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OwlFancier posted:Are they using their massive slack capacity in the healthcare system combined with not having the government be responsible for it? Well, there is no massive slack capacity in the system because that would be inefficient. The main "boon" in the US is that a place like New York was hit first and hardest. Once it gets properly going in the countryside, where decades of cuts have totally hollowed out health provision, there'll be a bloodbath. Not to mention that the system that is there is already stretched to breaking point as the procedures hospitals etc are using to pay the bills aren't happening anymore.
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Possibly from the same people that brought you Beans In The Backside 
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Munin posted:Well, there is no massive slack capacity in the system because that would be inefficient. The main "boon" in the US is that a place like New York was hit first and hardest. Once it gets properly going in the countryside, where decades of cuts have totally hollowed out health provision, there'll be a bloodbath. I thought they had a lot more ICU capacity than the UK because of their weird healthcare system. Though I guess they have that also because they're all dying because preventative care isn't profitable so it's not very slack.
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May 28, 2020 21:02
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Friends, if sometimes lockdown and unending Tory rule get you down, I really recommend you check out Springwatch. I've just watched the first episode on iplayer, and it's like a balm for the soul.
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May 28, 2020 21:08
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The BBC News website is reporting on tonight's NHS clap as "possibly final". Since this doesn't seem to be an examination of the appropriateness of the clap in general, what loving idiot thinks this is over next week?
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May 28, 2020 22:15
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Possibly from the same people that brought you Beans In The Backside "If one more person tells me to move on I'll properly lose my beans."
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May 28, 2020 22:17
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Clap over. Virus over. Goon meet at spoons tomorrow?
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May 28, 2020 22:18
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Comrade Fakename posted:The BBC News website is reporting on tonight's NHS clap as "possibly final". Since this doesn't seem to be an examination of the appropriateness of the clap in general, what loving idiot thinks this is over next week? nobody but we're required to pretend it is for like a month or two until we're forced back into lockdown at which point we're required to pretend that was the plan all along
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May 28, 2020 22:21
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Possibly from the same people that brought you Beans In The Backside That's the worlds strongest baby man by the way. Looks like a 12 year old in a flesh exosuit.
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May 28, 2020 22:29
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Aren't we only at about 10% of the population infected? It won't be hard to have a second spike if we only go for another month...
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May 28, 2020 22:33
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What were the actual changes that were announced today? I had a panic attack last time I loaded up a news website, so please save my mental health thanks
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May 28, 2020 22:39
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Tarnop posted:What were the actual changes that were announced today? I had a panic attack last time I loaded up a news website, so please save my mental health thanks From 1 June, can meet with up to 6 people from outside your household, outside, maintaining 2m social distance, not sharing food/utensils/etc. I think that's the only current addition. -- Don't, though.
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May 28, 2020 22:42
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Tarnop posted:What were the actual changes that were announced today? I had a panic attack last time I loaded up a news website, so please save my mental health thanks https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51506729 Nothing alarming on it, just the straight facts on what you can do.
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May 28, 2020 22:43
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Good stuff, thanks. Just need to be ready for this when I get some half-remembered version off my sister tomorrow, along with the usual accusation of paranoia because I don't hang on every word out of Boris's mouth
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May 28, 2020 22:46
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Comrade Fakename posted:The BBC News website is reporting on tonight's NHS clap as "possibly final". Since this doesn't seem to be an examination of the appropriateness of the clap in general, what loving idiot thinks this is over next week? It's not. The government are just shutting down the NHS for good, selling it off to American companies. Tonight was the first I heard anything at 8pm, & it was because someone was obviously sat in their car beeping their horn for a minute straight. Which was bad.
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May 28, 2020 22:55
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Comrade Fakename posted:The BBC News website is reporting on tonight's NHS clap as "possibly final". Since this doesn't seem to be an examination of the appropriateness of the clap in general, what loving idiot thinks this is over next week? I hear "we've blown this out of proportion" far too often and it's really loving with me mentally.
