Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them
it’s gonna lead to the complete collapse of any sort of lockdown and a huge second wave lol

and no one in government will be punished


116 is a noncototient, meaning that there is no solution to the equation m − φ(m) = n, where φ stands for Euler's totient function.[1]

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid
countdown to laura k's breathless rebuttal via an anonymous government source, who asked that he only be referred to by the pseudonym "Cominic Dummings", that "he definitely didn't do it but if he did then it wasn't against the rules and if it was against the rules he doesn't care"

nurmie
Dec 8, 2019
Man, so sorry to hear about this. Wish there was anything I could do to help beyond the "go to support orgs/journalists" advice that's been given already. The whole thing really sucks and please be careful.

Guavanaut posted:

And more proof that the police care more about false reporting of rape than they do about actual rape.

Idk, I might sound like a conspiracy nut, but the more I read about these cases the more it feels that the police was/is corrupt, involved, complicit and covering for it somehow. I just can't in good faith buy the whole "we didn't want to seem racist" excuse. The convenient right-wing ~evil brown people~ narrative not helping at all.

bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them
https://twitter.com/AvaSantina/status/1264215959381905409

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro



Today's been a lovely day but this brought a smile to my face

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

nurmie posted:

Idk, I might sound like a conspiracy nut, but the more I read about these cases the more it feels that the police was/is corrupt, involved, complicit and covering for it somehow. I just can't in good faith buy the whole "we didn't want to seem racist" excuse. The convenient right-wing ~evil brown people~ narrative not helping at all.
Yeah, there's the cases where it's a copper or a copper's mate who's involved, and those are institutionally corrupt blue code stuff, but there's also all the poo poo with confiscating mobile devices from people reporting rape and sexual abuse that's ostensibly about "discouraging false reporting" but is more likely to stop genuine survivors coming forward, especially if they've poo poo scared that they'll get in trouble themselves for unrelated things like drug offences.

There's hardly any other crimes treated like that, if I report a break in they don't impound my phone to see if I've got an elaborate discussion with my mates on how I'm going to smash my back window, flog my TV, and claim it back on the insurance, even though as a percentage of thefts insurance fraud is more common (and has an actual benefit to the person committing it) than false rape reports as a percentage of rapes.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

nurmie posted:

Man, so sorry to hear about this. Wish there was anything I could do to help beyond the "go to support orgs/journalists" advice that's been given already. The whole thing really sucks and please be careful.


Idk, I might sound like a conspiracy nut, but the more I read about these cases the more it feels that the police was/is corrupt, involved, complicit and covering for it somehow. I just can't in good faith buy the whole "we didn't want to seem racist" excuse. The convenient right-wing ~evil brown people~ narrative not helping at all.

Rochdale was spooky as hell. All the whistleblowers reported police intimidation and saw their careers mysteriously stall.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Absolute gall of them.
Sending out police to harass people to make sure they weren't 2km from their home, while they can gallivant about the country while infected.


Anyone asking where did they stop along the way? As there is no way do drive 200 miles and not stop for a piss break.

Next weeks PMQs will be hilarious.

bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them
https://twitter.com/AbiWilks/status/1264221863808577541

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Darth Walrus posted:

Rochdale was spooky as hell. All the whistleblowers reported police intimidation and saw their careers mysteriously stall.
Wasn't the council building robbed of a bunch of their files too? Allegedly by 'common criminals' who only went for child abuse files, or was that one of the other ones?

nurmie
Dec 8, 2019

Guavanaut posted:

Yeah, there's the cases where it's a copper or a copper's mate who's involved, and those are institutionally corrupt blue code stuff, but there's also all the poo poo with confiscating mobile devices from people reporting rape and sexual abuse that's ostensibly about "discouraging false reporting" but is more likely to stop genuine survivors coming forward, especially if they've poo poo scared that they'll get in trouble themselves for unrelated things like drug offences.

