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Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E
Anti mask movement is going to do wonders for this country.

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zer0spunk
Nov 6, 2000

devil never even lived
5/1:

zer0spunk posted:


if history repeats itself we're going to get a whole "anti mask" movement.

drat antimasxxers

this just in: history repeats itself

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?
It’s totally insane to me. Not just refusing to wear one because you’re a spoiled idiot baby, sure, but screaming at other people to take theirs off? What is the reasoning behind that?

binge crotching
Apr 2, 2010

Rolo posted:

It’s totally insane to me. Not just refusing to wear one because you’re a spoiled idiot baby, sure, but screaming at other people to take theirs off? What is the reasoning behind that?

Other people wearing masks invalidates their worldview that there is nothing wrong.

zer0spunk
Nov 6, 2000

devil never even lived

Rolo posted:

It’s totally insane to me. Not just refusing to wear one because you’re a spoiled idiot baby, sure, but screaming at other people to take theirs off? What is the reasoning behind that?

why from 102 years ago:

quote:

Some objections to the ordinance were based on questions of scientific data while others considered the requirement to infringe on civil liberties

just be thankful they didn't have social media in 1918

e: i wonder if anyone now is like "well my grandfather was an anti masker, so ya know what are ya gunna do! *dusts off family protest signs*"

zer0spunk fucked around with this message at 16:23 on May 24, 2020

cash crab
Apr 5, 2015

all the time i am eating from the trashcan. the name of this trashcan is ideology


Rolo posted:

It’s totally insane to me. Not just refusing to wear one because you’re a spoiled idiot baby, sure, but screaming at other people to take theirs off? What is the reasoning behind that?

knowing you’re doing something irresponsible or dangerous is easier is everyone else is also doing it. therefore, “educating” people about how what you’re doing is actually Cool and Good validates your own lovely behaviour by making it common.

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?
Wow that sucks!

pop punk
Jun 26, 2018

:420::420::420:
I was pretty baffled about Sweden until someone I know from there explained that

Their scientist think that a vaccine isn't going to happen or take too long to matter, and that herd immunity will work. So while the numbers are higher now, they will reach herd immunity faster and the same number of people will die over all from corona virus directly. IF they are right it actually sounds semi reasonable. Especially if they have enough flexibility on average to isolate the old and at risk. (Also it will spread faster if no one wears masks.) I probably won't have any opinion of if Sweden is crazy or crazy smart for a few years.

I am personally waiting for more information and wearing my mask when we go out. We managed to make it 22 days without going out, and are about to shoot for 40 so we can completely isolate for 20 days then hang out with our old people.

Hazo
Dec 30, 2004

SCIENCE



Sweden’s business-as-usual approach was specifically cited as ideal by Rand Paul during his insane rant at the Fauci hearing a week or so ago.

Lord Decimus Barnacle
Jun 25, 2005


Hell Gem
It’s a risky thing to attempt with a brand new disease we don’t even know if herd immunity will exist for.

Slowing down the spread isn’t just to lower the curve it gives medical professionals time to find new treatments to reduce mortality from the disease.

A lotta chuds keep saying “the same amount of people were going to die no matter what we do so we need open up now” when that is just not true.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

pop punk posted:

I was pretty baffled about Sweden until someone I know from there explained that

Their scientist think that a vaccine isn't going to happen or take too long to matter, and that herd immunity will work. So while the numbers are higher now, they will reach herd immunity faster and the same number of people will die over all from corona virus directly. IF they are right it actually sounds semi reasonable. Especially if they have enough flexibility on average to isolate the old and at risk. (Also it will spread faster if no one wears masks.) I probably won't have any opinion of if Sweden is crazy or crazy smart for a few years.

I am personally waiting for more information and wearing my mask when we go out. We managed to make it 22 days without going out, and are about to shoot for 40 so we can completely isolate for 20 days then hang out with our old people.

Naw. Sweden galaxy brained their way to the death meme and now we’re all trying to :hmmyes: like they’re some arthouse movie

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe
I'm just astounded by how no one has been shot yet for coughing on someone or attempting to get them to de-mask when people have been shot for asking others to wear masks.

