Cpt_Obvious posted:

Also, the draconian punishments in QCS make open discussion nearly impossible. It keeps thing clean, yes, but frankly I do not feel comfortable posting in that forum at all because of some of the ridiculously overblown sentencing.

FFS, this comment got a guy a month. Like, I'm sorry he annoyed some mods, but loving Christ. What message does that send to people with legitimate concerns?

RaySmuckles posted:

being made top level would be a sign of acceptance by the moderation team and demonstrate that there is a place for us here

if they're unwilling to do that, how is that not a demonstration of the exact opposite: that they're just waiting for us to either go away organically or become so marginalized that we can simply be done away with without too much fuss

CharlestheHammer posted:

Though I have noticed this site is trending harder towards spite posting where people are bronging stuff up to settle grudges. it’s kind of made QCS kind of unreadable and just a useless forum.

ironically I think it’s the forum that does need tighter moderation because it does serve a purpose.

just right now it doesn’t

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

with respect but i think this is something that exists in your head. you have obsessed with abstract signifers that have taken on enormous significance and hinging on the question over whether the mods and other people will finally recognize CSPAM as a good forum. and if they do not, then that implicitly means CSPAM is a bad forum and thus is doomed to be destroyed... lost... loving up the whole canon. but that isn't a thing. and you really need to let that poo poo go because it isn't a thing, and even if it were, this probably wouldn't be the best place to litigate it.

RaySmuckles posted:

so you're telling me that c-spam is absolutely in no danger of being removed and there's no need for any further meddling by outsiders, including the moderation team?

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Also, the draconian punishments in QCS make open discussion nearly impossible. It keeps thing clean, yes, but frankly I do not feel comfortable posting in that forum at all because of some of the ridiculously overblown sentencing.

FFS, this comment got a guy a month. Like, I'm sorry he annoyed some mods, but loving Christ. What message does that send to people with legitimate concerns?

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

i can imagine scenarios where cspam is removed like if people start posting about illegal stuff and summoning the FBI like in the golden LF days. you think it is unfair that we're not a top-level forum. but it isn't unfair, in the sense that we have any control over the situation because we don't: we have no control over these events in your perspective because we're dancing in the theater of your imagination.

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

cspam being top level or not is meaningless

Cpt_Obvious posted:

This was a few pages ago, but +1 all the way.

The most damning part was said poster immediately making GBS threads out a new thread to attack his forum enemies. If anything, allowing someone to build a list, have said list revealed, and then not punishing those actions encouraged him to escalate into trying to get people banned in QCS. The next step he takes is going to be even shittier, and the mods official position is "well, we can't do anything" is going to look terrible in hindsight.

RaySmuckles posted:

being made top level would be a sign of acceptance by the moderation team and demonstrate that there is a place for us here

if they're unwilling to do that, how is that not a demonstration of the exact opposite: that they're just waiting for us to either go away organically or become so marginalized that we can simply be done away with without too much fuss

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

This can't be said enough. loving unbelievable

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

with respect but i think this is something that exists in your head. you have become obsessed with abstract signifers that have taken on enormous significance and hinging on the question over whether the mods and other people will finally recognize CSPAM as a good forum. and if they do not, then that implicitly means CSPAM is a bad forum and thus is doomed to be destroyed... lost... loving up the whole canon. but that isn't a thing. and you really need to let that poo poo go because it isn't a thing, and even if it were, this probably wouldn't be the best place to litigate it.

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

cspam being top level or not is meaningless

Asema posted:

you notice how out of all the feedback here and the back forth this one was the one that got ignored

Rastor posted:

If it isn't a thing just loving tell the slimy goblins that infest qcs (and a tiny percentage d&d) that it isn't a thing and they need to drop their obsession, delete their enemies list, and gently caress off. For as long as that doesn't happen they are going to keep banging their goblin war drums and abusing the report button and c-spam is going to be the #1 source of reports and mods are going to have to respond because of all the reports and c-spam is going to think that c-spam being doomed to be destroyed is a thing

Oh Snapple! posted:

Last thread there was mention about there being a discussion about the fyad reject thread in CCCC. Any updates on that, out of curiosity?

Rastor posted:

If it isn't a thing just loving tell the slimy goblins that infest qcs (and a tiny percentage d&d) that it isn't a thing and they need to drop their obsession, delete their enemies list, and gently caress off. For as long as that doesn't happen they are going to keep banging their goblin war drums and abusing the report button and c-spam is going to be the #1 source of reports and mods are going to have to respond because of all the reports and c-spam is going to think that c-spam being doomed to be destroyed is a thing

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

okay they should gently caress off

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

okay they should gently caress off

Asema posted:

I'll scream this at the roof tops, but I really believe a tighter ran ship in D&D would see C-SPAM's popularity and overall usage dwindle. Harsher punishment for both the "centrist/lib" posters that pretty much have perfected baiting out a leftist into crossing the line in the sand and eating a 6er and the feedback loop leftist that tries to bait those posters into defending poo poo that doesn't need to be defended and isn't what the conversation is about. I've love to see the usage/site traffic for the moment the GE thread was shut down and how much more traffic the succ dem thread got immediately afterwards.

