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That Works posted:Would it have been murder 2 if standing on his neck for like 10 minutes killed him instead of 5? I think murder 2 is worse since it’s just negligence if I recall right. Murder 1 is premeditated which it might end up being.
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LingcodKilla posted:I think murder 2 is worse since it’s just negligence if I recall right. Murder 1 is premeditated which it might end up being. I'm more making a throwaway comment there about how it seems dumb to call it accidental when he was kneeling on his windpipe long enough to have a smoke or two. That said I think you're right.
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May 29, 2020 19:28
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LingcodKilla posted:I think murder 2 is worse since it’s just negligence if I recall right. Murder 1 is premeditated which it might end up being. I doubt you're going to be able to prove any premeditation here. This would be the kind of case where a murder 1 charge is used to get the killer off while making it look like you're doing something.
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May 29, 2020 19:31
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Does AG Barr still have a single shred of humanity left in him, or is this a political play? https://twitter.com/MikeBalsamo1/status/1266435871005433856?s=20 https://twitter.com/elwasson/status/1266435514707648512?s=20
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Bored As gently caress posted:Does AG Barr still have a single shred of humanity left in him, or is this a political play? Not giving him any credit or applause for doing what he's supposed to loving do as AG. Like this should have happened days ago.
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May 29, 2020 19:34
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May 29, 2020 19:36
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Here's the full charging document. https://minnesotareformer.com/2020/05/29/former-minneapolis-police-officer-derek-chauvin-arrested/ There are some bullshit, weasel words in here on page 3.
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https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bv8zaw/minneapolis-bus-drivers-refuse-to-transport-george-floyd-protesters-to-jailquote:In solidarity with protestors, union bus drivers in Minneapolis signed a petition and refused to transport police officers and arrested protestors to jail on Thursday, PayDay Report first reported and independently confirmed by Motherboard. At one bus garage in downtown Minneapolis on Thursday evening, some workers refused to drive buses that were being dispatched to transport police officers.
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May 29, 2020 19:51
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Bored As gently caress posted:I'm just talking about what front line officers think. There's, to my knowledge, no administration at all on the forum. Idk if there are any cops from the Twin cities at all. If there are, they haven't been posting. "if they'red ordered to go defend him in his house they have to" lmao cops literally are not legally required to actually defend people https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html "Things like charging him take time." also lmao gently caress you dude how often do cops arrest people that don't get charged
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May 29, 2020 19:55
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Bored As gently caress posted:In lighter news, I'm embarrassed how long I looked at that without realizing it wasn't real.
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May 29, 2020 19:56
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That Works posted:I'm more making a throwaway comment there about how it seems dumb to call it accidental when he was kneeling on his windpipe long enough to have a smoke or two. That said I think you're right. Legally, 'accidentally' and 'without intent to kill' is not the same thing. Murder 3 is essentially, "the gently caress were you thinking, any dipshit knows that if you do that, you could kill someone. Absent evidence of previous bad blood between them, this is the right charge. OTOH, if he wasn't a cop, he'd get overcharged with Murder 1 in order to increase the stakes of losing at trial/force a plea.
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May 29, 2020 19:57
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fknlo posted:I doubt you're going to be able to prove any premeditation here. This would be the kind of case where a murder 1 charge is used to get the killer off while making it look like you're doing something. Goes back to if they had a bad relationship at their job. There’s no reason to treat a coworker like that. He was trying to hurt and embarrass him at least and at worst it was his intent. Won’t be particularly surprised if some texts show up with something to that extant sooner or later.
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May 29, 2020 19:58
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US is cutting its relationship with WHO. https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1266443289118547970 This stupid loving President.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:US is cutting its relationship with WHO.  
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May 29, 2020 20:00
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The S&P is up over 1% since he stopped talking
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May 29, 2020 20:04
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Live look at Donnie's 3PM presser on China: https://twitter.com/joroulette/status/1266444972573818881 KABLOOEY
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PookBear posted:"if they'red ordered to go defend him in his house they have to" lmao cops literally are not legally required to actually defend people https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html "Lmao gently caress you" too, dude. When's the last time a cop ever got charged as quickly as a not cop? Not saying it's right. It sucks. But this is the hell world we live in. I don't like it either.
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May 29, 2020 20:16
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fknlo posted:Honestly, I picture the "good cops" that everyone loves to talk about as the 3 guys that stood there and let the "bad cop" kill a guy. They're 100% seeing the poo poo the bad cops are doing and they just stand there and do nothing about. Doesn't sound very good to me.  Bored As gently caress posted:When's the last time a cop ever got charged as quickly as a not cop? Charges can take time, but there was absolutely no reason other than police corruption that all 4 of them weren't arrested on the spot. AreWeDrunkYet fucked around with this message at 20:29 on May 29, 2020 |
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May 29, 2020 20:26
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Did you guys actually read the article about them "working together"? The comments from the club owner make it seem pretty likely they wouldn't have known each other except as like, vague recognition.quote:Chauvin was our off-duty police for almost the entirety of the 17 years that we were open,” Santamaria said. “They were working together at the same time, it’s just that Chauvin worked outside and the security guards were inside. "" posted:Although the two overlapped working security on popular music nights within the last year, Santamaria can not say for certain they knew each other because there were often a couple dozen security guards, including off-duty officers. Not saying they wouldn't have known each other at all, but it seems far less of a thing than it's being made out to be. To be honest I think it's far worse if he didn't know him. No excuse of prior animosity or anything, just casual police murder.