I was sort of aiming Rochdale, Rotheram et al with the police corruption stuff specifically, but there's no doubt police can be extremely weird about investigating sex-related crime, or domestic stuff. Worse, it seems to somehow span cultures and countries. I honestly wonder if there's any research on the topic of wtf is going on with that

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

As well as the general sexism and classism of British society meaning that rape investigations are never handled properly the police cannot be allowed to investigate child sex crimes effectively because every other case will be run by or for the ruling class so they're structurely pressured to just treat every case badly.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

nurmie posted:

I was sort of aiming Rochdale, Rotheram et al with the police corruption stuff specifically, but there's no doubt police can be extremely weird about investigating sex-related crime, or domestic stuff. Worse, it seems to somehow span cultures and countries. I honestly wonder if there's any research on the topic of wtf is going on with that

There's, uh, a certain degree of research on the subject, but it tends to take the researchers down strange and terrible paths. See the C-SPAM Epstein thread for a taste of what I mean. Or don't, if you value your continued sanity.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

I don't know much about Brazilian politics but I laughed at this headline considering our recent chat

"'Horror show': critics hope Bolsonaro's foul tirade could end rule "

Vamos vê-lo sair dessa

Bolsonaro se esquiva disso facilmente

Ah. Bem, no entanto...


I hope I'm wrong

Bobstar fucked around with this message at 20:26 on May 23, 2020

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
There is absolutely a multilevel and widespread entrenched institutional defense mechanism for systemic sexual abusers and pedofiles, but going too far into it gives you Epstein brain and you turn into a sentient illuminati pyramid like brace belden

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003


I love how they gave all the Tory arseholes a day to rally behind him thinking the full story was out

pitch a fitness
Mar 19, 2010

I think i had coronyavirus at the very start of the lockdown. Or at least I hope that was it because, for even a pretty mild case that mainly presented as the weird blisters, my breathing is still off 8 weeks later.

was going to start a long-post on intentions & abuse of power as today's news pissed me off but i'm tired so have this instead

c0burn
Sep 2, 2003

The KKKing
I reckon the Mirrors got photos and they're leaving those until last. Please let there be photos

dispatch_async
Nov 28, 2014

Imagine having the time to have played through 20 generations of one family in The Sims 2. Imagine making the original two members of that family Neil Buchanan and Cat Deeley. Imagine complaining to Maxis there was no technological progression. You've successfully imagined my life
Radio silence from the Tories at the moment. Nothing from LauraK or Peston. The group chat must be something to behold atm

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1264276879500095489

lol. it's almost impressive that he let half the cabinet publicly humiliate themselves like this all day despite knowing that this other stuff was probably going to come out

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



I'm guessing we'll get a day of denial and that photos of him holding that day's Telegraph come out Monday.

Hallucinogenic Toreador
Nov 21, 2000

Whoooooahh I'd be
Nothin' without you
Baaaaaa-by
It'll be interesting to see what happens if Cummings does resign, because by himself BoJo probably has as much interest in policy as an especially lazy cat. Does the Brexit faction have someone else lined up in their brain trust? it's Gove isn't it?

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
lol

https://twitter.com/CharlotteIvers/status/1264284568129089536?s=20

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

happyhippy posted:

Absolute gall of them.
Sending out police to harass people to make sure they weren't 2km from their home, while they can gallivant about the country while infected.


Anyone asking where did they stop along the way? As there is no way do drive 200 miles and not stop for a piss break.

Next weeks PMQs will be hilarious.

In that Keir will ask a question about it, BoJo will waffle, and nothing material will happen?

dispatch_async
Nov 28, 2014

Imagine having the time to have played through 20 generations of one family in The Sims 2. Imagine making the original two members of that family Neil Buchanan and Cat Deeley. Imagine complaining to Maxis there was no technological progression. You've successfully imagined my life
Parliament is in recess next week

dispatch_async
Nov 28, 2014

Imagine having the time to have played through 20 generations of one family in The Sims 2. Imagine making the original two members of that family Neil Buchanan and Cat Deeley. Imagine complaining to Maxis there was no technological progression. You've successfully imagined my life
https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1264291113550176258