Mr Luxury Yacht
Apr 16, 2012


Also like giving the healthcare system time to prepare.

Like flat out, if we hadn't taken measures in Canada we would have been hosed. The hospitals didn't have the equipment or capacity to handle Italy level spikes in March or early April. Not to mention when things get bad, you'd have to compensate for healthcare providers also getting knocked out by the disease further reducing your capacity to treat.

Thanks to distancing we've had time to prepare and are in somewhere a better position to ride things out if the numbers stay managed. But I mean as things are they already had to call in the military to help staff long term care facilities because of how many caregivers were getting sick.

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E

Z the IVth posted:

I'm just astounded by how no one has been shot yet for coughing on someone or attempting to get them to de-mask when people have been shot for asking others to wear masks.

Because in this timeline the virus is fake and does not pose a mortal threat.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Shaocaholica posted:

Anti mask movement is going to do wonders for this country.

Rolo posted:

It’s totally insane to me. Not just refusing to wear one because you’re a spoiled idiot baby, sure, but screaming at other people to take theirs off? What is the reasoning behind that?

The GOP death cult has successfully indoctrinated their most loyal base to believe that any attempt to work together as a community (county/state/national level) is impossible, because any type of interaction with someone who doesn't identify 100% with your belief system is the enemy and should not be talked to, only yelled at in a shrill manner. Any attempts that the other side makes to accomplish anything (even if it benefits everyone equally) should be protested, subverted, and destroyed without hesitation. To a lot of them, wearing a mask is a giant political statement (not an attempt to protect yourself and others) and must be resisted and if possible destroyed to preserve the "American Way". Also. . .

-Any type of financial assistance from the Government to the people is a handout that makes people lazy* **
-Any type of political concession, appeasement, compromise, agreement with your rivals is a crime
-People who are poor, get sick, or die are somehow deserving of their fate.
-Having something in common with or doing something that people on the other side of the political spectrum do means you are a traitor
-Any bad things that happen to you/your country is the fault of your political rivals, no exceptions.

*unless that person is very rich, then they deserve it
**unless it's a massive company, then they deserve it

Z the IVth posted:

I'm just astounded by how no one has been shot yet for coughing on someone or attempting to get them to de-mask when people have been shot for asking others to wear masks.

It's the people not wearing masks that are the one who have the murder fantasies and want to shoot people. People who are wearing masks actually value human life.

Blistex fucked around with this message at 17:04 on May 24, 2020

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
If you want a cheap LOL ask a conservative if they returned their corona stimulus check and told the IRS they didn't want it.

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E
Burn your communist check on video and post it to social media to own the libs. Double patriot points if you do it on Memorial Day. Points are limited act fast to also get a free hat. (Hat not made in USA)

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

Schizzy to the matic

Hazo posted:

Sweden’s business-as-usual approach was specifically cited as ideal by Rand Paul during his insane rant at the Fauci hearing a week or so ago.

Im going to take a wild guess and assume he glossed over the social safety net they have that allows their seniors to stay home and isolated while the rest of the country gets roni'd up?

zer0spunk
Nov 6, 2000

devil never even lived

Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

Also like giving the healthcare system time to prepare.

Like flat out, if we hadn't taken measures in Canada we would have been hosed. The hospitals didn't have the equipment or capacity to handle Italy level spikes in March or early April. Not to mention when things get bad, you'd have to compensate for healthcare providers also getting knocked out by the disease further reducing your capacity to treat.

Thanks to distancing we've had time to prepare and are in somewhere a better position to ride things out if the numbers stay managed. But I mean as things are they already had to call in the military to help staff long term care facilities because of how many caregivers were getting sick.

I think that's the narrative that gets lost.

Nothing has changed. Opening up just means they will have an open ICU bed for you.