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Ms Adequate posted:All of this is also part of why any radical project of change tends to incorporate, as part of its program, some belief in the need for civic education and/or political tutelage. 100%, and I think the right is much better at this than the left. Everyone accepts that gamergate led a ton of young white dudes that initially just wanted to keep seeing bomb titties in video games down a garden path to the alt-right and Trump and the Moggcast, everyone understands that it was because of a pipeline that just kept people around long enough to reframe their political views, the left understands this but still memes Just Asking Questions, still assumes disagreement must be bad faith crypto-X and it's more of a lib thing but the left absolutely also indulges in cancelling people and I don't get why, I don't understand how people can recognise the enemy is using a good strategy but then not emulate it. Showing my age but back when Laissez Faire was the funny politics place here I hung around for the jokes but it also jerked me hard to the left, that was absolutely political tutelage.
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May 28, 2020 23:09
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Ikwaylx posted:From the general consensus in my family and various people on Facebook, a lot more than you'd think. I think it's the 'no one I know has got it therefore this was all a waste of time' theory without the understanding that it's BECAUSE of the things people did that you might not know anyone with it. (A bit like Y2K - well that was a waste of time nothing happened - yes because we spend £m making sure nothing happened and anyway some things did happen!) I think this is my mum today, she and my sister have had a huge barney this evening over it. Mum does not get that sister is worried for her husband (over 65), daughter (asthmatic) and granddaughter and this isn't all about mum who basically said to my sister 'you're far more worried about it than I am'. (My sister suffers major anxiety a lot anyway and keeps asking me 'am I scared' 'am I worried' 'am I frightened'). Mother has been self-isolating for 10 weeks now and as I mentioned earlier beginning to 'cheat'. At least she swears she did not go to that funeral this afternoon (of someone she doesn't even know but is someone local and she wanted to show 'support'.)
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I think there's rather more to it than that, a lot of those people were aleady invested in the performative atheism thing and I really don't think that was at all left wing, it was fetishization of rationality in exactly the same way cummings does, it is about superiority of the self and the individual. I also think it's not coincidental that a lot of the really lovely aspects of gaming and genuinely unpleasant behaviour is concurrent with the right wing and antifeminist elements. Gaming has long been a refuge for people who don't fit in elsewhere, and it turns out that a lot of them don't fit in because they're unspeakable loving assholes and this is highly visible in both their politics, the media they consume, and they way they behave towards others even within their own spaces.
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May 28, 2020 23:18
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The clap is ending on our road after tonight by general agreement in the neighborhood WhatsApp group. The idea of making the tenth one the last was floated a few days ago by the lady who originally kicked it off, was given substantial coverage by the BBC and was presumably accepted by most people with a sigh of relief. Her reason was not that the pandemic is over, but that what was meant to be a nice show of support is getting tied up in a lot of politics and bad feeling. Which, yeah.
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God forbid people politicise the idea that the NHS could do with something more useful than a bunch of dickheads standing in the street banging pots and pans and (metaphorically due to social distancing) wanking each other off about how supportive and helpful they're being.
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OwlFancier posted:I think there's rather more to it than that, a lot of those people were aleady invested in the performative atheism thing and I really don't think that was at all left wing, it was fetishization of rationality in exactly the same way cummings does, it is about superiority of the self and the individual. I blame Thatcher and the century of the self, but there's probably also the press willing to lend voices to all the bitter ex-aristocrats in the 20th century.
