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https://twitter.com/TrueAnonPod/status/1268236723215110147?s=19 https://twitter.com/TonyBeast1957/status/1268370549153112068?s=19 MizPiz has a new favorite as of 06:21 on Jun 4, 2020 |
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I'm really ashamed that I had never heard of this American badass until a couple months ago, dude talked white supremacists into allying with Blacks and Latinos against the real threats to their way of life, the rich. The fact that his name, and facts like the Federal Government had him assassinated, and the first gun control laws were passed by Ronnie fuckin' Reagan to strip the Panthers of their guns, because cops couldn't commit hate crimes when a black man with an assault rifle was staring at them, aren't widly taught in schools is loving criminal, and a clear example of a racist system struggling to maintain its racist oppression.
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Elviscat posted:I'm really ashamed that I had never heard of this American badass until a couple months ago, dude talked white supremacists into allying with Blacks and Latinos against the real threats to their way of life, the rich. Reminder he was drugged out of his mind on barbituates by his bodyguard, a plant working for the police/fbi, and they found him passed out in bed and shot him twice, then dragged his body into the hallway leaving a trail of blood. The following day the mayor praised the Chicago police for their humanity&restraint in not gunning down every single black person in the house. ofc the only major effective gun legislation ever passed by republicans targeted black gun owners too. It's like the saying from back when they tried to pass prohibition and they were trying to drum up support with racist propaganda, the one thing southern whites feared most was a black man with a whiskey in one hand and a ballot in the other and they'd do anything to keep it from happening. pentyne has a new favorite as of 07:11 on Jun 4, 2020 |
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Elviscat posted:I'm really ashamed that I had never heard of this American badass until a couple months ago, dude talked white supremacists into allying with Blacks and Latinos against the real threats to their way of life, the rich. There's a lot of talks including on these forums about how violence against white supremacists is the only possible answer, but the biggest strides have always been made by people peacefully approaching them and allying them with non-white groups. Rich people want there to be a white people vs. non-white people culture because that way they are in the majority and democracy works in their favor, whereas a rich vs. poor culture would see all their advantages crumbling. The rich elite are using their resources to promote hatred between races because it serves their needs. That includes hatred toward white supremacists, if they are hated enough by left wing people there won't be a coalition and the white supremacists will keep voting for people like Trump. Elections around the world are rigged by bombarding social media with extremism on both sides of a racial, religious or cultural divide. I've seen people condemn deprogramming white supremacists because they wouldn't be deserving of such attention when so many other, better people need help, but the fact is that deprogramming white supremacists is helping not just those people but also many others by reducing the white supremacist base. I have massive respect for non-white people around the world that have offered white supremacist leaders olive branches because they had to set aside their feelings about massive injustices against their people and their efforts in doing so have helped create some of the biggest leaps in creating a more equal world. Wanting to punch a chud is a very understandable sentiment but know that this is a sentiment that the rich elite want you to have, and are actively working to plant in your head because it serves their needs, keeping poor people divided.
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Oh yeah, it was dirty as gently caress, the Chicago PD tried to justify their actions by pointing out one of the Panthers fired a shot. It was his hand reflexively pulling the trigger after he had already been shot to death. The whole thing is INCREDIBLY disgusting. E: not to mention he had the wherewithal to call a family member and tell them he felt strange and hosed up before he passed out. ^^^Yeah, it's important to remember cops (white and PoC) are the tool of a much greater and more insidious machine that is designed to keep the poor of all colors down, and uses racial divisiveness to do so. Punching at cops is totally valid, but there's a level above them that has a vested interest in making sure cops in neighborhoods that are predominantly poor PoC are white, and that they're not "good" examples of white cops. We've graduated to "Southern Strategy" level racism in this country, where the enemy will never present itself, it's pretty plain to see if you look for anyone crying over the illegal riots and the importance of law & order. Elviscat has a new favorite as of 08:33 on Jun 4, 2020 |
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Elviscat posted:Oh yeah, it was dirty as gently caress, the Chicago PD tried to justify their actions by pointing out one of the Panthers fired a shot. And that reflex shot was described in official reports, in speeches and in newspapers as a volley of gunfire from every window and door that almost callously mowed down a bunch of brave and noble cops who heroically charged the house to restore order and peace to the city. Cops who were then gracious enough not to have rightfully killed everyone in the house as reported in the news.
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Pakled posted:It's more progressive than most cop shows, but it still has tropes that reinforce police brutality and abuse of power. Stuff like public defenders and internal affairs being presented as villains, cops bending or breaking the rules to get arrests and it being presented as a good thing, etc. The only good cop show was Reno 911.
