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Regarde Aduck posted:I don't think the government is going to get away with just ignoring a second wave. As dumb as this country people do seem worried about covid. They're too stupid to actually keep themselves safe but it does worry them. Ah but you see the trick these days is to just not report on the numbers. You can bet your arse that if this had been some uniquely local to the UK virus, there wouldn't have been a loving trace of it in the news media. Instead it would have been allowed to kill tens of thousands of people and flood the NHS whilst going by unnoticed by the majority of the populace. The government have already started doing this because people's attention is, sadly, often only on what's spoon fed to them.
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Gender critical men are, without exception, The Bad kind of pervert, every time you engage with one of them you are being dragged into their fetish without your consent. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. That guy who made out like he “is not like other men” and would turn up to women led activist meetings in pub back rooms back in the day and who would, again without exception, get a 19 year old blind drunk and attack her in an ally, SAME GUY DIFFERENT PLATFORM.
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Ava Koxxx and Danny D, natch Gove only watches good honest British pornstars
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https://twitter.com/notCursedE/status/1266415906680451076?s=20
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what the gently caress is going on lol https://twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/1266442131763331072?s=20
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Oh god ahmadinejad is continuing his posting career.
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forkboy84 posted:No, the post says that she can't be trusted around kids & nonces aren't the only ones you'd say that about. For example, I'd not support leaving my imaginary kids with a racist. Or any other kind of bigot, such as a TERF When it comes to Defamation (or if they still use Libel/Slander in the UK) the test is "is this a statement about a person which is designed to harn their reputation in society and was it published." Now there is a lot to unpack there but the key part is can the words be taking as something that would harm Rowling's reputation to society. It's not the type of defence that you want to rely on to be "no I wasn't calling her a nonce. I meant she was a racist. Anyone who read my post would think the same." Particularly since we have had multiple posters here say "when I read that tweet, I assumed she was saying she was a nonce." With someone like Rowling who has the resources to be very litigious if she wants and given how that tweet is phrased I would recommend that the person take it down. But I am not the one risking a case in the English courts. Prince John posted:Looks like the first policeman in the US has been charged, although it's unclear to me how you can simultaneously be charged with both murder and manslaughter. Over in the States when they charge you with a crime, they are likely to charge you with every possible offence. The idea being that it puts extra pressure on you to take a Bullshit plea deal*. So if you are the DA you want a conviction for Assault causing serious harm or Manslaughter. By leaving murder on the table you make them plea to what you wanted the conviction for. * = Plea deals are bullshit for a number of reasons. They are just there to help a bloated pro-incarceration system function. Glad that they don't have them in every jurisdiction.
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think i need to find a way back to the US https://twitter.com/MaddieCapron/status/1266477673095680001?s=20
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Jose posted:think i need to find a way back to the US I mean yellowstone blowing would seem like a natural progression at this point.
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This is a tremendous thread https://twitter.com/MrNormanBlake1/status/1266488553715924992
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May 29, 2020 23:06
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Google has apparently gotten some of my search trends confused and come up with some interesting results...
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The Question IRL posted:My Master explained this to me during my first year of Deviling. On the other hand there is precedent in cops killing people cases of USA courts declaring the cop innocent when only charged with murder and going "we would have convicted of manslaughter but lol you didn't explicitly charge that".
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In those cases the judge is supposedly allowed to instruct the jury that they may find the defendant guilty of a lesser included offense, but that may vary by state and also lol at judges spending extra effort to convict cops.
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Guavanaut posted:In those cases the judge is supposedly allowed to instruct the jury that they may find the defendant guilty of a lesser included offense, but that may vary by state and also lol at judges spending extra effort to convict cops. Allowed to does not mean required to. It probably should, but I don't think it does.