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A historical observation. Caution:  contains dangerous levels of hope and electoralism .The thought struck me the other day that the events of the last month or so are not entirely unlike the fallout from Black Wednesday back in 1992 (most obviously its close proximity to a Tory election win, but also the bit where the Prime Minister has a key subordinate whose position is clearly untenable, but against all sense he refuses to sack the subordinate). So I went and had a look at what happened to the Gallup national opinion poll after Black Wednesday; at the time, they polled once a month. The September poll came out on the 7th, before Black Wednesday (on the 16th), and showed 43-41 for the Tories with a lead of about 2.5%. There were then two polls in October; the 12th made it 36-45 (Tories down by 9%) and the 19th then made it a staggering 29-51 as the crisis deepened. Compare this to the recent Redfield & Wilton polling (the most recent firm to poll whose results I can easily find). The Cummings story originally dropped on 22 May. On the 6th of May, R&W showed 50-31 to the Tories, a walloping 19% lead. On the 15th, R&W came up with 47-35 to the Tories, a bit of a slide, but still a healthy 12% lead. They've just polled again on the 27th and are showing 43-37, a mildly buttock-clenching 6% lead. The combined slide of 13% is almost exactly the same as the Tories' slide between the 7th of September and the 12th of October; and we also seem to be a good long way from the bottom of the current crisis. (Other polls are available, but show the same general trend.) Something's happening here.
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OwlFancier posted:I thought they had a lot more ICU capacity than the UK because of their weird healthcare system. The issue in the US has less to do with total capacity and more to do with universal provision. Not to mention that a "US Healthcare System" doesn't exist as such and it is just a patchwork of private providers and essentially no way to centrally coordinate activity; especially if state and federal authorities don't step up. Actually, I should ask how people's hospitals are currently handling this in the healthcare thread.
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I'm a key-worker-I put stuff on shelves for a living, I changed job because I was too stressed at getting abuse in my previous roll - recovering the cycle-hire schemes bikes from junkies and thieves. Now I have to sell the same arseholes scratchcards and take cash for it. Every 20 mins the loving shop radio calls me a "local hero" I've been doing this since I got back to work after having the 'rona back in march (high temp, shortness of breath and a mass in my lung that felt like the time I had whooping cough - and I still cant breath right, 2 months later). I loving Hate the clap. It's virtue signalling at Best - and I agree with the Nurse on Panorama a couple of week a ago. They call us Heros so it's ok when we die. Renfield fucked around with this message at 23:39 on May 28, 2020 |
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OwlFancier posted:Gaming has long been a refuge for people who don't fit in elsewhere, and it turns out that a lot of them don't fit in because they're unspeakable loving assholes You realise almost half of the UK population play video games right? https://newzoo.com/insights/infographics/uk-games-market-2018/ I think the self-identified capital-G Gamers are a different demographic, I think that's what you're actually describing, but narrow your point down to something useful. Genuine question if ugly disaffected zoomers and millenials are Bad and should be thrown out and the useless aesthetic-obsessed libs are Bad and should be thrown where is a potentially winning coalition coming from?
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Guavanaut posted:It's pretty funny (but also very bad) that the whole rationality thing turned from an mostly social striving, like "we need a rational populace to be rational with each other in groups so that the People and the Workers can legislate for themselves without forwarding utter dogshit, so education is a socialist goal" to an individualist antisocial "I'm a rational superman because I watched a hundred youtube hours of other asocial weirdos so I'm better than normies" movement. I never really... got the dawkins thing. I was in late years of secondary school when he was a big thing, and some of my classmates were fans of his book. But I never saw the point. I've been atheist for as long as I can remember and as far as I know so were they, so I never saw the need to... flex it, I guess? But looking back it seems like an extremely 90's/early 2000s thing yeah. Very much in keeping with the godawful "we're the smart ones we're in charge now end of history" thing, I think. Which of course has devolved into desperately trying to seem like you know what you're doing as society collapses around you and desperately wishing you could go back to when things were easier. I carried bits of that thinking around with me until you lot knocked most of it off, but I don't think I ever got into it the way some people did. I wonder sometimes if I'd been disposed to read dawkins that I would have turned out like them. Vitamin P posted:You realise almost half of the UK population play video games right? https://newzoo.com/insights/infographics/uk-games-market-2018/ I think the self-identified capital-G Gamers are a different demographic, I think that's