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Jedit posted:The death rate from COVID-19 would not have been zero whatever they did. Who the gently caress is saying that it would have been 0
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Look going into lockdown a week earlier would have only prevented 36,000 of the 60,000 deaths, that's barely even the Herero and Namaqua genocide that Germany refused to pay any reparations for, why's everyone so mad?
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May 28, 2020 10:07
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Lockdown is effectively over around me. I知 based out of a country park and in the last few weeks the car parks have been full. Now I知 starting to see camper vans turning up and those mid-life crisis VW transporter vans that middle aged blokes drive to get their 4 grand mountain bikes to places. The park is heaving and no-one is taking social distancing seriously as there are huge groups milling around. It seems like people are treating it like an early summer holiday.
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May 28, 2020 10:09
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If you think on it, human lives aren't even money, so how can they be worth anything?
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May 28, 2020 10:10
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I've been on the bench at work for about 2 months, having been taken off my last project because they wanted someone with certain experience (I've met them and they don't have it) so I've been doing training courses and applying for new roles. The other week a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP) was brought up by my line manager as I had been on the bench for a while, pointing out most projects are frozen does nothing. Also get turned down for a role because I don't have experience I would have gotten if I'd been allowed to stay at my previous project. But an interview comes up and I get notified they want to on-board me, so looks like it will all be fine. Then after over a week of radio silence I get it second-hand that they aren't going ahead with hires, and so I get sent my PIP notice that I'm expected to agree to. Now I think I should push back on this, because I don't see how any amount of "performance" on my part gets a different outcome here? It seems like a black mark against me, and possibly the start of manufacturing a reason to sack me. I've started drafting a letter to HR, basically saying it's unfair, but has anyone dealt with something like this before? I've joined Unite recently, might they be able to advise me or something?
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Catzilla posted:Lockdown is effectively over around me. I知 based out of a country park and in the last few weeks the car parks have been full. Now I知 starting to see camper vans turning up and those mid-life crisis VW transporter vans that middle aged blokes drive to get their 4 grand mountain bikes to places. Same round here - it's over. Roads are busy again, all of our neighbours have had their families round, way more kids playing on the street etc. The crisis is over!!!
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Jedit posted:The death rate from COVID-19 would not have been zero whatever they did. That's 60,000 excess deaths. We know from international comparisons that lockdown actually reduces your weekly/monthly death rate, so if we locked down early enough (like South Africa, Israel, and everywhere in Scandinavia that isn't Sweden), we could indeed have had zero excess deaths or even a death deficit.
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May 28, 2020 10:15
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BizarroAzrael posted:I've been on the bench at work for about 2 months, having been taken off my last project because they wanted someone with certain experience (I've met them and they don't have it) so I've been doing training courses and applying for new roles. Union rep right now. A PIP is almost always a prelude to trying to show you the door.
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May 28, 2020 10:19
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Saros posted:Union rep right now. A PIP is almost always a prelude to trying to show you the door. Okay, I'm putting an enquiry into their website, or is there someone else I should contact? Totally new to this.
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May 28, 2020 10:22
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Jedit posted:The death rate from COVID-19 would not have been zero whatever they did. South Korea has a comparable population, level of development, geographic profile, double our population density and..... 269 deaths, even 10k deaths was avoidable. Pedantry aside, think we're all basically in agreement.
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May 28, 2020 10:28
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Saros posted:Union rep right now. A PIP is almost always a prelude to trying to show you the door. If you're close with any of your colleagues maybe ask around and see if anyone else has something similar going on. As a rep, a PIP in the current climate is almost certainly the first step in HR trying to finagle a way to cut staff and the wage bill without having to pay a redundancy package.
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May 28, 2020 10:28
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Rustybear posted:This is only millimetres away from 'Venezuela proves socialism doesn't work'. So in your opinion what shows a system of governance doesn't work? Baring in mind the only thing that matters about a system of governance are the outcomes for it's people.
