BBJoey posted:thank you for your advice. to ensure i do not look like an rear end, can you clarify how long "this moment" will last for? i do not want to speak out of turn. Just a little longer, I promise. But don't call us -- we'll call you
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BBJoey posted:thank you for your advice. to ensure i do not look like an rear end, can you clarify how long "this moment" will last for? i do not want to speak out of turn. I have no time-frame for how long these protests go for. But you'll be happy to know that I cannot stop you from speaking over their voices if you choose to.
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Jun 3, 2020 07:32
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Pleasant Friend is still holding a minute's silence for Andrew Bolt's 18C conviction and nobody told him the minute was over
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Jun 3, 2020 07:34
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Sulla Faex posted:Pleasant Friend is still holding a minute's silence for Andrew Bolt's 18C conviction and nobody told him the minute was over I was giving you the benefit of doubt but it sounds mostly like you just don't give a poo poo about African American voices or experiences. Maybe this is why they wanted the moment to focus solely on themselves?
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Jun 3, 2020 07:37
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Tell me, what do you think the Auspol thread should be discussing, and how, and for how long?
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Jun 3, 2020 07:40
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Amethyst posted:This thread loving sucks poo poo. I was right to stay away for several months. Bye.
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Jun 3, 2020 07:41
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Quantum Shart posted:How many aboriginal deaths in custody is ok to you? Thank you for this nuanced analysis. Because I do not agree that law enforcement is inherently wrong or that all cops can be fairly characterised as bastards, I must ipso facto be A-OK with police abuse. Nice avatar btw.
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Jun 3, 2020 07:43
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Pleasant Friend posted:At the very least I think its tone deaf for any white person at this point in time to amplify any other message. I did some some posts on facebook from POC concerned that some of the protests that were being organised in Australia had no connection to any Aboriginal groups, I think that is a concern as well white people taking a opportunity to make an issue about them is unsurprising but dumb. However any marginalised group should be absolutely making the most of the rare moment (post reported being attacked ofcourse) that the media and public may give a poo poo about anything to do with inequality. If some migrant workers on rather rightless visa classes can use the current media focus to help them with exploitation/violence at work then fuckit why shouldn't they. That opportunity certainly isn't going to come up when the national debate switches to whether or not we should give big business a big tax cut or a bigger tax cut.
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Jun 3, 2020 07:45
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Peter Dutton was/is a cop ACAB
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Jun 3, 2020 07:50
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thatbastardken posted:what percentage of a murder's time is spent committing murders? I concur. I also believe the NSW cop who assaulted that kid should be stripped of his badge and charged. The other cops who went along with it should be disciplined. The guy who killed Floyd should go to prison for murder. The slogan bothers me because I find it particularly representative of a very common lazy, reactionary, black-and-white 160-character internet shitposting view of the world. (And yes, I realise I'm on SA). There are actually really interesting conversations to have around police abolition, criminal justice reforms, alternative law enforcement, and an edgelord acronym (co-opted from loving skinhead gangs!) is a tedious and insulting way to approach it.
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Jun 3, 2020 07:51
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freebooter posted:There are actually really interesting conversations to have around police abolition, criminal justice reforms, alternative law enforcement, and an acronym is a good start Yeah
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Jun 3, 2020 07:53
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VOTE1 posted:I did some some posts on facebook from POC concerned that some of the protests that were being organised in Australia had no connection to any Aboriginal groups, I think that is a concern as well white people taking a opportunity to make an issue about them is unsurprising but dumb. However any marginalised group should be absolutely making the most of the rare moment (post reported being attacked ofcourse) that the media and public may give a poo poo about anything to do with inequality. You make some very good points. The most important thing white people in America (and Australia) can do right now is shut up and let black voices lead (besides maybe donate actual money/resources).
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Jun 3, 2020 07:54
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Freebooter when you hear "ACAB" do you think people most mean that literally every single cop ever is a wife beating power tripping sociopath?
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Pleasant Friend posted:You make some very good points. The most important thing white people in America (and Australia) can do right now is shut up and let black voices lead (besides maybe donate actual money/resources). I'm sorry that I didn't provide you with a more palatable out earlier, but white silence is a problematic concept to say the least, please tell me you see this "I'm sorry, I don't talk about race issues -- I'm white. I'll leave that to other people to worry about"
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Jun 3, 2020 07:56
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Sulla Faex posted:Freebooter when you hear "ACAB" do you think people most mean that literally every single cop ever is a wife beating power tripping sociopath? well, thats what i mean when i say it
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GoldStandardConure posted:well, thats what i mean when i say it I know but I don't like overextended arguments that can be dismissed rather than analysed just by finding one example that runs counter to it. The problem is systemic, it's not just a collection of "bad apples"
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Jun 3, 2020 08:08
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Sulla Faex posted:Freebooter when you hear "ACAB" do you think people most mean that literally every single cop ever is a wife beating power tripping sociopath? Yes? I think you're in the minority if you think ACAB means something more nuanced.
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Jun 3, 2020 08:09
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You can literally put "what does ACAB mean" into a search engine and find multiple articles on the front page talking about how it's more nuanced than that ? I don't know how you'd go about quantifying majorities but the concept is absolutely not just something that appeared on a single tweet from 2015, never to be seen again
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Jun 3, 2020 08:12
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Sulla Faex posted:I'm sorry that I didn't provide you with a more palatable out earlier, but white silence is a problematic concept to say the least, please tell me you see this Yeah, shutting up is not like, not not speaking, its amplifying black voices. What you say is true, and aboriginals deserve full justice now, they shouldn't have to 'wait their turn'. But respecting the wishes and feelings of African Americans is a pretty big deal too, so this situation is very nuanced, and I don't feel qualified making comments on the situation beyond trying to repeat the views I've seen expressed by black voices. And I'm sorry if I replied before with unneeded hostility.
