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Woofer posted:The system didn’t make that cop kill someone who was begging for their life on video. yes you are correct but we have no system in place to report cops, no federal over sight which is the problem
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PookBear posted:yes you are correct but we have no system in place to report cops, no federal over sight which is the problem There were three police officers watching a guy murder someone. What the gently caress is the point of them existing if they aren’t going to stop someone from getting murdered?
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# ? May 27, 2020 19:18 |
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Woofer posted:There were three police officers watching a guy murder someone. now you get it
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# ? May 27, 2020 19:24 |
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Woofer posted:There were three police officers watching a guy murder someone. I think the point is you aren't going to reach out and change the mind of police. They're a lost cause. Even here. That's why no cop goons post here very often. When they did they saw themselves as so disconnected from events that they saw themselves as being effective by trying to comfort people's anger in forum by showing they're totally on your side! I dunno man, I get the anger and all that, just seems like you think cops can be changed by it, and I don't think they will.
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# ? May 27, 2020 19:25 |
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what cops are going on the news demanding these guys be prosecuted for murder? what police union is threatening to strike unless something is done?
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Protections start from the top down with qualified immunity, federal law that allows concealed carry no matter where etc while responsibility starts from the bottom up with hiring standards, training standards being local and if cops murder someone its never the president or governor that is ultimately responsible its a local police chief with little to no state or federal level over sight.
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# ? May 27, 2020 19:35 |
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PookBear posted:trying to change our judicial system by becoming a cop is like trying to change our foreign policy by enlisting as infantry Trying to change our judicial system by becoming a DA is like trying to change foreign policy by commissioning as a Reaper pilot. The 'good' quotient of DAs is about the same as for cops. There are just a lot more cops, who by their numbers take a lot more shots on the 'bad' goal. joat mon fucked around with this message at 19:41 on May 27, 2020 |
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joat mon posted:Trying to change our judicial system by becoming a DA is like trying to change foreign policy by commissioning as a Reaper pilot. I've definitely seen more DAs be effective than cops. It may have only been one or two but that's more than zero.
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# ? May 27, 2020 19:41 |
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a DA gets to decide what cases to prosecute and thus have actual control
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PookBear posted:a DA gets to decide what cases to prosecute and thus have actual control Eh, not exactly. The actual appointed or elected prosecutor for an area might, but the majority of prosecutors have to follow whatever rules are set forth by their boss. For example, in Florida the State Attorney for each judicial circuit is elected. That person has dozens to hundreds of assistant state attorneys that are the actual line level prosecutors. While these individuals might have some discretion, it is not unlimited.
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# ? May 27, 2020 19:49 |
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PookBear posted:a DA gets to decide what cases to prosecute and thus have actual control ...within certain limits. Cops also get to decide what cases to arrest on, within certain limits. The elected DA of an area can do that until the next election. An appointed DA of an area can do that until removed or their appointment expires. The assistant DAs of those one-termers can do that until they're fired by the new DA. There are good cops and there are good DAs and they try to do good work. Sometimes they succeed. There is nothing inherent in either the person or the position of a DA that makes them good or allows them to stay in a position to do good.
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Woofer posted:Sorry you think the burden is on me to get cops to stop killing people. George's revenge.
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PookBear posted:the system is designed so that you literally can't be a good cop, if you want to do good you have to become a DA Nah, when you're DA you just decline to press murder charges when your cop buddy and his kid murder a guy.
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# ? May 27, 2020 21:09 |
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Grem posted:I guess I was just befuddled at a post I saw elsewhere that marked this thread as a place where police goons gather when that hasn't been true for a long time. There was at least one a couple months ago. They liked to swear up and down that their department was much better than whoever was in the news that week, how it all disgusted him, how he and his department were good ones. Then one goon asked why in an active shooter situation there was a line of like 7 cops taking cover on one wall, since it didn't seem safe for the cops or anyone else. The cop then spent like 5 pages refusing to call said goon anything but a diminutive name while saying said goon wanted to have people die, again, because said goon thought that the police were doing something that could be putting their lives on the line pointlessly. Said cop also went to bat for one of his department members who was caught doing something like drunk driving on duty, and was strangely absent when goons started actually posting statistics from his department. I haven't seen him show up since.
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iwentdoodie posted:Nah, when you're DA you just decline to press murder charges when your cop buddy and his kid murder a guy. Because, I note, if you don't every cop in the state will start loving up your evidence and testimony until you get fired for incompetence. DAs who aggressively prosecute cops start getting a ton of 'I do not recall' on the stand.
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Liquid Communism posted:Because, I note, if you don't every cop in the state will start loving up your evidence and testimony until you get fired for incompetence. I didn't say it would be easy but they have some autonomy that individual cops don't
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Grem posted:I think there's like one guy that I can say is like that that USED to post in these threads.
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Liquid Communism posted:Because, I note, if you don't every cop in the state will start loving up your evidence and testimony until you get fired for incompetence. I'd say the response to that is to stop prosecuting cases of violence against the police. But then you'll probably commit suicide by shooting yourself in the back of the head. Edit: Twice.
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# ? May 27, 2020 23:43 |
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Na youd probably have 3 guys drive 4 hours for 200 bucks of weed and then the drug deal would go wrong in your parking lot
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Disarm cops.
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Im starting to SLIGHTLY understand Chris Dorner and Micah Johnson now, after hearing people explain this one away with "but what about black on black crime?"
