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univbee
Jun 3, 2004




paperwind posted:

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/05/26/breaking-news/hawaii-records-no-new-coronavirus-cases-for-3rd-straight-day/

3 consecutive days with no new Covid cases reported in Hawaii is gonna rile a lot of people up to speed up our relatively glacial reopening plans.

We're talking about reopening to mass tourism as early as July as long as the visitor has a confirmed negative Covid test. I am extremely doubtful of how well that will be enforced. We're gonna get Covid-carrying haoles spreading the roni in our reopened shops and restaurants, so my conservative prediction is that we hit at least 5 new daily cases again statewide by August 15. It'll start blowing up from there, which will permanently destroy tourism in Hawaii forever.

Can't wait!

Can tests detect roni if it’s in its incubation period? Also what sort of timing on the test is it? If you get the test before arriving at the airport what’s to say you didn’t catch it en route?

RIP Hawaii.

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Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

MorrisBae posted:

So in theory, this thing could die off not because of sunlight killing the virus in the summer, but because of increased Vitamin D absorption from sunlight during the summer

The lockdown forcing everyone indoors might actually be prolonging the disease

lol
No.

Rauros
Aug 25, 2004

wanna go grub thumping?

ummm....The overall prevalence rate of vitamin D deficiency was 41.6%

Prevalence and Correlates of Vitamin D Deficiency in US Adults
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21310306/

I mean it's a serious problem in the PNW.

Lyndon LaRouche
Sep 5, 2006

by Azathoth

univbee posted:

Can tests detect roni if it’s in its incubation period? Also what sort of timing on the test is it? If you get the test before arriving at the airport what’s to say you didn’t catch it en route?

RIP Hawaii.

I'm not up to speed on how all the different tests available do their thing. I think our lawmakers are still hashing out the laws that are gonna need to be passed, but a confirmed negative test before departure (within how many hours/days, I don't know, and that seems like a huge blind spot to me), and then I read something about requiring a negative test locally here in the island 7 days after arrival. Follow the rules and you won't be subjected to our already incredibly shittily enforced 14 day quarantine. https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/05/21/some-lawmakers-want-require-negative-covid-test-before-passengers-arrive-hawaii/

There's so many loopholes though that I see this only as window dressing to appease the public here. Without any kind of instant test, it's not gonna loving work unless you agree as a passenger to a pre-departure quarantine AND negative test, followed by a second test at the airport which if it comes back negative throws you immediately into a forced quarantine facility.

My guess is that we'll eventually go the way of the mainland. It'll all be so poorly enforced and there won't be enough political will or public willingness to go back to the posture that allowed us to get to where we are right now.

Fireside Nut
Feb 10, 2010

turp



crack


ping

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS
I have a fairly mild cold and the advice for that is to get tested just in case.

It was all fairly straightforward, just rock up at the drive through testing place near me, get nose raped, get handed a bunch of info and go home.

Of course you aren't supposed to leave the house until the test results come back and I forgot to do any grocery shopping before I went and get tested which was a bad move in hindsight.

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







rockear posted:

This is not true. Melanin inhibits absorption of vitamin D from sunlight. People with darker skin living in climates with less sun are at higher risk for vitamin D deficiency. See: The Somali diaspora in Sweden.

People who live a mostly indoor lifestyle (americans, goons, american goons) regardless of skin pigment are very likely to be deficient, and it does appear to be a risk factor with COVID.

Well I don't know anything about that, but I do know that most african americans outside of one or two cities live in the south east, which is nothing but sunlight. African Americans living in Atlanta aren't getting covid because of low vitamin d levels due to climate.

And then weirdly african americans have lower rates of osteoporotic fractures but that could also just be due to not getting adequate healthcare.

im currently working in meth world USA and i very rarely see anyone under 40 with low vitamin d levels, and these people only go outside to sell the copper wiring they've stolen from abandoned houses.

but who the gently caress knows at this point. worst hting that happens from taking a supplement is you get expensive pee.

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Opensubtitles.org, a website used by a VLC extension for downloading subtitles for a video file without them, is overloaded right now. There must be a lot of people home watching [robotic announcer voice like someone taped over "Band-Aid" with "adhesive medical strips"] downloaded Internet media

MorrisBae
Jan 18, 2020

by Athanatos

Rauros posted:

ummm....The overall prevalence rate of vitamin D deficiency was 41.6%

Prevalence and Correlates of Vitamin D Deficiency in US Adults
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21310306/

I mean it's a serious problem in the PNW.

