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Cleretic posted:Jake has poor taste in media, this is a remarkably established part of his character. If he likes it and it's not Die Hard, it's probably awful, or at best dumb fun. Arivia posted:yeah as a trans woman I find it hilarious, it's a joke about Jake and Holt, not the song itself cool motive, still reference to a poo poo song that should stay buried. not to mention showing cops learning to be anti-bigotry is aging like poo poo right about now.
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Turpitude II posted:cool motive, still reference to a poo poo song that should stay buried. Yeah I will admit despite having previously been a big fan of the show and loving the character interactions, honestly trying to watch it now mostly just angries up the blood.
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Also a lot of it's political commentary seems kind of toothless, like I just got around to continuing from where I left off with Peralta in prison, and there are a lot of lines about how problematic the prison system is but it's just kind of mentioning it and then moving on. Like Peralta and the Warden where they're discussing Peralta becoming an informant and this happens: Peralta: "No, the only people who have it worse than cops in prison are snitches!" Warden: "Transpeople have it a lot worse..." Peralta: "Yeah, that is a problem..." and then they just drop it. The Warden could be in a position to do something about it, but he obviously hasn't and admits it's a problem so it just makes him look like a bigger rear end in a top hat than the show intends.
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i don't blame you, it sucks to realise how much tv is copaganda. my family watches svu sometimes and it gets excruciatingly clear how often you're supposed to think that anything and everything the cops do to catch The Bad Guy is justifiable and correct. :/
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B99 is kinda the perfect sequel to Parks and Rec, in retrospect. A bunch of talented comedians come together to make light, cloying entertainment that turns to ash in your mouth.
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Turpitude II posted:cool motive, still reference to a poo poo song that should stay buried. Not as much as the pilot of Sense 8 has in that regard.
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Hattie Masters posted:Yeah I will admit despite having previously been a big fan of the show and loving the character interactions, honestly trying to watch it now mostly just angries up the blood. I started watched it lately based on recommendations from a bunch of people, and it's basically feel-good mindless entertainment if you turn your brain off. If you take it seriously, you start noticing things like jesus christ did they seriously arrest a black dude with zero evidence, and then spend an entire episode trying to find something to pin on him?
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I think it's partially because the same creator has since done The Good Place which was far more cutting about the concept of the reward/punishment afterlife and capitalism on the whole than Brooklyn 99 was about the police. B99 feels very milquetoast by comparison.
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BioEnchanted posted:I think it's partially because the same creator has since done The Good Place which was far more cutting about the concept of the reward/punishment afterlife and capitalism on the whole than Brooklyn 99 was about the police. B99 feels very milquetoast by comparison. Cannonball Run II: name of your sex tape!
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Turpitude II posted:i don't blame you, it sucks to realise how much tv is copaganda. my family watches svu sometimes and it gets excruciatingly clear how often you're supposed to think that anything and everything the cops do to catch The Bad Guy is justifiable and correct. :/ honestly, B99 just doesn't really seem like the same thing as that, to me. it's pretty blunt in B99 that what we're seeing is not meant to be grounded in reality at all, and that these are mythical Good Cops that do not and can not exist in reality (and are essentially made out of TV show cliches); it's less SVU and more Naked Gun with occasional flashes of seriousness. SVU is one of the most horrifying things ever put on television, though, so it's a high bar to cross
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Brooklyn 99's next season is going to feel REALLY weird, though.
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They all quit and pull an Archer Vice. Only, like, good.
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Arivia posted:Cannonball Run II: name of your sex tape! Was Cannonball Run II the one with Jackie Chan, (playing a Japanese dude if I remember rightly)? Or was it the one with Klinger from MASH and a chimpanzee?
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BrigadierSensible posted:Was Cannonball Run II the one with Jackie Chan, (playing a Japanese dude if I remember rightly)? Or was it the one with Klinger from MASH and a chimpanzee? Probably both?
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Edit: Whoops, wrong thread. Here's something for the B99 chat: https://twitter.com/iamstephbeatz/status/1267730471670050823?s=19 I have no reason to believe Beatriz isn't a good person, but her character would absolutely be involved in a real world police brutality case and she probably should take responsibility for how Rosa Diaz is portrayed. grittyreboot has a new favorite as of 10:04 on Jun 2, 2020 |
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grittyreboot posted:https://twitter.com/mikesalter74/status/1267712447340621824?s=19 Wrong thread?
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B99-related https://twitter.com/iamstephbeatz/status/1267730471670050823?s=20
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Jedit posted:Wrong thread? Yeah. I was editing it as Doctor Spaceman posted the same tweet I wanted to show this thread. Oopsie daisy
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Real talk though, actors who know what's up should not participate in entertainment media's whitewashing of police 'work'
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B99 isn’t the same as like parks and rec. Being police is more a backdrop for the stuff rather than the focus and it doesn’t really glorify cops. While Parks did spend a lot of time glorifying milquetoasr liberalism
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CharlestheHammer posted:B99 isn’t the same as like parks and rec. Being police is more a backdrop for the stuff rather than the focus and it doesn’t really glorify cops. While Parks did spend a lot of time glorifying milquetoasr liberalism It’s more like a Yes Minister thing in that it normalizes a certain idea of what police are and what policing is, even though it’s not about those things.