what you're actually describing, but narrow your point down to something useful. "plays games" is not "takes refuge in them" and I say that as someone who spends 90% of their free time playing videogames and have for as long as I can remember, except when I used to read books. I have zero quarrel with ugly disaffected people on either of those grounds and I especially don't think either of those are a necessary indicator of being a 4chan nazi, but what I am saying is that the gamergate thing did not spring out of thin air, there was a lot of pre-existing shittiness there that perhaps didn't appear lovely because at the time we lived in a much shittier society. And since then I think we've gotten better about it and this is also part of why the assholes have retreated into explicitly right wing spaces, because gaming is becoming (or, if you take a long view, returning to being) a more universally accepting and diverse space. And they don't want that, I don't think they ever wanted that. And I think it's wrong to suggest they all just turned into assholes overnight. I think a lot of them came into it with pre existing issues with women and a particular view of themselves and their identity and how it related to gaming. They were already assholes, all gamergate did was show up that problem. An rear end in a top hat who is momentarily content because the target of their ire is not present, does not become a nice person. I like games, I will encourage anybody to play them because I think they're a great medium in a lot of ways. But it's only recently that I would be able to do that with any hope of many people being able to find a positive community aspect to the hobby. And even at the moment there's a reason i don't play multiplayer games. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 23:55 on May 28, 2020 |
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Can I get a mod to escalate this one and discuss this between themselves? I’ve randomly encountered him myself on twitter being a trollish dickhead towards trans women but this is a whole new thing. Pissflaps has now gone full TERF and is attacking/stalking/abusing random cis women who show solidarity with our trans sisters. https://twitter.com/EmilyBanting1/status/1266133813694025734
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learnincurve posted:Can I get a mod to escalate this one and discuss this between themselves? I’ve randomly encountered him myself on twitter being a trollish dickhead towards trans women but this is a whole new thing. Pissflaps has now gone full TERF and is attacking/stalking/abusing random cis women who show solidarity with our trans sisters. I mean, he's already been shitcanned from the forum. Not much else can be done, not like Twitter will do anything.
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Flaps is permabanned afaik yeah.
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Ah I thought it was just UKMT, he is the kind of petty dickhead that would blame the “TRA” for him being banned off the site and go full nutjob elsewhere.
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The permabanning of the coward flaps by the greater goons that's the thread where we shitcanned him. That image in the first post alone is worth the price of a click
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Yeah there was a poll thread, he's gone.OwlFancier posted:I never really... got the dawkins thing. I was in late years of secondary school when he was a big thing, and some of my classmates were fans of his book. But I never saw the point. I've been atheist for as long as I can remember and as far as I know so were they, so I never saw the need to... flex it, I guess? But looking back it seems like an extremely 90's/early 2000s thing yeah. Very much in keeping with the godawful "we're the smart ones we're in charge now end of history" thing, I think. Which of course has devolved into desperately trying to seem like you know what you're doing as society collapses around you and desperately wishing you could go back to when things were easier.
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"An engaging, high impact poster with a lot to offer" is such a beautiful phrase. That PM would have been a pretty funny troll if it weren't entirely in earnest.
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If anyone's interested in some non-government-spun figures, as of today my hospital has 141 inpatients with confirmed Covid-19. Going back to the 24th April, at pretty much the peak of the virus, we had... 192. Our numbers fell to about 150 at the start of May and have barely shifted since. So be assured this country is not ready to emerge from lockdown. Stay home as much as possible, wear masks in shops or public transport, and only consider meeting one or two people outdoors if you're certain they don't display symptoms and you're scrupulous about not touching anything/hand-washing. Stay safe guys.
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One of the reasons why he was generally shitcanned was due to the awful TERFy poo poo he was getting up to outside of UKMT. My favourite bit of that thread was the one or two posters who were initially defending him because they thought it was a controversial poster being railroaded by some people who had it seriously in for him but wen full: once they got exposed to more of his choice posts from across the forums. Him carrying on and escalating it is not much of a surprise.
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