Feels a bit late for the blanket denial after they confirmed the first story

Jrbg
May 20, 2014

dispatch_async posted:

Feels a bit late for the blanket denial after they confirmed the first story

Everyone now has goldfish brains, especially their supporters, it'll work just fine

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT


uh yeah, jesus, I'm sorry

also you know, you can't control the narrative around something like this. You can avoid giving oxygen to lovely people and their attitudes, put forward your own take on things if you want to, but it's not something you have the power to control - especially if it's already gone public and people are talking about it. So don't feel responsible, just try and contact some of the kinds of groups people have mentioned, hopefully that journalist who's looking into it will put some pressure on, and just do what you can to get your cousin at least somewhere safe

Feminist groups and advocates for sexual abuse victims might be the best bet if she's literally locked up right now, but it might be best asking on social media if you can, just because people can shout out specific groups they know about or maybe get in touch themselves?

DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.
dom cummies might be replaced but it won't change owt, he's a cog in the machine as much as boris is

been a laugh so far though, especially the boilerplate, whatsapp conspired twitter lovebomb mp's and courtiers did only to be followed up with "nah actually he's doubleshit" and then

c0burn posted:

I reckon the Mirrors got photos and they're leaving those until last. Please let there be photos

Probably something like this after another boilerplate pr attempt through whatsapp

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

Bacon Terrorist posted:

Thanks for your kind words. Yeah it's all so complicated with this and then there is the standard misinformation spreading everywhere on the back of it too. Unfortunately the police have actually remanded my cousin in custody until a court appearance on June 19th for 'peverting the course of justice' by 'falsely accusing persons of rape' despite the fact she was beaten so badly she was in intensive care and her attackers tried to cut a finger and a breast off. At least her attackers can't get to her in the meantime I suppose. Maggie Oliver, the detective who was whistleblower on the Rochdale cases is getting involved which seems to be a good thing though it'll probably turn out she believes in muslamic ray guns or something.

If your cousin is in custody, and you believe that there is a concerted police action against her (such as threats to charge her with making a false accusation as a barging chip into getting her to withdraw her rape allegation) then there are some things you can do to help.

See if you can make copies of any information she has that corroborated her story. You don't have to destroy or get rid of information, even stuff you think harms her case. (In fact doing so could make you vulnerable to a prosecution for perverting the course of justice.)
But if you can make copies of emails/photos/texts/videos that should help. If your cousin had to attend the hospitals with injuries, try and get and keep records of that. Her being assaulted and hospitalized can be evidence that she wasn't just making up a rape allegation.

Your cousin will need to get a solicitor and a good one. If you are worried about their being a conspiracy, consider going outside the local area and enlist a solicitor from the next nearest city if you have to.

Lastly there are a number of charities and advocacy groups that help with women who are the victims of sexual violence. If needs be you can talk to them to try and find out who they recommend that can help.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

DesperateDan posted:

dom cummies might be replaced but it won't change owt, he's a cog in the machine as much as boris is

been a laugh so far though, especially the boilerplate, whatsapp conspired twitter lovebomb mp's and courtiers did only to be followed up with "nah actually he's doubleshit" and then


Probably something like this after another boilerplate pr attempt through whatsapp

We've seen how willing the government is to discard expendable cogs in the machine. The way everyone is circling around Cummings is markedly different.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

dispatch_async posted:

https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1264291113550176258

Feels a bit late for the blanket denial after they confirmed the first story

hahaha just straight up Trumpian opposite-of-reality.txt

and it'll work too

Bacon Terrorist
May 7, 2010

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022

baka kaba posted:

uh yeah, jesus, I'm sorry

also you know, you can't control the narrative around something like this. You can avoid giving oxygen to lovely people and their attitudes, put forward your own take on things if you want to, but it's not something you have the power to control - especially if it's already gone public and people are talking about it. So don't feel responsible, just try and contact some of the kinds of groups people have mentioned, hopefully that journalist who's looking into it will put some pressure on, and just do what you can to get your cousin at least somewhere safe

Feminist groups and advocates for sexual abuse victims might be the best bet if she's literally locked up right now, but it might be best asking on social media if you can, just because people can shout out specific groups they know about or maybe get in touch themselves?