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Jun 4, 2020 08:35
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pentyne posted:And that reflex shot was described in official reports, in speeches and in newspapers as a volley of gunfire from every window and door that almost callously mowed down a bunch of brave and noble cops who heroically charged the house to restore order and peace to the city. Cops who were then gracious enough not to have rightfully killed everyone in the house as reported in the news. Yeah, you have to have a good backstory if you're going to publicly murder a young black man who has literally never committed a crime in his life, for the sins of being charismatic and unslanderable because he was a pure as gently caress human being. Most of the other Panther leaders had poo poo on their record that's problematic at best, not this dude. Maybe the coldest blooded assassination in history.
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Griefor posted:but the biggest strides have always been made by people peacefully approaching them and allying them with non-white groups. Massive, enormous citation needed
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Griefor posted:but the biggest strides have always been made by people peacefully approaching them and allying them with non-white groups. Where do I get a brain like this. 
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Griefor posted:There's a lot of talks including on these forums about how violence against white supremacists is the only possible answer, but the biggest strides have always been made by people peacefully approaching them and allying them with non-white groups.  They got the peacefully approach part down but somehow they botched the second, oh well must be their fault for not making them allies.
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Look, whether these strides are the biggest is hard to quantify and though I believe that it is impossible to prove. But you cannot deny that it is effective. Fred Hampton was not assassinated because his coalition would have petered out by itself, his coalition was feared by the rich elite enough for them to commit a pretty large scale conspiracy to get rid of it. The fact is that poor whites and poor minorites share a lot of interests and if they can align they can can attain a majority in a democratic process, which is why the rich elite practices a divide and conquer approach against it. I'm not talking about fighting against foreign invaders, governments, or systems, I'm talking about eroding a group of people holding hateful beliefs. You cannot punch a hateful belief out of someone.
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Kenning posted:The only good cop show was Reno 911. You have a funny way of spelling Wellington Paranormal, friend.
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Griefor posted:But you cannot deny that it is effective. I can and I am Griefor posted:You cannot punch a hateful belief out of someone. The point of punching a nazi isn't to change their mind, it's to stop them from going out and doing nazi things and to make their friends think twice as well
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The porn star thing is both true (has been reported by national news too) and utterly, incomprehensively bizarre. Guy roped someone into some kind of drug-fueled "mystic ritual", had him down some quantity of frog poison, then the other guy died because, well, poison. Simulation is definitely off-the-rails here.
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Griefor posted:Look, whether these strides are the biggest is hard to quantify and though I believe that it is impossible to prove. But you cannot deny that it is effective. Fred Hampton was not assassinated because his coalition would have petered out by itself, his coalition was feared by the rich elite enough for them to commit a pretty large scale conspiracy to get rid of it. The fact is that poor whites and poor minorites share a lot of interests and if they can align they can can attain a majority in a democratic process, which is why the rich elite practices a divide and conquer approach against it. I'm not talking about fighting against foreign invaders, governments, or systems, I'm talking about eroding a group of people holding hateful beliefs. You cannot punch a hateful belief out of someone. Fred Hampton reached out to poor working class white people who were racist as a default in american society, not suburban nazis like richard spencer. If the story of Hampton should teach you anything, it's that the western nation state (bigger than just america) is racist by design. It's not incidental to the US that it has a racial hierachy, it is absolutely required to maintain the wealth distribution and yes,  create a desperate surplus army of labour. In a world where that system is dismantled, yes, whatever society follows should not vindictivly punish people for racist beliefs they held as a result of the system they inhabited. But that's different than fighting against it now, or it's agents, many of who a) know what they are doing and b) are defending their class interests at the expense of those below them and will therefor never stop until they are forced to. The young patriots where dirt-poor appalachians struggling to exist in Chicago. They could be reached. But that's because they shared class interests, there was commonality and solidarity there.
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Griefor posted:You cannot punch a hateful belief out of someone. If they're unconcious, the belief has been punched out. Apply as needed. I'm all for civil discourse, and it can work. But it doesnt work when that view is espoused by multiple leaders of multiple countries and a staggeringly large amount of their populations. The time for decorum and giving equal time to both sides because c'mon guys we can talk this out has passed, and if you can't see that you're just as complicit and could probably fuckin use one as well.
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Trying to talk to nazis went out the window when they gained enough political power to cut what little funding that was going towards tracking what the white supremacists are doing in this country.
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"You wont change anyone's mind by attacking them  " I dont give a fat gay gently caress about changing minds I'm trying not to get killed
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rodbeard posted:Trying to talk to nazis went out the window when they gained enough political power to cut what little funding that was going towards tracking what the white supremacists are doing in this country. So 1865 or 1776?