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Jun 3, 2020 08:14
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ungulateman posted:i mean, has anybody actually...asked what black americans think about police brutality in australia? because i expect they wouldn't like it, and not have a problem with bilateral support to and from america and australia about it, because they're not loving morons Why would you ask any Americans about what they think of stuff happening in Australia? They don't learn about the world outside our country like we do.
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Sulla Faex posted:You can literally put "what does ACAB mean" into a search engine and find multiple articles on the front page talking about how it's more nuanced than that ? Sure, for some people. But there are others who literally mean "I think every cop is an abusive dickhole". Like with prison abolitionists. There are some people who mean a more nuanced take when they say "close prisons", but there are plenty out there who mean the literal thing they're saying. If you doubt it, hop on over to the GBS or CSPAM threads and ask if they're being literal or using it as shorthand for a nuanced point.
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Jun 3, 2020 08:16
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Pleasant Friend posted:Yeah, shutting up is not like, not not speaking, its amplifying black voices. Understood, and I agree, but I take issue with telling indigenous Australians to wait their turn. They've been waiting a pretty long time It's really loving hard to get normal people to give a poo poo about any of this, you can't just turn it on and off
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Whitlam posted:Sure, for some people. But there are others who literally mean "I think every cop is an abusive dickhole". Like with prison abolitionists. There are some people who mean a more nuanced take when they say "close prisons", but there are plenty out there who mean the literal thing they're saying. I'm not saying some people don't believe this, or even a large number of people, but I really don't know about a majority. A lot of people are firmly anti-vaccination but I wouldn't say the majority of the human race feels that way And from memory they were saying that ACAB is inherently wrong - but specifically choosing the more extreme interpretation of the meaning in order to make it easier to reject
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freebooter posted:I concur. I also believe the NSW cop who assaulted that kid should be stripped of his badge and charged. The other cops who went along with it should be disciplined. The guy who killed Floyd should go to prison for murder. it's a phrase that dates to at least the 1920s and the thing about it being a skinhead slogan is that only the ADL claims that and they can gently caress off because they're an organization dedicated to protecting the good name of the fascist state of Israel against criticism. further, it's impossible to have a nuanced conversation about policing in an environment where the police are free to murder and injure anyone who criticizes them or even attempts to report on their misbehavior! until all cops stop supporting each other in their criminal enterprise I see no reason to distinguish between them.
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https://twitter.com/oz_f/status/1267978220814479360?s=19 Oh God this take ssssuuuucks
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ACAB is mostly to improve the chances that a jury will take the side of the arsehole kid that abused a cop and come to meet with some smashed teeth when he fell over. Unions exist because a lot of bosses are bastards, Unions have limited impact when the bosses are good. ACAB has no impact when police are fair and seen by all strata's of society as a source of protection. Electric Wrigglies fucked around with this message at 08:30 on Jun 3, 2020 |
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Not being a bastard means standing up to bastards and holding them to account instead of protecting them If you start doing that, they stop letting you be a cop.
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Electric Wrigglies posted:ACAB is mostly to improve the chances that a jury will take the side of the arsehole kid that abused a cop and come to meet with some smashed teeth when he fell over. wow gently caress you you piece of poo poo
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Sulla Faex posted:I'm not saying some people don't believe this, or even a large number of people, but I really don't know about a majority. A lot of people are firmly anti-vaccination but I wouldn't say the majority of the human race feels that way I don't really disagree with anything you're saying, I just think "do you think people are being literal when they say it?" is a weak gotcha, since for a lot of people (as far as I can tell), the answer is sincerely "yes". Or maybe it's the forums skewing reality again, since they lean way more left than general society, and maybe goons shouldn't be taken as generally representative of society. They shouldn't, in politics or any other area.
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thatbastardken posted:wow gently caress you you piece of poo poo Ahh, I'm going to assume you took the first sentence literally and on re-reading that I can totally get that. My "arsehole" and "come to meet with" are reference to how the authorities consistently change the details/narrative of a story to muddy the water of who is in the wrong.
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Electric Wrigglies posted:Ahh, I'm going to assume you took the first sentence literally and on re-reading that I can totally get that. My "arsehole" and "come to meet with" are reference to how the authorities consistently change the details/narrative of a story to muddy the water of who is in the wrong. ah. well, i retract that statement. you're going to have to wear the red text though, sorry.
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Quantum Shart posted:https://twitter.com/oz_f/status/1267978220814479360?s=19 He blocked me because he linked to a story about a guy being arrested for breaching Covid laws with ‘its because he’s brown’ I mentioned to him in the story it indicates he’d been warned four different times to stay at home as he’d just returned from Iran. But it’s because he was brown, so. 
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Pleasant Friend posted:I didn't hear you saying ACAB when those four cops were flattened in Melbourne I would tell you how I really feel about those four good cops but I'm pretty sure ASIO is reading this thread.
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freebooter posted:Thank you for this nuanced analysis. Because I do not agree that law enforcement is inherently wrong or that all cops can be fairly characterised as bastards, I must ipso facto be A-OK with police abuse. Nice avatar btw. Good to see you understand Disco Elysium as much as ACAB then dipshit
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