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OwlFancier posted:I don't know if it's something you would want or be willing to discuss, but I admit I often struggle to understand how people who want to go through FtM transition manage to construct a concept of masculinity. Because I've always sort of defined it by ignorance through privilege. There's a lot of stuff you just don't need to know and never learn because society is structured to facilitate and reward you not knowing or learning that stuff. Masculinity basically is being a horrible caveman that everyone goes around telling you is a good thing to be. In a similar way that upper class-ness is being a gigantic adult child and lauded for it. But people who are raised and present feminine don't have that experience because society doesn't treat them that way, so they have to learn how not to be horrible cavemen. And once you learn that it's kinda hard to... un-learn it? I'd be willing to discuss it except that as I'm not FtM it's very much outside my frame of reference. Being binarily trans is wild because we can simultaneously understand the folks going the other way with incredible depth, and also meet nothing more bewildering or incomprehensible in all creation. Understanding the underlying wrong gender-ness vs. Inability to understand why someone would want to be... you know... male. I will say that part of the challenge of the trans experience in any direction is to come to an understanding of what we mean by female/male/masculine/feminine/etc. etc. and how to apply that to our own circumstances. And of course we're also navigating expectations of various kinds, for example I bet there'd be a lot more tomboy trans girls if making ourselves appear as a femme and stereotypically feminine as possible wasn't often a prerequisite for actually accessing medical resources to transition, especially historically. Though this also highlights one very pragmatic reason I think the queer community as a whole is right to embrace trans people (And everyone else who doesn't adhere to assigned-at-birth gender roles), which is that our navigations of such matters are a source of a great deal of thought on issues of sex and gender per se, and can probably help contribute to a better understanding of such things far more broadly. Guavanaut posted:That makes sense and I remember the butch genocide article, and others about how if you let your precious daughter play with Meccano now the trans lobby will kidnap them and turn them into a testicle or whatever. You'd think glinner would be all aboard the trans train in that case, seeing as he's so desperately in need of a replacement and all
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Guavanaut posted:In those cases the judge is supposedly allowed to instruct the jury that they may find the defendant guilty of a lesser included offense, but that may vary by state and also lol at judges spending extra effort to convict cops. don't even need to do that https://twitter.com/MatthewACherry/status/1266469379757109248?s=20
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Ms Adequate posted:I'd be willing to discuss it except that as I'm not FtM it's very much outside my frame of reference. Being binarily trans is wild because we can simultaneously understand the folks going the other way with incredible depth, and also meet nothing more bewildering or incomprehensible in all creation. Understanding the underlying wrong gender-ness vs. Inability to understand why someone would want to be... you know... male. I was thinking maybe that's a thing that comes up, running into people who are doing the same thing with completely opposite components. I guess I can see why people have the impulse to ask "how could you want to do that" except the difference is that I just trust that the person can simply see something I can't, because they wouldn't do something so gruelling without a good reason. Just cos masculinity has always been something for me to try and avoid being doesn't mean other people see it that way. Just have to trust I guess. I still don't like understanding that point of view though. Would feel more comfortable if I felt like there was more distance between me and them.
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Jose posted:don't even need to do that 'Any potential intoxicants' is a weird loving phrase for someone to use who could literally check whether he has intoxicants in his loving system. Whether the move would have killed a healthy person and only killed this person because they were not in the best of health should never be relevant.
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I mean I think we've shown quite conclusively that it's actually OK for the government to kill people if they were statistically likely to die soon anyway.
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thespaceinvader posted:'Any potential intoxicants' is a weird loving phrase for someone to use who could literally check whether he has intoxicants in his loving system. "take your victim as you find him" is a sound legal principle. and does as far as I know apply in the USA also.
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thespaceinvader posted:Allowed to does not mean required to. It probably should, but I don't think it does. Given that juries are by custom allowed to nullify if they see fit, I wonder if there's ever been a case where a jury off their own back found for a lesser included offense not charged. I'm not sure how they'd do it, but some of the English court scenes recorded in the 17th/18th centuries were bugfuck insane. Jose posted:don't even need to do that  What's the status of eggshell skulls in MN?
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Well I don't understand what all the fuss is about then. Those innocents cops were under the impression that they could kneel on his neck for 9 minutes, which as everyone knows is the amount of time a normal, healthy person's neck can be knelt on. It was his dicky heart plus all those potential intoxicants that could potentially have been in his system that killed him. Who knows what drugs he was potentially on? Heroin? Adrenochrome? Moloko plus?
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"That man was walking around with Oxygen, a known intoxicant, in his system"
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kingturnip posted:"That man was walking around with Oxygen, a known intoxicant, in his system" Worse - the coroner found copious quantities of dihydrogen monoxide in his system.
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Any potential intoxicants makes that read entirely like they never did the autopsy. Because they didn't.
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OwlFancier posted:Google has apparently gotten some of my search trends confused and come up with some interesting results... Yeah, what sort of deviant would get the Yogscast in their recommendations?!
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I was actually watching a yogscast video so it may be that they think people who watch the yogscast are a good pick to overthrow the chinese communist party.
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Jose posted:don't even need to do that
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OwlFancier posted:I was actually watching a yogscast video so it may be that they think people who watch the yogscast are a good pick to overthrow the chinese communist party. I'd agree that they probably have a more left-leaning audience. I want to know what indicators I'm giving off that suggests I'm the target for the "Harry & Meghan want you to know this one weird trick to getting rich!" ads.
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Borrovan posted:I've been wondering about this - offloading as many deaths as possible onto care homes & elsewhere in the community definitely looks like deliberate policy, but I thought that these decisions were within the remit of individual NHS trusts rather than the Department of Health. Note also that it's been local authorities bulk booking the beds I doubt there was a specific desire for this to be the result, seems more to me like neglect/disinterest from the Government forces trusts to take these actions. It's the standard disadvantaged get hosed over to save money and because the responsibility is delegated it's not the Governments fault if local authorities can't do anything due to no money. Just like homeless, disabled etc killed by austerity. Carecat fucked around with this message at 00:25 on May 30, 2020 |
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Drone_Fragger posted:Any potential intoxicants makes that read entirely like they never did the autopsy. Because they didn't. Aren't county coroners elected in a bunch of places in the USA?