So yeah, let's all pile into the local dennys and cough on each other. Everything is great again.

military cervix
Dec 24, 2006

Hey guys

pop punk posted:

I was pretty baffled about Sweden until someone I know from there explained that

Their scientist think that a vaccine isn't going to happen or take too long to matter, and that herd immunity will work. So while the numbers are higher now, they will reach herd immunity faster and the same number of people will die over all from corona virus directly. IF they are right it actually sounds semi reasonable. Especially if they have enough flexibility on average to isolate the old and at risk. (Also it will spread faster if no one wears masks.) I probably won't have any opinion of if Sweden is crazy or crazy smart for a few years.

I am personally waiting for more information and wearing my mask when we go out. We managed to make it 22 days without going out, and are about to shoot for 40 so we can completely isolate for 20 days then hang out with our old people.

The swedish approach might have sounded vaguely reasonable at the start of the pandemic. Tegnell's guiding assumption seem to be that containment isn't really possible in the long term, but I think it is likely that he will be proven wrong. A lot of other countries have shown that it is indeed possible to contain the pandemic through a combination of lockdowns at first, followed by the intensive contact tracing and extensive testing.

Also, they reaaally haven't been succesful in terms of isolating the old, an astounding amount of the dead lived in nursing homes.

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E
Also don’t go to the ICU if you don’t have the right insurance. Making others pay for your ventilator time is communism. Shake it off at home because it’s deadliness is overblown by the lib media. Even if you have insurance going to the ICU is against the narrative.

pop punk
Jun 26, 2018

:420::420::420:

Dear Watson posted:

It’s a risky thing to attempt with a brand new disease we don’t even know if herd immunity will exist for.

Slowing down the spread isn’t just to lower the curve it gives medical professionals time to find new treatments to reduce mortality from the disease.

A lotta chuds keep saying “the same amount of people were going to die no matter what we do so we need open up now” when that is just not true.

Yeah, I am not interested in taking any chances, but I also have anxiety and moved out of a major city because I am worried about things like this so my personal positions are likely unreasonable. If I were in Sweden I would still be isolating as a pretty healthy person.

The reality is that I didn't know what a "lipid layer" was last month so I am not ready to commit to calling anyone crazy. (Like official people making decisions. Anyone protesting anything right now looks pretty crazy to me.)

Bio-Hazard
Mar 8, 2004
I HATE POLITICS IN SOCCER AS MUCH AS I LOVE RACISM IN SOCCER
I don't wear a mask because it makes people upset and it's hilarious. It's not at all political.

Hey the government also said to drive the speed limit so make sure you do that too.

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zer0spunk
Nov 6, 2000

devil never even lived


hey casino goon, are they doing gambler space pods at your house of shame?

zer0spunk
Nov 6, 2000

devil never even lived

Bio-Hazard posted:

I don't wear a mask because it makes people upset and it's hilarious. It's not at all political.

Hey the government also said to drive the speed limit so make sure you do that too.

ooo edgy takes ITT

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

zer0spunk posted:



hey casino goon, are they doing gambler space pods at your house of shame?

I'm not going to let this illness affect my illness.

Frank Frank
Jun 13, 2001

Mirrored

Bio-Hazard posted:

I don't wear a mask because it makes people upset and it's hilarious. It's not at all political.

Hey the government also said to drive the speed limit so make sure you do that too.

Yeah but why stop there? Maybe don't wear pants! Go to restaurants naked! Yielding to pedestrians in crosswalks? Nah - it makes people super mad when I just run them over. Red lights are for pussies, just floor it!
Haha oh man the times you'll have.

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo

zer0spunk posted:



hey casino goon, are they doing gambler space pods at your house of shame?

Roni chips? It all seems worthless.

Bio-Hazard posted:

I don't wear a mask because it makes people upset and it's hilarious. It's not at all political.

Hey the government also said to drive the speed limit so make sure you do that too.