Right, and the prevalence of Vitamin D deficiency in children is negligible, which might explain why COVID only rarely affects kids:

https://tinyurl.com/yb6eanck

quote:

An analysis of data on 2877 US children and adolescents (age, 6-18 y) from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES) 2003-2006 indicated that, based on current Institute of Medicine Committee guidelines, about 10.3% of this population (an estimated 5.5 million) had inadequate vitamin D (25(OH)D) levels (< 16 ng/mL), and 4.6% (an estimated 2.5 million) had levels placing them at risk of frank deficiency (< 12 ng/mL). Adolescents (age, 14-18 y) and obese children had the highest risk of 25(OH)D deficiency and inadequacy, and these risks were also higher among girls than boys (of any age and body mass index) and among nonwhite children.

Fireside Nut
Feb 10, 2010

turp


MorrisBae posted:

I switched doctors like 5 years ago, and the doctor took one look at my skin and said "you look like you don't get out much" and had me get bloodwork - turns out I had a Vitamin D deficiency from lack of sunlight

yep, i work with clinical data and providers every day and one of them tests pretty much every patient for vitamin D levels. it was probably a majority of tests that came back deficient.

in addition to the possible covid benefits, there is also likely a link between vit d deficiency and MS. so, take a vit d supplement. D3 is better than D2 but either is fine

Stereotype
Apr 24, 2010

College Slice

paperwind posted:

I'm not up to speed on how all the different tests available do their thing. I think our lawmakers are still hashing out the laws that are gonna need to be passed, but a confirmed negative test before departure (within how many hours/days, I don't know, and that seems like a huge blind spot to me), and then I read something about requiring a negative test locally here in the island 7 days after arrival. Follow the rules and you won't be subjected to our already incredibly shittily enforced 14 day quarantine. https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/05/21/some-lawmakers-want-require-negative-covid-test-before-passengers-arrive-hawaii/

There's so many loopholes though that I see this only as window dressing to appease the public here. Without any kind of instant test, it's not gonna loving work unless you agree as a passenger to a pre-departure quarantine AND negative test, followed by a second test at the airport which if it comes back negative throws you immediately into a forced quarantine facility.

My guess is that we'll eventually go the way of the mainland. It'll all be so poorly enforced and there won't be enough political will or public willingness to go back to the posture that allowed us to get to where we are right now.

I've been telling everyone to get their social interactions in now because in a month we're all going to be locked down again when some dumbass haole from florida spreads the roni all over the place again. They are clearly trying to refine the plan, since it is incredibly important that they get it right and keep out all the plague carrying irresponsible maskless assholes, but I don't have a ton of confidence that they'll be able to do it.

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







Stereotype posted:

I've been telling everyone to get their social interactions in now because in a month we're all going to be locked down again when some dumbass haole from florida spreads the roni all over the place again. They are clearly trying to refine the plan, since it is incredibly important that they get it right and keep out all the plague carrying irresponsible maskless assholes, but I don't have a ton of confidence that they'll be able to do it.

I think your southern politicians, with the exception of roy cooper, will resist this. in for a penny in for a pound.

Asproigerosis
Mar 13, 2013

insufferable
After enjoying a wonderful day in the swamps of delaware with 85 degree 100% humidity, masks are going to be going away real loving fast. Just walking to the car was miserable, trying to breath with a mask. And I'm used to it as I wear a mask for 10 hours a day in the hospital.

Google Butt
Oct 4, 2005

Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

We are absolutely not shutting er down again lmao

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




euphronius posted:

but ... if you are in Florida .. you are a Florida resident

a lot of people live seasonally in Florida. the trailer park I grew up in would go from like 800 winter residents to 30-50 in the summer.

ShutteredIn
Mar 24, 2005

El Campeon Mundial del Acordeon
the states with GOP governors will never shut down again even if they have like half the state on ventilators

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Asproigerosis posted:

After enjoying a wonderful day in the swamps of delaware with 85 degree 100% humidity, masks are going to be going away real loving fast. Just walking to the car was miserable, trying to breath with a mask. And I'm used to it as I wear a mask for 10 hours a day in the hospital.

Yeah it's really funny that the us insisted masks don't work when it was actually comfortable to wear them

Lyndon LaRouche
Sep 5, 2006

by Azathoth

FizFashizzle posted:

I think your southern politicians, with the exception of roy cooper, will resist this. in for a penny in for a pound.

Pretty sure they were referring specifically to Hawaii (we have dipshit politicians all the same, they're just a little less insane), but even I don't see us here in Hawaii going back to a lockdown again after we open it all back up.

Stereotype
Apr 24, 2010

College Slice

FizFashizzle posted:

I think your southern politicians, with the exception of roy cooper, will resist this. in for a penny in for a pound.

Yeah, if tourists start spreading the virus on the islands again the anti-mainland sentiment is going to get downright frighting.

