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If you are who I think you are, then I need to know, was your avatar a "juggalogre"? Was that the joke? haha no gently caress you posted:see what happens when i run out of weed! Thoughts and prayers
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i'm still permabanned though lol. that's a separate issue. anyway before i go, please donate to this cause https://twitter.com/DebKilroy/status/1265547927365332992 they're getting indigenous women out of custody. which is important for several reasons. indigenous women in custody are frequently murdered; they have children and other dependents that they can't care for if they're locked up, and every kid deprived of a mother by the justice system is another kid started down a bad path; and the second wave of coronavirus is bearing down on the prisons like a tsunami. already people are losing contact with relatives in prisons known to be hit by coronavirus, just as is happening in america. so if those double dole dollars are burning a hole in your pocket, this is an excellent place to spend them. and if you would love to help the cause but can't go out on the streets and march, this is how you can do real good from your computer chair. (yes i did donate, more than i have given to something awful in the past three years, as extraordinary as that may seem)
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it's a good cause, debbie kilroy is good people, i met her once and she is awesome
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thatbastardken posted:it's a good cause, debbie kilroy is good people, i met her once and she is awesome you probably already follow her, but if you want cutting-edge coverage of indigenous affairs delivered hilariously, nakkiah lui is a pro follow too
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Cops as an institution is actually fairly recent, starting in 1829 as the London Metropolitan Police. As it ends up the whole concept wasn't a necessity for societies to work! They also didn't give them guns, ever. Then Cops were imported to Ireland and became a colonial tool, and they were armed with more than billy clubs to enforce laws. Now the entire institution is based on bastardry and corruption on a massive scale and there is not a single cop that is not also a bastard. If they were not a bastard, they would not be a cop. Defunding the police would not be the end of the world, hell you'd have one less protection racket to worry about.
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Buttcoin purse posted:You are/were in the SES right? I don't remember seeing anyone identified as being in the SES on that site either so maybe the SES has been forgotten Are. But to be fair we're not exactly first responders. Uh unless you're out west, then you are because there's no fire service with jaws of life so it's on us to do it then. But in MY role we're not first responding generally. They don't count turning up to peoples damaged houses after a storm to divert flooding or patch a roof over as that. Uh Now I think about it maybe they should but eh w/e I'm a nerd who'd rather live in a command centre so I'm not really front lining it much.
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haha no gently caress you posted:you met her! that's cool. i just follow her on twitter, where she's great, but it's even better to know she's cool in person yeah back when i was still studying law she was involved in setting up the community legal service i volunteered at. i was not following nakkiah lui but i am now, thanks.
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Buttcoin purse posted:If you are who I think you are, then I need to know, was your avatar a "juggalogre"? Was that the joke?
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What was the thread consensus on good internet providers? Aussie Broadband? I'm moving so if anyone has any referrals or anything they want to share I'm down to use them.
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Whitlam posted:What was the thread consensus on good internet providers? Aussie Broadband? I'm moving so if anyone has any referrals or anything they want to share I'm down to use them. ABB seems pretty good for the 10$ a month extra, they have better routing to SEA (than TPG) and their tech service is a bit nicer.
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I went with Aussie Broadband and I'm actually getting decent tech support for once (Thank you Tony Abbott for the hosed up NBN.)
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Whitlam posted:What was the thread consensus on good internet providers? Aussie Broadband? I'm moving so if anyone has any referrals or anything they want to share I'm down to use them. I haven't had any issues with Aussie broadband since we signed up. Never had to call support. They keep you in the loop of any maintenance etc. Can't complain.
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Aussie, Mate Communicate, Tangerine, Super loop. All good choices, from what I hear from other people.
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:I went with Aussie Broadband and I'm actually getting decent tech support for once (Thank you Tony Abbott for the hosed up NBN.) Yeah, we went with them when we got our NBN in January and they've been excellent
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yeah i went to superloop nearly 6 months ago because of a deal that's about to expire. i was on aussiebb beforehand. i could not tell the difference between the two. (fttp)
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Cheers crew, ABB it probably is.
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I have a discount code if anyone wants for aussie, PM me if you need one.
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I learned a lot from cop chat. Thank you for mostly keeping it civil and interesting.
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Relevant to the discussion in this thread today: https://twitter.com/DanielAndrewsMP/status/1268117810326040576?s=20
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haha no gently caress you posted:i'm still permabanned though lol. that's a separate issue. We still do debtors prison? Last of heard of this poo poo was over a decade ago, I thought we were abolishing it. gently caress this noise. Does the current government have a position on these laws?
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its funny with ACAB because as a commentary on willingly subscribing to a system of systemic oppression we don't exactly subscribe to All Priests Are Bastards but to that sae level we want reform from their immunity and protection afforded them through the many many many abuses of the clergy maybe it should go both ways Note: i haven't quite worked out my thought process on this it's just an observation and not meant to make a statement on the ACAB pros and cons debate, it's more another example of that systemic rot needs change and how to address it is currently being properly debated as something has to change.