RaySmuckles posted:

great, go tell them that

RaySmuckles posted:

lmao, ok sigmund

why isn't c-spam a top level forum?

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

well i've said gently caress off. but i don't think the goblins who inhabit troll town are worth engaging, like i've emphasized repeatedly

RaySmuckles posted:

lmao, ok sigmund

why isn't c-spam a top level forum?


why do you say that? i think it would be really cool

we'd have come a long way from being d&d refugees

Rastor posted:

yeah i agree but it needs to be said in qcs or whatever cave they live in and it needs to be firmly established

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

the #1 thing you want as a mod, unless youre insane, is less dumb drama. telling people to gently caress off directly in qcs is one way to achieve the opposite.

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

the #1 thing you want as a mod, unless youre insane, is less dumb drama. telling people to gently caress off directly in qcs is one way to achieve the opposite.

Random rear end in a top hat posted:

I mean, let's be real here, the only reason we have more posters then our parent forum in the first place is D&D's widely-unpopular rules.

I get that you're looking for some kind of concrete signal of support but making C-SPAM a top level forum wouldn't actually do anything.

The people who've been given tacit permission to conduct a sad little forums crusade against us won't give up due to some oblique gesture, hell they'll spin it as yet another reason that The Great Posting Satan must be destroyed.

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

I'm still absolutely loving gobsmacked that someone PMing other posters for a list of bad posters, and this same user definitely proving they've got--at minimum--a list of posters with the number of rap sheet entries, was deemed totally fine and unnecessary to act on, not just by you, but by several mods.

Especially after the events of the past year that comes off as insanely loving suspect.

RaySmuckles posted:

these qcs flare ups are only increasing.

Roth posted:

Which mods and admins do you guys think want C-Spam shut down?

Saagonsa posted:

Also I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to call someone a the f word anywhere on these forums.

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

Hey FOS get your rear end back in here and tell us why we should tolerate posters conspiring with other posters to make lists of their forum enemies. Tell us why that's okay and should go completely loving unremarked on or not acted upon.

Cyrano4747 posted:

Just to be absolutely clear, in the past when PM harassment has happened we have stepped in and dealt with it. It's an admin-only action and usually it is resolved by basically mediating between the affected parties. Usually if an admin wanders through and PM's a user to tell them to stop PM'ing another user, it ends pretty quickly. If it continues past that we have a few different options.

As to how to prove any of this is going on via PMs? Well, there's the rub and obviously it's open to all kinds of abuse. The system we have just isn't built for it, which is a big part of why it comes down to the admins. At the end of the day it comes down to judging a they said / they said situation. Getting user permission to log into their account is one way to go about it, although it's rarely used for obvious reasons. It's invasive as all gently caress and frankly that level of violating someone's privacy is not something I personally take lightly, nor do the other admins. In my own limited experience with these situations it hasn't been necessary. Usually both people admit the PM bullshit is happening and someone backs off once confronted.

If the PM bullshit isn't stopping the next step is to remove the offender's PMs. Any admin can grant or strip plat with their admin tools, no banning necessary. If whoever is doing the harassing re-buys plat and goes back at it then we move forward. Bans, etc. It's something we have done in the past and it's something we'll do in the future as necessary.

Again, let me emphasize that this is for harassment. Repeated unwanted and unreciprocated contact. The bar for what constitutes that is fairly high, as we don't want to get involved in people's PMs. The PM system desperately needs to be overhauled, but it's what we have for now.

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

Hey FOS get your rear end back in here and tell us why we should tolerate posters conspiring with other posters to make lists of their forum enemies. Tell us why that's okay and should go completely loving unremarked on or not acted upon.

I'm not gonna lie, after the events of the last year I'm 100% ready to believe that FOS knew about this behavior beforehand and contributed to or encouraged it, especially considering how he locked the thread immediately after Ice Phisherman's post in the general thread with some weak-rear end " so many reports " excuse.

I'm also extremely curious about the other mods who said it was fine. Was this a widely discussed topic? Is the general mod consensus that it's okay to gather lists of other posters, as long as the information is gathered secretly in PMs and nothing obvious or traceable is done with it? Is that the official stance of the mod team?

Rastor posted:

You don't have to literally say gently caress off, just that c-spam is a valued part of the forums community, that it isn't going to be deleted, people need to stop actively campaigning to get it deleted, and that a very dim view is going to be taken to bullshit uses of the report button in c-spam

Huragok posted:

as part of the reason why the cop thread got shut down, i formally request that we reopen it in light of recent events

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

Eh! Frank posted:

Fake edit, also lol that the Star Wars jokes forum is a top level forum and CSPAM isn't

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

Hey FOS get your rear end back in here and tell us why we should tolerate posters conspiring with other posters to make lists of their forum enemies. Tell us why that's okay and should go completely loving unremarked on or not acted upon.