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If you want good opinions on American politics, you can generally rely on Beau of the Fifth Column. He's an independent journalist with a background as a contractor for the US military, and police poo poo is one of his areas of expertise - at one point he trained cops, but gave up after the cops laughed and said "Yeah, but we write the reports," during one of his sessions. Here's what he has to say about George Floyd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aZ205Muu8A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSOffl6tU04 He also has a few other videos about cops killing people, both in general and in reference to specific incidents.
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https://twitter.com/skynewsbreak/status/1266479819556032514?s=21 Woof, the Wellcome Trust is big. They're the fourth-richest charitable foundation in the world, and our main provider of NGO funding for scientific research.
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Jose posted:don't even need to do that That's a very odd autopsy report. Partly because if you autopsy anyone over the age of twenty you'll probably find some evidence of coronary artery disease. Hypertensive heart disease is also very common, and for most people asymptomatic. Talking about "potential" intoxicants is the really bizarre part though. If you haven't found any intoxicants, which is one of the main reasons to perform autopsy, how is it right to refer to them at all? If you have found them, you would name them? Overall though, it's saying their examination found no reason for him to be dead. Given the context that we know a loving cop knelt on his neck for ten minutes, it should be taken as corroborating the fact that the cop killed him. His pre-existing conditions may have made him more susceptible to death by asphyxiation, but they sure as hell weren't what killed him.
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Yeah, it's not even referring to outstanding toxicology (would you even issue an autopsy report without that?), just saying "he might have tox in his system  ". Sounds like a report issued with a very heavy hand on someones shoulder
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We didn't have the coroner examine the body so, ergo, ipso facto, we have no evidence that anybody died.
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Debating is kind of similar to war,. There is little to be gained by winning, But you really don’t want to lose, and it is not always -possible to avoid taking part.
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radmonger posted:Debating is kind of similar to war,. There is little to be gained by winning, But you really don’t want to lose, and it is not always -possible to avoid taking part. Nobody's ever won a war by just saying "Yeah but your mum" though.
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Jose posted:don't even need to do that So there’s a good thread here on Twitter about it. https://twitter.com/tomatograndpa/status/1266472271994138624?s=21 Basically, this is the initial preliminary report, not the full autopsy. (Which unlike what TV has taught us takes months to do and can’t be rushed.) The medical examiner is required to put in all factors which could have contributed to their death so they can rule them in the main report. Now this isn’t to say that the person doing this report isn’t a police stooge who is going to come to a conclusion that supports the police. He could be. But at this stage for him to do his job, he has to follow the best scientific/medical practice and can’t say “cause of death was....RACISIM!” But the spin you will see on the reports will be terrifying. Like two groups of witches looking at nordic runes and coming to different conclusions.
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Prince John posted:Looks like the first policeman in the US has been charged, although it's unclear to me how you can simultaneously be charged with both murder and manslaughter. In England it is common to charge two offences in certain situations where e.g. there is a more serious offence that requires a higher evidential burden, but the same facts can potentially be used to prove more than one offence. For instance, a prosecutor may authorise someone to be charged with the more serious offence of stalking causing fear of violence and also simple stalking; the trial strategy would be to first establish the necessary course of conduct and that it amounted to harassment, and then try to prove that part or all of the course of conduct caused fear of violence, which can be a lot more difficult. The court would then have the option of saying "well, we believe this guy was up to no good, but we don't think he was going to do anything more than just hang around creepily", find the defendant guilty of the lesser offence, and aquit him of the more serious one, and then at least you can get him convicted of something and apply for post-conviction orders as part of the sentencing phase. There are also some situations which have the similar concept of a "lesser included offence", where it's not necessary to charge the defendant with two offences, but it is possible for the judge to direct the jury that they can substitute a less serious charge to bring in a guilty verdict on. This happens reasonably often with homicides when the prosecution can prove negligence, but not an intent to kill; the defendant will be charged with murder, but found guilty of manslaughter. Dabir posted:He's an independent journalist with a background as a contractor for the US military, and police poo poo is one of his areas of expertise - at one point he trained cops, but gave up after the cops laughed and said "Yeah, but we write the reports," during one of his sessions. This is a really interesting point, and one of the contradictory things about policing and oversight of policing that nobody's really thought about properly, because it's pretty much an unsolvable problem. Society wants its police to know the law and what they can and can't do. It also wants the police to be able to see bad things happening and provide good evidence for the courts so the courts can work properly. It also wants the police to not act unreasonably or capriciously. So we train the police to be really good at writing good clear statements, and we train the police on how you choose option D in a particular situation instead of options A-C or E-J, and how to explain why you did it later. Unfortunately, human nature being what it is, the police then misbehave, except when you start trying to find out what happened and why, you find a lot of police who are really good at justifying what they've done and making the unreasonable sound reasonable... (See also: we will establish an independent complaints board to investigate police misconduct, except the people who produce the overwhelming number of trained investigators is, er, the police, so either we have to staff the complaints board with people who don't know what they're doing, or we staff it with ex-police officers and kill any chance of it being seen as actually independent...) Trin Tragula fucked around with this message at 09:02 on May 30, 2020 |
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