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Captain Monkey posted:So 1865 or 1776? Captain Monkey posted:So 1865 or 1776? Get what you’re saying but more recently you could pin a lot of this blame on the Oklahoma investigation stopping at mcveigh and not following up on Elohim city because they wanted to avoid another Waco
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Ambitious Spider posted:Get what you’re saying but more recently you could pin a lot of this blame on the Oklahoma investigation stopping at mcveigh and not following up on Elohim city because they wanted to avoid another Waco *search on Wikipedia* ...well gently caress
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Pastry of the Year posted:COLUMBO this guy gets it 
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The Little Death posted:Fred Hampton reached out to poor working class white people who were racist as a default in american society, not suburban nazis like richard spencer. If the story of Hampton should teach you anything, it's that the western nation state (bigger than just america) is racist by design. It's not incidental to the US that it has a racial hierachy, it is absolutely required to maintain the wealth distribution and yes, iwentdoodie posted:If they're unconcious, the belief has been punched out. Apply as needed. In my view though there's two groups, there's the leaders many of whom don't really believe any of the racist poo poo they're spouting but they spout it because it helps maintain their status quo. gently caress, many of them probably don't spout it themselves but pay a PR firm to spout it over Facebook through robot accounts for them. Then there is the grunts who follow them. The reason that the grunts have gotten more violent and extreme is because they are being deliberately pushed to be so. You shouldn't take the fight to the grunts (which is something different from saying you are not allowed to defend yourself against them), you should take the fight to the rich elite. They are the source of the problem. One way to do so is to convince the grunts not to follow the rich elite. The fuckers truly responsible for all the broken systems are not out there waving white power flags, they're sitting in huge mansions. I don't believe poor white people today are inherently different from poor white people 50 years ago, the differences you see are from the propaganda fed to them. The reason it is hard to get through to them is that there is a massive amount of rich elite resources spent to keep them where they are in a huge white nationalist echo chamber. I won't feel bad for a chud who gets punched but let's not pretend that it changes anything. iwentdoodie posted:The time for decorum and giving equal time to both sides because c'mon guys we can talk this out has passed, and if you can't see that you're just as complicit and could probably fuckin use one as well. I just don't see how violence is going to achieve more. I'm not saying to listen to white nationalists, I'm talking about deprogramming them. Did you consider that this anger where you want to punch me now as well may have also been instilled by online race war culture? The rich elite are also fanning the flames on the left side to keep everyone angry - because it serves their needs. If everyone thinks the time for talk is over their divide and conquer strategy will keep working.
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You can’t deprogram white nationalists they are to far gone. You can reach the more subconscious ones but once they embrace it they are gone
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Griefor posted:
Nah, it started when hammerskins killed a friend of mine for being a gay, immigrant punk and then stabbed his dad for it too when we were teenagers but hey go off about how we need to talk to them instead. It's easy to say talk is needed when none of it has ever made an impact on your life outside of twitter. I dont disagree that talking can change some minds, but again: we long ago passed the point where non violence is viable. It just means you talk while they shoot.
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CharlestheHammer posted:You can’t deprogram white nationalists they are to far gone. You can reach the more subconscious ones but once they embrace it they are gone This is not true at all, most of the organizers of Life After Hate were high ranking hate group members: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_After_Hate
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Life After Hate is a good example that they can be deprogrammed, but not every white supremacist can and even if they could there are simply too many of them for it ever to be a real solution. It should be part of the solution, but the real heavy lifting has to be, and always will be, punching loving Nazis in the face.
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There's no competition between those two ideals. It's not like Antifa is raiding Nazi's in their homes. You can still be for deprogramming but recongize the need for self-defence.
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A 17th century tercio commander would look at police riot deployments and first ask "where are the pikes?"
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iwentdoodie posted:Nah, it started when hammerskins killed a friend of mine for being a gay, immigrant punk and then stabbed his dad for it too when we were teenagers but hey go off about how we need to talk to them instead. No one is actually saying let white supremacists do whatever they want without consequences (despite the fact that some people here seem to want people to be saying that because it's easier to argue with). But what about the much more common casual/unconscious racists? The "I don't hate black people I just think they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and if they had just listened to the police none of this would have happened" small town/suburban idiots? Or the dumbass teenagers going off on social media because they're dumb teenagers and their brains haven't developed the structure to understand consequences yet? I mean gently caress, I grew up in a small rural Midwestern town and literally never personally interacted with any black or openly LGBT people until I left for college, and I remember overhearing, saying, and thinking some dumb things that absolutely would not be appropriate today. But then I learned better. Sure, some (lots) of people refuse to learn better and nobody should get unlimited benefit of the doubt. But let's not pretend like there isn't a streak on this site and others of "this person said something not cool eleven years ago when they were in high school, they're irredeemable and should be ostracized for life." Okay, sorry, I just needed to get that off my chest. Here's something nobody here is actually arguing but does exist and needs to be pushed back against: https://twitter.com/KenJennings/status/1268380460339441664 EDIT: This is definitely not the thread for this and I should probably be probated for continuing the derail. Moon Slayer has a new favorite as of 18:28 on Jun 4, 2020 |
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