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Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

She is right that women are generally way more explicit about sex than men.

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some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
Lollin at the idea of Amber storming into a DSA meeting like Jesus into the temple but instead of moneylenders tables she's turning over wheelchairs

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
I would pay to see Amber kick Kissinger and Dershowitz out of their wheelchairs.

some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Halloween Jack posted:

I would pay to see Amber kick Kissinger and Dershowitz out of their wheelchairs.

No horny posting in the Chapo thread

miniscule12
Jan 8, 2020

HAHA YEAH HE PEED IN HIS OWN MOUTH I'M GONNA KEEP BRINGING IT UP.

Crane Fist posted:

I also enjoy making things up and then slowly coming to believe them

You can still be a bad person and a socalist.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

miniscule12 posted:

You can still be a bad person and a socalist.

Are you calling yourself a socialist?

some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

miniscule12 posted:

You can still be a bad person and a socalist.

I know being a socialist requires a degree of fantasism but you're just making things up my dude

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

For people unaware, the original drama that led to Amber being called ableist was when she held a DSA workshop in a second floor room with no handicap access, and when somebody asked her if they could move the workshop she said no.

Now, the fact that the DSA had used that room many times before and nobody had complained, whatever, let's leave that aside, doesn't matter.

The real fun part is that the workshop was to teach people how to do canvassing. Y'know, door-to-door canvassing. Specifically, it was in preparation for planned DSA canvassing in a neighborhood of New York City that was full of old apartment buildings with no elevators. So if you wanted to canvas above the first floor, you'd have to use the stairs.

Which is why Amber didn't think it was reasonable to reschedule the workshop in order to have it in a room that was accessible to people who can't climb stairs.

miniscule12 has managed to warp that in his brain to "Amber kicked all the disabled people out of the DSA"

some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Gripweed posted:

For people unaware, the original drama that led to Amber being called ableist was when she held a DSA workshop in a second floor room with no handicap access, and when somebody asked her if they could move the workshop she said no.

Now, the fact that the DSA had used that room many times before and nobody had complained, whatever, let's leave that aside, doesn't matter.

The real fun part is that the workshop was to teach people how to do canvassing. Y'know, door-to-door canvassing. Specifically, it was in preparation for planned DSA canvassing in a neighborhood of New York City that was full of old apartment buildings with no elevators. So if you wanted to canvas above the first floor, you'd have to use the stairs.

Which is why Amber didn't think it was reasonable to reschedule the workshop in order to have it in a room that was accessible to people who can't climb stairs.

miniscule12 has managed to warp that in his brain to "Amber kicked all the disabled people out of the DSA"

You're forgetting the part where a self-diagnosed autistic guy who lives in a condo paid for by his dad who works at Raytheon wrote a series of 10,000 word medium posts accusing the M4A caucus of ableism and got it shut down because his disability working group changed their email and forgot to tell anyone

The whole thing is so insanely funny I hate to see it sold short

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
Having read ahead on Million Little Things episode summaries, Felix has to finish that show and only that show.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Crane Fist posted:

You're forgetting the part where a self-diagnosed autistic guy who lives in a condo paid for by his dad who works at Raytheon wrote a series of 10,000 word medium posts accusing the M4A caucus of ableism and got it shut down because his disability working group changed their email and forgot to tell anyone

The whole thing is so insanely funny I hate to see it sold short

I wanna say in retrospect it was a bad idea to spend so much time and energy trying to turn the DSA into a serious political organization, but honestly it was pretty obvious at the time too.

slicing up eyeballs
Oct 19, 2005

I got me two olives and a couple of limes


Gripweed posted:

Which is why Amber didn't think it was reasonable to reschedule the workshop in order to have it in a room that was accessible to people who can't climb stairs.

People can say that they think that was a bad call without being accused of "histrionics" or whatever right

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
Kinda weird that Amber is the only one who gets subjected to long-running grudges and repeated cancellation.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

I remember that right after 2016 a few people mentioned the Green Party as a potential alternative, and that was quickly shot down by DSA people saying that the Green Party was just full of rich liberal dilettantes. Which was in retrospect pretty clearly just code for "people like my mom"

UP AND ADAM
Jan 24, 2007

by Pragmatica

Nothus posted:

Kinda weird that Amber is the only one who gets subjected to long-running grudges and repeated cancellation.

Ironically I think it's the strident speaking to class politics that truly causes this reaction in some people, more than just being an outspoken woman.

slicing up eyeballs
Oct 19, 2005

I got me two olives and a couple of limes


UP AND ADAM posted:

Ironically I think it's the strident speaking to class politics that truly causes this reaction in some people, more than just being an outspoken woman.

am I wrong or does she also just (to her credit!!) do more than the other hosts, in terms of non-podcast writing and actual organizing?


Nothus posted:

Yes. Has Felix written anything since his Joker review?

e: yeah exactly - I like felix's writing but there's just not as much recently, for whatever reason. I remember matt was active in his DSA chapter pre-nyc but idk about now and I think virgil (rip) was a big booster for sex worker stuff right, and iirc did plenty of the interviews with actual organizers and workers.

slicing up eyeballs fucked around with this message at 21:35 on May 26, 2020

miniscule12
Jan 8, 2020

HAHA YEAH HE PEED IN HIS OWN MOUTH I'M GONNA KEEP BRINGING IT UP.

Gripweed posted:

For people unaware, the original drama that led to Amber being called ableist was when she held a DSA workshop in a second floor room with no handicap access, and when somebody asked her if they could move the workshop she said no.

Now, the fact that the DSA had used that room many times before and nobody had complained, whatever, let's leave that aside, doesn't matter.