Seat belts are for pussys right?

zer0spunk
Nov 6, 2000

devil never even lived

Blistex posted:

I'm not going to let this illness affect my illness.

you know the ole saying "what happens in vegas irrevocably changes your respiratory capability for the remainder of your shortened lifespan"

catchy stuff

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel

Alan Smithee posted:

while you were safe at home I studied the pistil

:haw:

coronavirus
Jan 27, 2020

by Cyrano4747

Son of Rodney posted:

Isn't Sweden literally first place on deaths per capita? After the dust has settled we'll see how the tactic of "business as usual but try to keep distance, if you want, idk lol" compares to others but yeah it comes with a heavy price.

The last time I looked the death rate per million for Sweden was like 450 and USA with 310.

Hypothetically, if at the end of this the difference between massive stay at home orders versus sorta business as usual, the only difference is maybe an 30% higher rate, it is absolutely not clear if that prevented the most deaths overall and almost certainly caused more suffering.

zer0spunk
Nov 6, 2000

devil never even lived

coronavirus posted:

The last time I looked the death rate per million for Sweden was like 450 and USA with 310.

Hypothetically, if at the end of this the difference between massive stay at home orders versus sorta business as usual, the only difference is maybe an 30% higher rate, it is absolutely not clear if that prevented the most deaths overall and almost certainly caused more suffering.

nice try coronavirus,

but i'm staying home FOREVER

Mr Luxury Yacht
Apr 16, 2012


coronavirus posted:

The last time I looked the death rate per million for Sweden was like 450 and USA with 310.

Hypothetically, if at the end of this the difference between massive stay at home orders versus sorta business as usual, the only difference is maybe an 30% higher rate, it is absolutely not clear if that prevented the most deaths overall and almost certainly caused more suffering.

Name/post combo lol. Nice try.

I mean a 30% higher death rate in the US would be an extra 30,000 dead as of now. I'm sure those people would disagree.

"I mean it's only the equivalent of if we filled up Madison Square Garden one and a half times and machine gunned everyone inside. What's the big deal?"

Mr Luxury Yacht fucked around with this message at 18:00 on May 24, 2020

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



This is all just a warm-up for the fall, when we get to find out:
  • Which states spent the money to rebuild their stockpiles in time, and which did not
  • How badly having the flu predisposes you to complications from covid-19
  • How deadly the flu is in a year when flu patients can't go to the hospital
  • How to have hundreds of thousands of quarantine babies when moms are afraid to go to the hospital
  • How to raise a newborn in a world where the baby food and diapers are never in stock
  • How Trump is going to cancel the election

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo

coronavirus posted:

The last time I looked the death rate per million for Sweden was like 450 and USA with 310.

Hypothetically, if at the end of this the difference between massive stay at home orders versus sorta business as usual, the only difference is maybe an 30% higher rate, it is absolutely not clear if that prevented the most deaths overall and almost certainly caused more suffering.

Suffering like death or life long debilitating conditions? Or like hair cuts.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


We won't have to wait till fall.

We went full this doesnt spread in the heat, which only correlates with people being outside more.

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel

Z the IVth posted:

I'm just astounded by how no one has been shot yet for coughing on someone or attempting to get them to de-mask when people have been shot for asking others to wear masks.

I'm waiting for it. But, in my opinion, people who wear masks are generally not the type of people that would be hostile since they are the ones trying to be safe.

I don't want to say I'm hoping for someone to defend themselves like that, but I am. Not getting shot of course but punching someone out or something.

edit: If someone just touches me I'm knocking them the gently caress out and then pepper spraying them. This is all making me very angry.

Pennywise the Frown fucked around with this message at 18:06 on May 24, 2020

Hazo
Dec 30, 2004

SCIENCE



https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Only 100-odd deaths so far today after days of ~1200. The death rate has mysteriously slowed to crawl just shy of 100k :thunk:

zer0spunk
Nov 6, 2000

devil never even lived
That NYTimes thing with one sentence blurbs about 1000 dead people is roughhhhh.

Some of them are also..less then ideal. One guy had "liked big meals" as his life-summed-up-in-one-sentence

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Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

zer0spunk posted:



hey casino goon, are they doing gambler space pods at your house of shame?

My favorite part of this photo is that you can see reflections on the barrier. This seems less than ideal for poker.

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