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Remember the Apex Gang panic that cops chicken little'd about
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The Peccadillo posted:Remember the Apex Gang panic that cops chicken little'd about i thought that was the media and the cops kept having to keep making press conferences saying that Apex didnt exist but you couldn't stop the Herald Sun
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Lid posted:i thought that was the media and the cops kept having to keep making press conferences saying that Apex didnt exist but you couldn't stop the Herald Sun it was this. the media here are somehow more cop than the cops
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Lid posted:its funny with ACAB because as a commentary on willingly subscribing to a system of systemic oppression we don't exactly subscribe to All Priests Are Bastards but to that sae level we want reform from their immunity and protection afforded them through the many many many abuses of the clergy maybe it should go both ways I'm more than willing to go with All Catholic (Priests) Are Bad. Because gently caress knows we need to dismantle the hierarchy of pedophiles and pedo protectors that make it up. Which again, rolls along with the problem being systemic rather than individual (there are also individual problems but that's not what ACAB is talking about).
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Lid posted:i thought that was the media and the cops kept having to keep making press conferences saying that Apex didnt exist but you couldn't stop the Herald Sun Yeah, it was the Libs and the Hun, and then idiots going "the cops just don't want to admit it's a real thing because they're too PC". Racist logic, it's a hell of a drug.
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I mean, Peter Dutton, the most powerful cop in the country, went on TV to say how scared of black kids he was about it
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The Peccadillo posted:I mean, Peter Dutton, the most powerful cop in the country, went on TV to say how scared of black kids he was about it Remember Sunshine cops all had those mudfish or whatever it was shirts and mugs made
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hooman posted:I'm more than willing to go with All Catholic (Priests) Are Bad. Because gently caress knows we need to dismantle the hierarchy of pedophiles and pedo protectors that make it up. Which again, rolls along with the problem being systemic rather than individual (there are also individual problems but that's not what ACAB is talking about). Haha yeah I was thinking earlier of making a reference to priests and the church in terms of systemic complicity but decided against it because I didn't want to muddy the point. Funny that it then came up as a counter-argument e: except in recent years, especially in the australian concept, you don't have the same appeal to authority that attracts cops as you do in the church, so it's more credible that someone would become a priest for benevolent/altruistic purposes than a cop Sulla Faex fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Jun 3, 2020 |
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freebooter posted:Thank you for this nuanced analysis. Because I do not agree that law enforcement is inherently wrong or that all cops can be fairly characterised as bastards, I must ipso facto be A-OK with police abuse. Nice avatar btw.
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Sappy Fingers posted:Reset your thinking. ACAB is less of a proclamation/opinion/statement than it is a principle or guideline for interacting with police in general. It means to never assume that police will act in good faith, stay vigilant, be aware of the psychological tactics used to extract information from you. They are not your friend and do not care to be. Your trust in an individual cop should not be any higher than a salesperson. Absolutely this. Cops are only your friend if they identify with you or that specific one is your person on the inside - otherwise it now attracts people that love exercising authority over others. The original concept of police was to have someone that was part of the community be provided resources and funding so they could spend time helping out their fellow community member with the authority to address thieves and violent criminals. It has over time evolved to be a "force" that now will commonly refer to the population as "civilians" and needing more and more tools and equipment to protect themselves from those civilians.
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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jun/03/morrison-government-to-offer-25000-grants-to-help-build-and-renovate-homes "To be eligible for the grants, singles need to earn $125,000 a year or less based on a 2018/19 tax return or later, and couples need to earn under $200,000. Building contracts need to be executed between 4 June and 31 December 2020." "To qualify, people need to be intending to build a new home as a principal place of residence valued up to $750,000 including the land, or planning to renovate an existing property, with the upgrade valued at between $150,000 and $750,000." "Existing properties need to be worth less than $1.5m before the renovation, and construction must be contracted to commence within three months of the contract date." I've seen a few journalist succs call this 'bizarre' and certainly the renovation part of the stimulus is a bit on the nose, but the first home buyers grant is good? I'm looking to start building my first new house in the next 6 months so it's pretty perfect on top of the Vic 20k grant for building regionally, I'll basically get 45K to build a new house an hour from the city and actually get something affordable.
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Quantum Shart posted:https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jun/03/morrison-government-to-offer-25000-grants-to-help-build-and-renovate-homes The renovations initiative is truly hosed - there's going to be very few if any people who've been sitting on $150k in cash, don't earn that much annually, and are ready to renovate something immediately. But also haven't until now for... some? reason. A friend likened it to Tiffanys selling a $4k necklace and running a promotion offering free shipping.
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Yeast posted:The renovations initiative is truly hosed - there's going to be very few if any people who've been sitting on $150k in cash, don't earn that much annually, and are ready to renovate something immediately. But also haven't until now for... some? reason. My assumption was that they're expecting people to leverage the value of the home to finance renovations. It's the same thing as using your super to pay for your rent, leveraging the future value of people to pay for now, instead of fronting up the cash totally.
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Yeah what a loving joke. We just found out some of our floorboards have woodborers, so between treating it and getting new floors in which we wanted to do anyway It was maybe gonna cost me 10k? So I wasn’t expecting the whole thing but thought it might subsidised a little- but 150K who has that sitting around and needs a discount
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I think the impetus is to really, really push new home builds (fair), but to appease builders groups they wanted something they could point to and be all 'oh no, it's not just new construction' may as well not be there and just focus on new dwellings. It's a reasonable scheme.
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Quantum Shart posted:https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jun/03/morrison-government-to-offer-25000-grants-to-help-build-and-renovate-homes Like in the absence of considering any of the million other options they could have done instead or in concert with this, a new home builders grant isn't a terrible idea, but pouring more money on the fire of housing affordability isn't a responsible approach (nor is it intended to be, it's intended to shut the construction industry up and pander to housing affordability complaints without addressing any of the structural causes)
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