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Jedit posted:The death rate from COVID-19 would not have been zero whatever they did. Tell that to Mongolia
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Darth Walrus posted:we could indeed have had zero excess deaths or even a death deficit. A deathicit, if you will
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May 28, 2020 10:41
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XMNN posted:people keep coming right up to me to speak Apparently this piece of loving genius reasoning for why it's ok that the 3 people in an otherwise empty ~20 person office are all sat around the same set of desks <2 m from each other isn't just some post hoc rationalisation from the guy I was speaking to, it's literally the rationale offered by our "health and safety" person (i.e. the accountant/company secretary) who "did" the "risk assessment" for the covid-19 secure thing sorry to keep moaning about my work being a loving hellhole filled with loving morons, it just really fucks me off also I suspect it's not the only small to medium sized business in the UK that is run and staffed almost entirely by idiots who care more about money than literally anything else
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May 28, 2020 10:42
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We have plenty of examples of socialism "working" to a degree. That degree being producing a large-scale society that ticks along in a somewhat stable fashion for many years and decades. Now, these examples are all extremely flawed, but they suggest that the project could work with different approaches. Meanwhile, we have absolutely zero examples of large-scale anarchist societies even existing in any real form. And pretty much all modern small-scale anarchist societies that are set up collapse after a pretty short time. Those that managed to survive for longer did so by excising anyone who didn't fit in until they were very small.
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May 28, 2020 10:43
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Communists arguing that a anarchism doesn't work in practice is pretty hilarious
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May 28, 2020 11:21
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https://twitter.com/eddo75/status/1265905136393732097 For people unfamiliar with "train guy" bob does loads of this character https://twitter.com/RealBobMortimer/status/1239953994417614850
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May 28, 2020 11:37
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Communist Thoughts posted:Communists arguing that a anarchism doesn't work in practice is pretty hilarious I think part of the issue is defining success, and who gets to count. If you agree that China is a communist state then it's hard to argue that communism doesn't work. So then what's the smallest grouping of society that would count for a system of governance to be counted as working and then does anarchism have any examples of that. If it was 100 folk and they stuck it out for a year? Is that really successful?
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May 28, 2020 11:38
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If you're arguing that China "works" then so does every country and we shouldn't change anything.
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May 28, 2020 11:42
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Looks like the Cummings thing is drifting out of the papers now. I've just written to my (Tory) MP, just to add what little fuel to the fire that I can; you all should too!
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May 28, 2020 11:43
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OwlFancier posted:If you're arguing that China "works" then so does every country and we shouldn't change anything. That's kinda my point. If you're arguing that Communism or archaism work or don't work you first have to define what success means. If we're saying China does not work is that an indictment on Communism or is Communism still good just that every large scale implementation of it is bad. Can an idea about a system of governance be properly separated from it's implementations and judged on that alone?
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It's an indictment of that particular approach to socialism, just as the soviet union is, especially from a perspective that is presumably looking to alleviate the problems that both they and capitalism evidently produce. I would suggest that anarchist societies failing to hold stability on a fairly small scale or get murdered by authsocs and capitalists is far less of an indictment of anarchists than the murdering is of capitalists and authsocs. Because when anarchists have stability problems they dissolve, whereas when authsocs and capitalists have stability problems they start killing people en-masse. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 11:51 on May 28, 2020 |
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just had a half hour office meeting mostly about haircuts, children, ill-informed speculation about the pandemic etc, and literally the only sort of relevant thing was our "health and safety" person outlining the minimal changes we've made to the way we do things (apparently they may even have moved people around the office but I'm not going upstairs to check) she ended by saying "the last thing we want is for someone to get symptoms and the contact tracing app meaning half our workforce have to self isolate" and, like, you loving what? you wouldn't just automatically assume anyone working in the office has been exposed? you put up a few signs and you think everything's going to be safe now and nobody could possibly infect anyone else in the building? maybe if you actually wanted to avoid that you could reduce the number of people coming in and interacting with each other or something crazy like that? loving idiot arseholes at least the lady who in early march declared the whole thing overblown because it had "only killed 3 people" and whose primary concern re: a global pandemic was that her make up artist for her wedding might get it just before her big day has had to cancel her wedding (again) lol
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May 28, 2020 11:50
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The Perfect Element posted:Looks like the Cummings thing is drifting out of the papers now. It値l probably continue to simmer for a while and then come back in a big way when we get a huge upturn in new cases in a couple of weeks, imho https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1265909349098098695?s=21
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My kid's Kindy is going back on Monday but we're having no part of it because they're insisting on the kids all still holding hands for the pre-meal "blessing" and story time. Literally get everyone to wash hands, then hold each others hands, then eat. loving wacko Steiner nonsense is what it is.
