I couldn't hit 240fps minimums on that it could, and so far I haven't found that game and the 3900x has been great. Khorne fucked around with this message at 14:35 on May 22, 2020 |
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Anyone know what's the impact of enabling Hyper-V on gaming performance? I would have thought it would be significant but the internet is surprisingly unclear on the topic. Thinking of using WSL2, but don't want to have to toggle Hyper-V to game.
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With modern virtualization, impact is fairly minimal because the VM containers resources are pretty much all directly mapped to the underlying hardware just with scoping. You don't run in to significant impact until there is resource contention that forces the hypervisor to juggle multiple vm loads against the same core or page/compress/dedupe/balloon memory.
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Minimal and it's likely enabled anyway with new computers for virtualization based security
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v1ld posted:Anyone know what's the impact of enabling Hyper-V on gaming performance? I would have thought it would be significant but the internet is surprisingly unclear on the topic. No noticeable impact. I'm running Hyper-V to run VMs for work and I game on the same machine. The impact will occur if you tax out your total CPU threads. I.e.: You make a HyperV VM that has 4 cores and you only have 4 cores total, then your normal tasks and VM tasks are fighting for threads.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Also, this seems to suggest one more line of CPUs after Ryzen 4000 that's still on AM4 and still supported by B550 etc., though I guess that might just be Zen 3-based APUs. I don't think there's any technical reason that they couldn't pair Zen4/5/whatever with a Zen2/3 era I/O die to make it work on AM4, barring big changes to infinity fabric. Would they want to do that is another question entirely, and I kinda doubt it.
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Theris posted:I don't think there's any technical reason that they couldn't pair Zen4/5/whatever with a Zen2/3 era I/O die to make it work on AM4, barring big changes to infinity fabric. Would they want to do that is another question entirely, and I kinda doubt it. wasn't there already some cross-over capability from DDR2 and DDR3 in the AM3 era? I think it's only gotten better/easier than that over time I guess the big question is whether DDR5 is going to be so expensive that it keeps people away from upgrading right away and AMD (and Intel, for that matter) feel like there's still some value to be had in selling chips to people who want to stay with their current boards
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Good to hear on the passive cost of enabling Hyper-V being low. I'm not planning to run virtualized services in parallel with games but was wondering about Windows itself running virtualized, which seems to be the case with Hyper-V enabled.
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gradenko_2000 posted:
Its quite telling that they've been straight banned from multiple hardware related subreddits. When Reddit is too good for you, you have problems.
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Some Goon posted:Its quite telling that they've been straight banned from multiple hardware related subreddits. When Reddit is too good for you, you have problems. Now I have to ask: which site is that?
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v1ld posted:Now I have to ask: which site is that? Userbenchmark. You can't post it in r/hardware or r/intel at the very least, not sure about others.
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Some Goon posted:Userbenchmark. You can't post it in r/hardware or r/intel at the very least, not sure about others. They're doing nothing great with the dataset, nothing great with the benchmarking/diagnosis tool, and are wrecking the reputation of what could be one of the best 'user benchmark' sites around.
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Some Goon posted:Userbenchmark. You can't post it in r/hardware or r/intel at the very least, not sure about others. It took until, like, last month, but they're banned from r/amd as well. Fanboyism (which is to say: tribalism and absence of critical thinking) ruins anything it manages to attach to. Edit: to be clear, userbenchmark are the fanboys here mdxi fucked around with this message at 18:59 on May 22, 2020 |
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v1ld posted:Anyone know what's the impact of enabling Hyper-V on gaming performance? I would have thought it would be significant but the internet is surprisingly unclear on the topic. around 2% for each layer of virtualization, was the number I saw thrown around
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v1ld posted:Good to hear on the passive cost of enabling Hyper-V being low. I'm not planning to run virtualized services in parallel with games but was wondering about Windows itself running virtualized, which seems to be the case with Hyper-V enabled. Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 19:01 on May 22, 2020 |
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Virtualization was disabled by default in the MSI x570 Unify bios for this new machine. Will toggle it on this weekend. Virtualization Based Security sounds pretty good to have.
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