The real fun part is that the workshop was to teach people how to do canvassing. Y'know, door-to-door canvassing. Specifically, it was in preparation for planned DSA canvassing in a neighborhood of New York City that was full of old apartment buildings with no elevators. So if you wanted to canvas above the first floor, you'd have to use the stairs.

Which is why Amber didn't think it was reasonable to reschedule the workshop in order to have it in a room that was accessible to people who can't climb stairs.

miniscule12 has managed to warp that in his brain to "Amber kicked all the disabled people out of the DSA"

I've heard competing stories but this side of the argument seems to provide a lot more details. I don't know I thought it was a funny thing to say.

I had a conversation with someone about it in discord a couple months back and the conflict was more framed as court drama back stabbing. I'm sure the stories about amber are all highly exaggerated.


Nothus posted:

Kinda weird that Amber is the only one who gets subjected to long-running grudges and repeated cancellation.

Women are easier to cancel than men.

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Crane Fist posted:

You're forgetting the part where a self-diagnosed autistic guy who lives in a condo paid for by his dad who works at Raytheon wrote a series of 10,000 word medium posts accusing the M4A caucus of ableism and got it shut down because his disability working group changed their email and forgot to tell anyone

The whole thing is so insanely funny I hate to see it sold short

Also led to this medium post by (i think) either nick mullen or stavros halkias, at which i laughed til i prolapsed

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

slicing up eyeballs posted:

am I wrong or does she also just (to her credit!!) do more than the other hosts, in terms of non-podcast writing and actual organizing?

Yes. Has Felix written anything since his Joker review?

Rainbow Knight
Apr 19, 2006

We die.
We pray.
To live.
We serve

slicing up eyeballs posted:

am I wrong or does she also just (to her credit!!) do more than the other hosts, in terms of non-podcast writing and actual organizing?

yeah she actually does the work. she's not always as socially graceful as people want so she gets more hate (and also because she's a woman.) she has a lot more insight to this stuff than anyone on the podcast when it comes to labor and organizing and people though imo.

Jonas Albrecht
Jun 7, 2012


I'm only a few minutes in but man that Biden clip...

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006

The reason also why she's "more liable to canceling" is because unlike most of the chapos, she's got one hell of a long career as a serious writer and as this serious figure on organizing. So of course people are gonna be more strict with her than Felix or Matt. If Matt or Felix wrote as much as her, on the same vein that isn't just an explainer or whatever, they'd probably get way more poo poo than her!

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
the best part of the DSA stuff was the dude getting all angry at being 'left out of the loop' because his tiny splinter group randomly changed emails and never told anyone so the DSA kept, ya know, emailing the old address. That was an ableism.

littleorv
Jan 29, 2011

Amber owns

Paffgen
Jul 13, 2009

miniscule12 posted:

I think amber just invented woman-splaining.

Edit: "weakness disgusts me too" ah that's why she kicked disabled people out of the dsa.

yes I also side with the false tales spun by the wrecker sons of 911 profiteers to own the sometimes annoying podcast lady

some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Clipperton posted:

Also led to this medium post by (i think) either nick mullen or stavros halkias, at which i laughed til i prolapsed

oh my god I'm dying

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m
Apr 16, 2017

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Crane Fist posted:

oh my god I'm dying

I didn't notice that every sentence ended with a ? and I was reading it in my head with that annoying upward inflection anyway

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:

I didn't notice that every sentence ended with a ? and I was reading it in my head with that annoying upward inflection anyway

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own

Jonas Albrecht posted:

I'm only a few minutes in but man that Biden clip...

The Trump/Biden debates are gonna own.

theflyingexecutive
Apr 22, 2007

It’s gotta be tricky nick, he hates the word heckin so much

The Unnamed One
Jan 13, 2012

"BOOM!"

Mr Hootington posted:

Having read ahead on Million Little Things episode summaries, Felix has to finish that show and only that show.

I decided to look it up and holy poo poo I was not expecting a goddamn 9/11 twist

They need to livestream the reaction to the season finale

papa horny michael
Aug 18, 2009

by Pragmatica
Another thing with the disability caucus was that they always held their meetings in a room without elevator access.

Omnicarus
Jan 16, 2006

Amber is pretty cool and Felix is very bad at video games, his chosen calling.

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib
Amber made the best joke of the episode when she said that "Bernie is another person that doesn't kiss rear end". Just LMAO

I really enjoy how much weird Bernie bros are grappling with the fact Biden absolutely demolished their candidate and that Bernie is now powerless and reduced to growling at Biden's feet

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Lambert posted:

Amber made the best joke of the episode when she said that "Bernie is another person that doesn't kiss rear end". Just LMAO

I really enjoy how much weird Bernie bros are grappling with the fact Biden absolutely demolished their candidate and that Bernie is now powerless and reduced to growling at Biden's feet

gently caress off and die negative attention seeking guy

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib

multijoe posted:

gently caress off and die negative attention seeking guy

Sorry you can't deal with people enjoying the podcast that aren't into Sanders? Acting like Bernie is the one politician that "doesn't kiss rear end" is very mockworthy.

Lambert fucked around with this message at 23:57 on May 26, 2020

Jonas Albrecht
Jun 7, 2012


Lambert posted:

Acting like Bernie is the one politician that "doesn't kiss rear end"

But they weren't.

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib

Jonas Albrecht posted:

But they weren't.

Except Amber verbatim said what I quoted?

Wolfsheim
Dec 23, 2003

"Ah," Ratz had said, at last, "the artiste."
Lambert Lambert, what a prick

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Jonas Albrecht
Jun 7, 2012


Lambert posted:

Except Amber verbatim said what I quoted?

No Lambert, she said that Bernie was similar to Joe Biden in that he doesn't kiss rear end.

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