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So, this video shows Floyd being arrested on May 25. How does it go from him being in cuffs to the cops kneeling on the guy's neck till he's dead? https://www.fox9.com/video/688458 https://www.tmz.com/2020/05/27/surveillance-footage-before-george-floyd-killed-minneapolis-not-resisting/ What was the chronology here? I know I'm looking for rationality and cause and effect in a matter that doesn't have any logic to it. Is it really as simple as the police killed a man because he pissed them off? PeterCat fucked around with this message at 02:09 on May 28, 2020 |
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Probably? Beau was talking about he cant even call tgis one because something huge has to be missing because hes just confused
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Grem posted:I guess I was just befuddled at a post I saw elsewhere that marked this thread as a place where police goons gather when that hasn't been true for a long time. This thread was never that. That thread is long dead. This thread was originally created specifically to keep posts about the hosed up state of policing in the United States from clogging up the current events thread.
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McNally posted:This thread was never that. That thread is long dead. This thread was originally created specifically to keep posts about the hosed up state of policing in the United States from clogging up the current events thread. Probably confusing it with the old cop lounge thread before all of the cops were driven out of GIP
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Flikken posted:Probably confusing it with the old cop lounge thread before all of the cops were driven out of GIP Yea people still come in here to yell at cops and it's so confusing. e: I mean it's not really confusing, people want to shout at cops, but there are no cops here anymore. Grem fucked around with this message at 02:57 on May 28, 2020 |
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PeterCat posted:So, this video shows Floyd being arrested on May 25. How does it go from him being in cuffs to the cops kneeling on the guy's neck till he's dead? Most likely Floyd was put in an uncomfortable position and reflectively jerked or pulled away, cop took that as resist and took him down, put his knee on his neck because he's a white supremacist. It makes no sense whatsoever to put your knee on someone handcuffed like that, even a dude not in handcuffs training a decade ago specifically said NOT to do that.
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Grem posted:Most likely Floyd was put in an uncomfortable position and reflectively jerked or pulled away, cop took that as resist and took him down, put his knee on his neck because he's a white supremacist. It makes no sense whatsoever to put your knee on someone handcuffed like that, even a dude not in handcuffs training a decade ago specifically said NOT to do that. Isn’t it a common tactic to bait a resisting charge by forcing the person into an uncomfortable position where they’ll have no choice but to resist?
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Woofer posted:Isn’t it a common tactic to bait a resisting charge by forcing the person into an uncomfortable position where they’ll have no choice but to resist? I would say that is not something that I was ever trained to do and I have never heard of anyone doing that, but I could 100% believe that people do that. I can't speak to how common it is. It is very easy to take actions the wrong way and overreact if you're not level headed or a stable person, which doesn't apply to many cops. So yea I could totally see this rear end in a top hat cop cranking on Floyd's arm or something and taking him down when he pulls away.
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Flikken posted:Probably confusing it with the old cop lounge thread before all of the cops were driven out of GIP lol good fuckin riddance
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https://twitter.com/mugrimm/status/1265784215561527296?s=21
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Grem posted:I would say that is not something that I was ever trained to do and I have never heard of anyone doing that, but I could 100% believe that people do that. I can't speak to how common it is. It is very easy to take actions the wrong way and overreact if you're not level headed or a stable person, which doesn't apply to many cops. From the video they pulled him out of his car, walked him across the street, and he fell. Then he had three cops kneeling on him while face down on the pavement. The officer kneeling on his neck didn't let up until paramedics arrived and they rolled Floyd's limp corpse onto a stretcher, still cuffed. The medics never found a pulse from arrival, indicating he was dead on the ground already by the time they got there. Why was that cop kneeling on the neck of an unresponsive and visibly unconscious man, if not to kill him? Edit: Turns out two of these cops have records. https://www.kare11.com/article/news...b7-b25dc201fc24 Chauvin: 13 complaints, 2 shootings (1 fatal) Thao : 6 complaints, $25k awarded to victims in excessive force case. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 05:15 on May 28, 2020 |
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Liquid Communism posted:From the video they pulled him out of his car, walked him across the street, and he fell. Then he had three cops kneeling on him while face down on the pavement. Why are you asking me? I wasn't defending the cops.
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Liquid Communism posted:
Have a record like that in any other line of work and you'd have been fired a long time ago. It's insane that these subhuman scum still had any sort of job near a law enforcement agency.
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A Bad Poster posted:Have a record like that in any other line of work and you'd have been fired a long time ago. It's insane that these subhuman scum still had any sort of job near a law enforcement agency. The Klob dropped charges on one of them
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So will it be this week or next that biden specifically mentions that while announcing her as his running mate while even Trump is openly calling for these officers' heads
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Grem posted:The Klob dropped charges on one of them Oh, no poo poo? Can't wait to see her answer questions about that after this, especially if for some insane reason she gets picked by Biden for VP.
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Grem posted:Why are you asking me? I wasn't defending the cops. Rhetorical question, not aimed at you. Sorry if it came off that way. A Bad Poster posted:Oh, no poo poo? Can't wait to see her answer questions about that after this, especially if for some insane reason she gets picked by Biden for VP. Yeah, she was Hennepin County Atty at the time. This guy has the right sort of attitude. https://twitter.com/chrisjsports1/status/1265733003147309058 Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 07:37 on May 28, 2020 |
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Minneapolis is kicking off in a big way right now I can't say I'm surprised, but this is looking like the situation is continuing to escalate, not deescalate. There's already talk of the mayor calling in the National Guard. https://www.kare11.com/article/news...d5-c1e0eaa52ec7 https://unicornriot.ninja/2020/minneapolis-protests-police-murder-of-george-floyd-day-2/
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Worst Year Ever podcast did an impromptu episode about the Minneapolis protests last night. If you’re familiar with one of the hosts, Robert Evans, he’s a great journalist who does a lot of work on neo nazi groups. I mention this because he’s already found posts and communications from militia groups about trying to exploit this for their own ends (ie- start a civil war). https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/worst-year-ever/id1478794003?i=1000476008659
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