Lyndon LaRouche
Sep 5, 2006

by Azathoth

Stereotype posted:

Yeah, if tourists start spreading the virus on the islands again the anti-mainland sentiment is going to get downright frighting.

I admit that I have discounted the possibility of the formation of an anti-tourist vigilante hui patrolling around the islands in lifted Tacomas.

Marx Headroom
May 10, 2007

AT LAST! A show with nonono commercials!
Fallen Rib

Rauros posted:

ummm....The overall prevalence rate of vitamin D deficiency was 41.6%

Prevalence and Correlates of Vitamin D Deficiency in US Adults
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21310306/

I mean it's a serious problem in the PNW.

we evolved beyond photosynthesis, at this rate we'll evolve past the need for any sunlight whatsoever. the future belongs to basement dwellers.

Korean Boomhauer
Sep 4, 2008
if enough people get the roni the number rolls over into negatives and a bunch of people come back from the dead people who never even had a roni

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/1265483397251698690?s=20

Stereotype
Apr 24, 2010

College Slice

paperwind posted:

I admit that I have discounted the possibility of the formation of an anti-tourist vigilante hui patrolling around the islands in lifted Tacomas.

The amount of snitching I see on instagram is pretty amazing. Basically every tourist who has been cited for breaking the quarantine has been some angry local calling the cops on them.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/NaveedAJamali/status/1265481849939193856?s=20
https://twitter.com/BenjaminPDixon/status/1265474434137296904?s=20

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown

snoo posted:

gently caress the police

Also please do not gently caress the police

rockear
Oct 3, 2004

Slippery Tilde

FizFashizzle posted:

Well I don't know anything about that, but I do know that most african americans outside of one or two cities live in the south east, which is nothing but sunlight. African Americans living in Atlanta aren't getting covid because of low vitamin d levels due to climate.

And then weirdly african americans have lower rates of osteoporotic fractures but that could also just be due to not getting adequate healthcare.

im currently working in meth world USA and i very rarely see anyone under 40 with low vitamin d levels, and these people only go outside to sell the copper wiring they've stolen from abandoned houses.

but who the gently caress knows at this point. worst hting that happens from taking a supplement is you get expensive pee.

Yeah I'm not in any way saying the AA over representation in COVID mortality is all because of vitamin D. Institutional racism and socioeconomics are definitely a big factor. I just don't think it's a terrible idea for someone who's not spending much time outside right now to be supplementing vitamin D within FDA guidelines right now as a precautionary measure.

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







rockear posted:

Yeah I'm not in any way saying the AA over representation in COVID mortality is all because of vitamin D. Institutional racism and socioeconomics are definitely a big factor. I just don't think it's a terrible idea for someone who's not spending much time outside right now to be supplementing vitamin D within FDA guidelines right now as a precautionary measure.

since we're really just making GBS threads on goons here i would advise fixing their diet.

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown

galenanorth posted:

Opensubtitles.org, a website used by a VLC extension for downloading subtitles for a video file without them, is overloaded right now. There must be a lot of people home watching [robotic announcer voice like someone taped over "Band-Aid" with "adhesive medical strips"] downloaded Internet media

Why, what dropped?

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/whoacialist/status/1265382276508106754?s=20
https://twitter.com/whoacialist/status/1265385838495629315?s=20

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown

FizFashizzle posted:

since we're really just making GBS threads on goons here i would advise fixing their diet.

You mean I shouldn't drink bacon grease every day?

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

Google Butt posted:

We are absolutely not shutting er down again lmao

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


Mayor Dave posted:

Also please do not gently caress the police

turn on ur monitor cop lover

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown

Rah! posted:

turn on ur monitor cop lover

don't sign ur posts

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


Mayor Dave posted:

Why, what dropped?

a big log, into the big diap, working hard, thank you!

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


Mayor Dave posted:

don't sign ur posts

turn on ur monitor

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



Stereotype posted:

Yeah, if tourists start spreading the virus on the islands again the anti-mainland sentiment is going to get downright frighting.

It'd be pretty fitting for the Balk to start with Hawaii.

slave to my cravings
Mar 1, 2007

Got my mind on doritos and doritos on my mind.

the second protects the first

Lyndon LaRouche
Sep 5, 2006

by Azathoth

Stereotype posted:

The amount of snitching I see on instagram is pretty amazing. Basically every tourist who has been cited for breaking the quarantine has been some angry local calling the cops on them.

It's nice that these quarantine-breaking folks are dumb enough to hashtag up and geolocate their posts.

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Clocks
Oct 2, 2007



As a pale rear end goon who never goes outside, I am definitely vitamin D deficient without taking supplements for it. That said, 15-20 minutes a day in the sun is usually enough to not be deficient. I'd probably need to start my running routine again to get that going.

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