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May 28, 2020 11:54
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Don't send your kids to school and don't work in schools Christ.
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May 28, 2020 11:58
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Borrovan posted:imo nation states are bad and we shouldn't do them  The problem with multinational states is that you often end up with "Why does Russia, the largest nation, not simply eat the other nations?" and you need some kind of system against that. The US solution seems to be dividing all the states into competing Red/Blue power blocs with an associated base in The South/New England and big states like Texas/California and you can go way down the rabbit hole of their descent from Cavaliers/Roundheads but today their main goal seems to be the advancement of two different sectors of the rich and that's less than ideal. South Africa's multilingual 'rainbow nation' model is better than their previous one of extreme fascist racism but still far from ideal. XMNN posted:at least the lady who in early march declared the whole thing overblown because it had "only killed 3 people" and whose primary concern re: a global pandemic was that her make up artist for her wedding might get it just before her big day has had to cancel her wedding (again) lol The Labour Right are the biggest waste of space and I hope the lesson that we learned from Corbyn is to be far less tolerant of them and to have suitable high level replacements.
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Noxville posted:It値l probably continue to simmer for a while and then come back in a big way when we get a huge upturn in new cases in a couple of weeks, imho school is back on monday https://twitter.com/ptfen/status/1265735032272031745?s=20
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lmao https://twitter.com/jreynoldsMP/status/1265943518733836288?s=20
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sebzilla posted:My kid's Kindy is going back on Monday but we're having no part of it because they're insisting on the kids all still holding hands for the pre-meal "blessing" and story time. Literally get everyone to wash hands, then hold each others hands, then eat. loving wacko Steiner nonsense is what it is. apparently people's nurseries in England are about to start opening up, was one of the takeaways from my call earlier (and they think hairdressers might open relatively soon too?) our CEO is in the office today for no particular reason and has offered to buy everyone lunch, he's going to pick it up in a car with one of the guys who is still going to customer sites lol mental
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I had a guy in 2019 who was very angry about goordon broon selling all the poonds. But he was apparently still a "lifelong labour voter"
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It's amazing given how much genuinely atrocious poo poo that New Labour (esp. New Lab Home Secs) did that people are most outraged about something that didn't actually happen.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Don't send your kids to school and don't work in schools Christ. Right, and I agree, but how long can we realistically keep up this bullshit semi-lockdown for? There's no way we're going to actually lock down hard enough to reduce the numbers properly, so it's pretty much certain we're going to keep seeing excess deaths for many months to come. With that in mind I can absolutely sympathise with a lot of people thinking "well gently caress it then I'm just going to live my life and take the chance" because carrying on like this indefinitely with no prospect of relief for what, a year? more? is starting to break people's brains.
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May 28, 2020 12:14
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Sorry he specifically was annoyed about new labour selling off the gold reserve.
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OwlFancier posted:Sorry he specifically was annoyed about new labour selling off the gold reserve. XMNN posted:Ultra fastidious Kawczynski 
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Jippa posted:https://twitter.com/eddo75/status/1265905136393732097 It's Barry Homeowner and I refuse to call him by any other name.
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