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:Did you guys actually read the article about them "working together"? The comments from the club owner make it seem pretty likely they wouldn't have known each other except as like, vague recognition. As someone who has worked at busy bars either in the bar or with my food truck outside, the off duty police outside know all the bouncers who work inside. Anytime someone causes a problem inside, they're taken to the police outside. I'm not saying they'd be pals, but if he was working as off duty security for 17 years, he definitely knew who Floyd was.
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May 29, 2020 20:34
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Just lol if you don’t know your coworkers in a restaurant. It’s not that many.
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This is like one of those "perspective makes all the difference" memes except the other camera angle just makes it look even worse
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May 29, 2020 20:38
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:
All this for a loving bounced check 
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May 29, 2020 20:42
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Fister Roboto posted:All this for a loving bounced check A counterfeit 20. Still a misdemeanor.
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May 29, 2020 20:47
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facialimpediment posted:Live look at Donnie's 3PM presser on China: This is like the 5'th one, it's what they use to distract Elon from sticking his fingers into anything important
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LingcodKilla posted:Just lol if you don’t know your coworkers in a restaurant. It’s not that many. "often a couple of dozen" seemed like quite a lot to me  E) That is loving ridiiiiiiculous Radical 90s Wizard fucked around with this message at 20:55 on May 29, 2020 |
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May 29, 2020 20:53
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I'm sure it had nothing to do with a fully grown adult male's kneecap against his loving brain stem, one of the most delicate and vital organs in the body, for 5+ minutes.
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Bored As gently caress posted:"Lmao gently caress you" too, dude. When's the last time a cop ever got charged as quickly as a not cop? you're making excuses for them when the supreme court has said that cops have no legal obligation to defend people, and you're acting as if cops witnessing a murder and then not immediately arresting the murderer is normal when I'm saying its not
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Fister Roboto posted:All this for a loving bounced check Obviously that still doesn't excuse a loving murder. Nothing would. Just providing more background. I can't recommend Unicorn Riot enough, they're great independent journalists, completely crowdfunded, and a nonprofit to boot. Edit: looks like this has been confirmed false as per joat mon and the charging document Bored As Fuck fucked around with this message at 21:30 on May 29, 2020 |
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PookBear posted:you're making excuses for them when the supreme court has said that cops have no legal obligation to defend people, and you're acting as if cops witnessing a murder and then not immediately arresting the murderer is normal when I'm saying its not Sorry if you interpreted it that way - in no way was I attempting to make excuses for it. I was trying to provide background info and context. Not saying it's right, just attempting to provide context, as a former LEO. If you don't like my posts, why dont you just put me on ignore? The button's there for a reason.
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Has there been any evidence that he actually resisted? It seems like they had him handcuffs and walking across the street. The next video I see is of the one where he’s on the ground? I’ve heard he tripped and they took that as resisting but not that he was actually non compliant. Also I was just watching CNN and they had the owner of the restaurant they both worked at on. She basically call the cop a racist, and that on typical nights he’d handle disturbances himself and on any “urban” night he would call his on duty friends and they’d arrest anyone who caused trouble.
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Bored As gently caress posted:From what I hear from Unicorn Riot, the EMTs got a call of a person asleep at the wheel of a vehicle when they were called. From that Chinese food place's security camera footage, it looks like the cops took him out of his car and then detained him, talked to him, then brought him somewhere across the street? or near there, but then the video ends/too hard to see what happens after. So it may not just be the originao $20 counterfeit, it could've been a possible OWI/DUI/whatever their charge would be locally. You'd think the PC affidavit would include a detail like that...  Oxygenpoisoning posted:Has there been any evidence that he actually resisted? It seems like they had him handcuffs and walking across the street. The next video I see is of the one where he’s on the ground? I’ve heard he tripped and they took that as resisting but not that he was actually non compliant. Yes, posted just upthread. facialimpediment posted:Here's the full charging document. joat mon fucked around with this message at 21:29 on May 29, 2020 |
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May 29, 2020 21:26
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Was it ever actually determined if it was a counterfeit $20
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facialimpediment posted:I've been seeing a ton of these kinds of messages, they should give y'all some serious hope in all of the poo poo. Ordered a copy of The Forever War from them, and now I realize how morbidly relevant that title is.
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joat mon posted:You'd think the PC affidavit would include a detail like that... Ah, ok. Edited my post to reflect that. Also, lmao at "actively resisted." Going from what we can see, the dude barely loving pulled away, and looks like he loving tripped at one point. Just the cops trying to justify their actions more. Dude was scared. Look at how unsteady that poor guy is on his feet. How the gently caress is he is posing a threat. https://youtu.be/EKV7Mi9YUAQ
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