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For a more realistic portrayal of police, i recommend Hot Fuzz
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CharlestheHammer posted:B99 isn’t the same as like parks and rec. Being police is more a backdrop for the stuff rather than the focus and it doesn’t really glorify cops. While Parks did spend a lot of time glorifying milquetoasr liberalism Wrong, any depiction which endears the viewer to the police glorifies them
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oldpainless posted:For a more realistic portrayal of police, i recommend Hot Fuzz The funny thing is the protagonist is a supercop who actually takes responsibility for his actions and does all the paperwork, and thinks action movie cops are unrealistic and not a standard to look up to. And he unravels the town secret by actually paying attention to things and not immediately looking the other way when told to.
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I think Jimmy McNulty was too sympathetic as a representation of Baltimore cops.
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The wire was absolutely sympathetic to cops. It did whine about upper management a bit but in the end the rank and file were treated fairly sympathetically
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The Wire basically made everybody morally gray. Most of the cops could be huge pieces of poo poo but also believed in Good Police Work which was held back by corner-cutting and governmental agendas. It’s still probably the most accurate portrayal of police but the most realistic version would’ve had 40 more clones of Herc or Colicchio in the department. I don’t think anyone has ever suggested it’s unsympathetic to them. Just that it treats them as fully fleshed out characters and not everyday superheroes of the traditional police procedural. Henchman of Santa has a new favorite as of 18:50 on Jun 2, 2020 |
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I was hanging out at my parents house one time, and they were watching...Blue Bloods? I think it was Blue Bloods. Cop show starring one of the Wahlbergs. Anyway, it was around the time that Stop and Frisk was a thing, and in the show, the black mayor of the city was against it and was wanting to veto it. The police chief took him for a car ride, parked near a group of black people and the conversation basically went like this: Chief: "In my 30+ years of professional police experience, that is a drug deal happening right now. But, I'm not allowed to do anything about it because I can't stop and frisk them. If I try to do anything right now, it'll be my rear end on the hook and I'll be forced out of my job." Mayor: "  You have made your point. Stop and frisk is actually very good and I was a fool for doubting your desire to ignore the constitutional rights of colored people."
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I think that’s more insidious honestly. By treating them as flawed human beings trying to do the right thing you make them way more likable than just some superheroes
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Blue Bloods is unrepenting pro police trash from the little ive seen of it. More than any other cop show by a mile.
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Yeah, that's Blue Bloods. My parents watch it too 
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:Blue Bloods is unrepenting pro police trash from the little ive seen of it. More than any other cop show by a mile. Someone has never seen Silk Stalkings
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Me. I’ve never seen it. Is it any good?
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CharlestheHammer posted:I think that’s more insidious honestly. By treating them as flawed human beings trying to do the right thing you make them way more likable than just some superheroes In the US, police are basically a violent street gang with the power of the state behind them. This is a narrative that is altogether absent from any depictions in any of these shows.
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Pick posted:the funniest thing that ever happened on Archer was having to rename ISIS The funniest thing is that they had a lot of merch ready to go that was suddenly useless. Ghost Leviathan posted:The funny thing is the protagonist is a supercop who actually takes responsibility for his actions and does all the paperwork, and thinks action movie cops are unrealistic and not a standard to look up to. And he unravels the town secret by actually paying attention to things and not immediately looking the other way when told to. My favorite part is that he comes up with a theory about why they did it that actually makes a lot of sense and that would make them a lot of money. Then it turns that they're just petty assholes that wants to win a contest. Alhazred has a new favorite as of 19:18 on Jun 2, 2020 |
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There's that weird episode of Angel where some of Gunn's (black) friends report there's a glut of police violence going on. After some skepticism, Angel & co. realise that the cops are in fact indiscriminately targeting black people and exhibiting unjust force. This culminates in a cop shooting a (white) guy (Wesley) for no reason at all. Then it's revealed that the violence was because they were dead zombie cops being controlled by an evil cop with a magic statue, which Angel smashes, thus restoring the police force to semi-normalcy. I have no idea what they were trying to say with that episode.
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christmas boots posted:I think Jimmy McNulty was too sympathetic as a representation of Baltimore cops. I really hated his wake. It was just cops drinking for his dismissal or whatever. Should have been flat out on the table.
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Jokerpilled Drudge posted:In the US, police are basically a violent street gang with the power of the state behind them. This is a narrative that is altogether absent from any depictions in any of these shows. Vic Mackey remains the most realistic cop to ever appear on TV.
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