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monkeytek posted:Here is a question, do you think the CIG money counter does not differentiate between new money purchases and people melting and then buying a new ship? It would make sense with everyone playing these buy and melt games. At least to a point. This is what I'm thinking. I'm not sure how much it could account for, but it's literally the only thing that doesn't have me questioning the nature of reality. Daztek posted:Have you considered that Star Citizen is actually good and we're wrong??? Every drat minute of every day, because it's absurd.
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monkeytek posted:Here is a question, do you think the CIG money counter does not differentiate between new money purchases and people melting and then buying a new ship? It would make sense with everyone playing these buy and melt games. At least to a point. That would make sense if the recent patch and invictus disaster caused a butt load of people to rethink their stance on Star Citizen and sell everything on the grey market. The cultists want to buy more ships and think they're getting a steal of a deal buying up credits for pennies on the dollar from people desperate to cash out. CIG could count the original purchases, the transactions, the buying with store credit as more income and there would be a lot of panic selling/buying given the state of the game.
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Jun 1, 2020 18:38
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monkeytek posted:Here is a question, do you think the CIG money counter does not differentiate between new money purchases and people melting and then buying a new ship? It would make sense with everyone playing these buy and melt games. At least to a point.
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Jun 1, 2020 18:40
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Star Citizen good Just buy cosmetics 
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Jun 1, 2020 18:46
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Strangler 42 posted:The only winning move is not to play The one drat thing Roberts figured out.
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Jun 1, 2020 18:55
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Yep, like I said before, just release it as some hosed up Dead Space clone.
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Jun 1, 2020 19:12
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Colostomy Bag posted:Yep, like I said before, just release it as some hosed up Dead Space clone. Dad Space more like
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Jun 1, 2020 19:19
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Google did that, it is called Stadia.
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Jun 1, 2020 19:26
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Hav posted:hmm. that's a lot of gross sales. All Star Citizen sales are gross.
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Jun 1, 2020 19:53
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quote:My friends are trying to convince me that this game is a ponzi scheme.. Hahahahaha.. Most likely because I'm selling it so hard to everyone I know.. And because it's been in development for so long.. quote:Yeah this is the first time I've experienced that. My ongoing 5+ year support of Star Citizen has basically turned my friends off. They are tentatively interested when it "releases" but otherwise basically don't wanna hear about it any more. I have my own, basically private, channel in our discord where I can flood as much SC content as I want and they can just ignore it unless they're in the mood.
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Jun 1, 2020 19:59
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Does CIG still give employees an enormous employee discount of ships? I remember it being something crazy like 50% which would make buying ship packs and flipping them for cash crazy lucrative. At least back when you cold sell special edition ships for more than they were worth because of the artificial scarcity. Nowadays CIG will sell any ship that was previously available for a limited time only and in small quantities. A ship flipping scheme could still technically work with the prices being so bargain basement low, but they would have to make up the difference with high volume. That could explain the sudden spike in funding.
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Strangler 42 posted:That would make sense if the recent patch and invictus disaster caused a butt load of people to rethink their stance on Star Citizen and sell everything on the grey market. The cultists want to buy more ships and think they're getting a steal of a deal buying up credits for pennies on the dollar from people desperate to cash out. CIG could count the original purchases, the transactions, the buying with store credit as more income and there would be a lot of panic selling/buying given the state of the game. Heh, maybe CIG is lumping grey market sales into the funding tracker. "That counts as a ship sold... add it to the tracker!"
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Daztek posted:Have you considered that Star Citizen is actually good and we're wrong??? Anthem, Fallout 76, and Elder Scrolls Blades are all making money. People talking about "good gameplay" have entirely missed the boat. I mean sure maybe some of these games off an initial surge, but it's like slot machines. Involving gameplay is merely one type of hook. It is not the primary driving factor for the slot machine industry at large. Does Destiny 2 have "good gameplay"? That's not even the primary factor. People who plop down $6,000 on microtransactions make up for a hell of a lot of quote-unquote lost sales from people who only cared about gameplay but who don't pay for microtransactions and maybe even re-sell a game after it's done. These games need good enough gameplay to get a certain set of people initially hooked. They have absolutely no real incentive to do anything else with it.
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Destiny 2 has excellent gameplay, based on the 20 or so hours I played.
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Daztek posted:Have you considered that Star Citizen is actually good and we're wrong??? Oh, i WANT SC to be good. I want us to be wrong. But wanting it to be good doesn't make it good. Wanting it to be a game doesn't make it a game. It just makes it easier to ignore all the things that aren't good, that aren't a game. I want SC to be good and fun, but I don't think it will happen.
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akkristor posted:I want SC to be good and fun, but I don't think it will happen. yep! and in the meantime making GBS threads on it is more fun than playing, so
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Jun 1, 2020 22:22
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The funding tracker makes sense to me. There'll be a bit of third-party fraud payments which get charged-back, some 30-day refunds, VAT, and other accounting that doesn't get deducted, but the majority of $$$$ will be backers buying jpegs. The November to February months were high earners because of CitizenCon sale, Xmas/NewYear spending, 3.8.x stability, and dumb ship hype like the Carrack. During all that time backers would get frustrated that their earned-in-game stuff would get wiped when a patch dropped, so they'd spend "just a little bit more" to permanently have the ship they wanted without grinding. Long Term Persistence Tier-Zero in 3.8.2 then brought more sponsored Twitch streamers with the excuse "you can play and progress now with your viewers. Have a few jpegs for giveaways and view-boosting. LIRIK plays and we definitely didn't pay him to stream.". More views, more exposure, more ship buying. "Well, you could grind to this jpeg, but if you just spend a little more you don't need to grind". Then COVID happened: people staying in more, playing games more, government support payments in a ton of countries, etc.  
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Quavers posted:
Hey, I used my Covid payment on a 3d printer
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It's probably real numbers and the people at CIG are probably just as confused and surprised as we are.
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Jun 1, 2020 22:42
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TheAgent posted:at his point I seriously have to consider that I'm "playing it wrong" Have you considered playing it naked while swiping your credit card down your urinary meatus? (edited as apparently i used an inappropriate phrase). Agony Aunt fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Jun 2, 2020 |
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Jun 1, 2020 22:44
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Usually it's a good thing to have a shipped-game on your CV, so long as it isn't shovel-ware. But is it going to be a selling-point to a company if you only worked on Star Citizen, a game unlikely to ever be made?
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Jun 1, 2020 22:48
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Agony Aunt posted:Have you considered playing it naked while swiping your credit card down your jap's eye? 
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sebmojo posted:Destiny 2 has excellent gameplay, based on the 20 or so hours I played. It has insanely solid gameplay, it's one of my greatest disappointments because there's so much unused space and everything is locked behind "raids" and other hellish unbalanced experiences to have with the worst people imaginable. But the shooting is loving grand.
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Agony Aunt posted:Have you considered playing it naked while swiping your credit card down your jap's eye? Up to this point my day had been uneventful.
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monkeytek posted:Here is a question, do you think the CIG money counter does not differentiate between new money purchases and people melting and then buying a new ship? It would make sense with everyone playing these buy and melt games. At least to a point. Makes sense, seems typical CIG. You buy a $500 ship - CIG says "hey we just made $500 dollars!" You melt it, get $400 of credit, pay $200 more to buy a $600 ship, CIG says "Hey we just made $600!" Make $700, but claim $1100. If the tracker just increments by the dollar value of the ship package they just sold, instead of actually adding the net dollars of the purchase transaction itself, the tracker suddenly makes a lot more sense. But not enough to explain the last couple months. Scruffpuff fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Jun 1, 2020 |
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quote:Quote from the leaks discord: quote:Another interesting statistic; I've graphed CIG's SQ42 task progress on the roadmap, and of all of their tasks they assigned themselves between Q4 2018 and Q2 2020, as of early-March when they stopped updating the SQ42 roadmap, CIG had completed 79.9% of them. quote:Allow me to speculate on why a company would abandon $45m a year in crowdfunding:
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Agony Aunt posted:Have you considered playing it naked while swiping your credit card down your jap's eye? and I know there's gonna be a reply like "but thats how us in europe or wherever the gently caress I am talk to each other, like what else am I gonna call my dickhole" and its like call it a loving dickhole or cock slit or the loving entrance to your dong dungeon or your cum whistle or anything but that racist garbage read the loving room man
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Scruffpuff posted:Makes sense, seems typical CIG. You buy a $500 ship - CIG says "hey we just made $500 dollars!" You melt it, get $400 of credit, pay $200 more to buy a $600 ship, CIG says "Hey we just made $600!" Make $700, but claim $1100. Last few months then involve the final part I call it "idiots are soon parted from their money" syndrome.
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Can we get the next hello dump please
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Agony Aunt posted:Have you considered playing it naked while swiping your credit card down your jap's eye? Now tell us your opinions on bearded hipsters.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Usually it's a good thing to have a shipped-game on your CV, so long as it isn't shovel-ware. But is it going to be a selling-point to a company if you only worked on Star Citizen, a game unlikely to ever be made? Serious answer: depends on what you worked on, and how well you can explain what you did. There are plenty of people in the industry who have never shipped a title. A friend of a friend went 10 straight years working on projects that were canned before launch.
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Scruffpuff posted:Makes sense, seems typical CIG. You buy a $500 ship - CIG says "hey we just made $500 dollars!" You melt it, get $400 of credit, pay $200 more to buy a $600 ship, CIG says "Hey we just made $600!" Make $700, but claim $1100. Now this is a really good explanation. I'll bet that's exactly how they report it. I have no idea if that would completely explain the insane level of funding right now though.
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Zazz Razzamatazz posted:In fact when I was writing my ejector seat rant earlier, I wondered to myself "why have ejectors anyway?" In X4 you can just teleport yourself to your ship, Star Trek had teleporters, SC is set in a distant future, they could write in anything they wanted- make things easier on themselves. If they actually wanted to get the game out, that is. I wanted to really zoom in on this because I think it can illustrate something about Star Citizen, its (theoretical) gameplay, and its setting. So, let's assume that to cut out the 'getting into the ship' animation, we're going to say that you can in fact just teleport yourself into your ship. Because we're going for IMMERSION, we want there to be an in-lore explanation for this - plus, we need a way for people to enter and leave ships during combat - but whatever explanation we're going to make has to also take into account why we don't just teleport ourselves across the galaxy. Range is the most obvious limitation here. We can make it a bit more interesting and 'low tech' by saying that teleportation (especially of complex organics) requires a physical connection to be made between areas of the 'teleportation grid'. This means you still have to land your ship on a landing pad, which we presumably like the aesthetic of. In addition, we don't have to figure out how hatches open or close, or how to hide loading people between zone areas, for example boarding, in-universe, can be handled by saying you're sending a spike through the enemy's hull to project your teleportation grid into their ship. No blowing open holes with millions of polygons and debris fields to render, no ship transfer animations, no special animations for extending docking ports. No ships with opening hatches. No actual need to truly seamlessly transfer between ship and exterior and ship and other ship because you just zap into a loading screen. By introducing the limitation of physical contact, we've also created a problem that our heroes in our story will have to work around. With this one decision and a bit of creativity/extrapolation, we have solved multiple problems of game design AND created a principal by which our ship design and lore will be informed. We can create an entire universe from this seed of an idea that's been invented to cover up a bit of 'trickery' and bypass certain technical hurdles. As cheesy as it sounds to say it we've turned our adversity into an advantage. This is what game design is about to me, but I see no signs of such creativity in Star Citizen.
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Dooguk posted:Up to this point my day had been uneventful. No loving poo poo on that one.
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Agony Aunt posted:Have you considered playing it naked while swiping your credit card down your jap's eye? This thread just can't help itself apparently.
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