Yeah there is a quite a lot going on on social media but will investigate the relevant groups to see what can be done.

The Question IRL posted:

If your cousin is in custody, and you believe that there is a concerted police action against her (such as threats to charge her with making a false accusation as a barging chip into getting her to withdraw her rape allegation) then there are some things you can do to help.

See if you can make copies of any information she has that corroborated her story. You don't have to destroy or get rid of information, even stuff you think harms her case. (In fact doing so could make you vulnerable to a prosecution for perverting the course of justice.)
But if you can make copies of emails/photos/texts/videos that should help. If your cousin had to attend the hospitals with injuries, try and get and keep records of that. Her being assaulted and hospitalized can be evidence that she wasn't just making up a rape allegation.

Your cousin will need to get a solicitor and a good one. If you are worried about their being a conspiracy, consider going outside the local area and enlist a solicitor from the next nearest city if you have to.

Lastly there are a number of charities and advocacy groups that help with women who are the victims of sexual violence. If needs be you can talk to them to try and find out who they recommend that can help.

Thanks for the pointers, I believe her Father was looking into a specialist solicitor last time I spoke to him. There is a lot of evidence in the form of pictures of her injuries with dates taken in hospital and (not sure how credible they are evidence wise) screenshots of internet chat logs showing coercion followed with threats etc so it at least exists to that extent.

DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.

Darth Walrus posted:

We've seen how willing the government is to discard expendable cogs in the machine. The way everyone is circling around Cummings is markedly different.

I guess if you go secretly meeting with the israeli government or being disgraced former/current/schroedinger's minister liam fox you can expect to go back into a job after a year or two on the backbenches after a sad resignation letter

Whatever cummies did they want him burnt permanent like I guess, and/or maybe he didn't want to go and refused to resign/factional poo poo is happening.

That, and it would be easy enough to "retire" him and keep him pretty much just as active

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
Likes Cake, Hates Hamsters



Darth Walrus posted:

We've seen how willing the government is to discard expendable cogs in the machine. The way everyone is circling around Cummings is markedly different.

Part of the reason they are defending him in my view is because he's ablative armour, people are questioning his judgement when what they should be doing is questioning the judgement of the PM.

DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.

Zalakwe posted:

Part of the reason they are defending him in my view is because he's ablative armour, people are questioning his judgement when what they should be doing is questioning the judgement of the PM.

As per the graun-

Downing Street declined to comment on the new claims before publication. On Saturday night they issued this statement: “Yesterday the Mirror and Guardian wrote inaccurate stories about Mr Cummings. Today they are writing more inaccurate stories including claims that Mr Cummings returned to Durham after returning to work in Downing Street on 14 April. We will not waste our time answering a stream of false allegations about Mr Cummings from campaigning newspapers.”



Dom cummies has thrown many dead cats, now he is the dead cat

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


https://twitter.com/iamsimonyoung/status/1259591486523486209?s=20

Check the date on that. Laura is some reporter.

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

Bacon Terrorist posted:

Thanks for the pointers, I believe her Father was looking into a specialist solicitor last time I spoke to him. There is a lot of evidence in the form of pictures of her injuries with dates taken in hospital and (not sure how credible they are evidence wise) screenshots of internet chat logs showing coercion followed with threats etc so it at least exists to that extent.

Don't overthink if something is relevant or not, gather absolutely everything you can especially if it's from the time around when the abuse happened.

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"

Mister Police, I gave you all the clues!

bornbytheriver
Apr 23, 2010

happyhippy posted:

Boris will just hide for a week like he does when important poo poo has to be decided, then will act like it never happened.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

is dominic cummings the guy who suggested that everyone die and then ended up sprinting from 10 downing st when Boris got corona?

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply