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SlothfulCobra posted:Maybe if they move to Catalonia they'll finally make a system to break up all those big blobs. 
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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I'm just appreciating that they decided to move their era of colonization game studio to Spain of all places.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:I'm just appreciating that they decided to move their era of colonization game studio to Spain of all places. *the Crown of Aragon
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Jun 1, 2020 17:47
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It's a good move by Paradox, there's a lot of talent for Alt History around there: Catalonia pays €3m to firms linked to theory Shakespeare was Catalan
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Jun 1, 2020 18:03
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Should have moved to Lisbon.
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Seville, TBH. For the Andalucia trade node.
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https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/en/paradox-interactive-to-sign-collective-bargaining-agreement-with-labor-unions/ Explains the new studio 
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Yeah I came to post that, that sure is some timing.
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Jun 3, 2020 16:42
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The timing is certainly a bit suspicious. It would line up with some of the stranger business decisions Paradox has made lately. Remember that outsourced Stellaris mobile game fiasco? I hope there's nothing to it and they are really just expanding to make better products, but it seems like something to keep an eye on. We'll know something is up if loads of people suddenly get laid off in Sweden due to "Corona-related economic trouble" while this project stays up.
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Relevant: https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1268202107267579905
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That's promising. I hope it's not just the PR people saying that. You'd know better that me, at any rate.
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Jun 3, 2020 17:53
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Yeah union membership is pretty much taken for granted in Sweden. People are generally surprised if someone is not in a union. This may be somewhat different in software/tech, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions yet.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:Yeah union membership is pretty much taken for granted in Sweden. People are generally surprised if someone is not in a union. This may be somewhat different in software/tech, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions yet. From what I understand tech and games in particular are sort of outliers in Sweden when it comes to union membership. A combination of being fairly new and also being more international, with people coming in from different work cultures. Something like 80% of the private sector in Sweden is unionized and has Collective Agreements. There's enough stuff like the union's unemployment insurance paying out a significantly higher amount than the state's that even center and center-right people are union members because it is such a no-brainer.
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Cynic Jester posted:https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/en/paradox-interactive-to-sign-collective-bargaining-agreement-with-labor-unions/ Goons want to be skeptical but all I have to say is congrats pdox employees, I'm sending solidarity in the form of unconditional upvotes on dev diaries.
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I don't really get what the doom and gloom is over PDX employees securing good working conditions? Am I missing something?
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Fellblade posted:I don't really get what the doom and gloom is over PDX employees securing good working conditions? Am I missing something? Paradox Interactive, parent company of Paradox Development, announced a new studio in Spain to be headed by Johan and seemingly getting the EU series spun off to it. The concern is that it was spun off to avoid paying union wages for EU development.
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Fellblade posted:I don't really get what the doom and gloom is over PDX employees securing good working conditions? Am I missing something? Some companies respond to paying more to their employees by moving to places where they don't have to do that.
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Jun 4, 2020 08:30
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Spain is not exactly a low wages country (any more), and Barcelona wages are way above average within Spain.
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Lotti Fuehrscheim posted:Spain is not exactly a low wages country (any more), and Barcelona wages are way above average within Spain. It's a low wages country for EU. I've worked in a company that worked for huge EU company that outsorced a lot of the work to us, guys from outside of EU. At some point they've decided to cut costs and moved their headquarters from a more wealthy country to Spain. In theory, they could buy out my company or other companies all over the world. But they explained to me that moving business inside of EU is comparatively easy and risk-free. So they cut a lot of old experienced professionals, some have relocated to Spain. I guess Spain is considered the most "civilized" of the cheap EU and the cheapest of "civilized" EU, I don't see people moving their business to Hungary or Bulgaria.
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We don't know why. I'm entirely happy to believe that after a decade or so of expansion, Paradox believed they've hit the limit of talent they can attract to Stockholm and want to set up a new office to widen their pool.
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I seem to recall the idea of some PDXCON being held in Barcelona at some point after the 2017 one so I'm gonna choose to believe it's Johan's favourite vacation spot and he just convinced Paradox to just let him work from there.
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Barcelona is really nice
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Look of given the choice to live in Stockholm or live on Barcelona, I'm going for Barcelona. The life rating is much higher there, makes attracting migration easier.
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I went to Barcelona once, at the height of the tourist season, after spending like two weeks hiking and camping in rural southern France. And it culture-shocked me out of liking Barcelona. Temperatures skyrocketed, all my friends just wanted to go sit on the packed beach shoulder-to-shoulder with everyone else, and the only good memory I have was some dish with crab legs and octopus. I really wanted to hear catalan spoken because I'm a total nerd who plays mapgames but other than the subway announcements apparently Barcelona speaks english, russian, and german in that order.
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Jun 4, 2020 13:49
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That sounds like every mainstream touristy city in the Med. See one and you've seen all of them for the most part.
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Johan was also a major stockholder at the PDX IPO and the stock has increased by 600 % since then, so I can understand if he wants enjoy his cash in southern europe, enjoy more than 2 weeks of summer and do his own thing in Barcelona.
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ilitarist posted:It's a low wages country for EU. I've worked in a company that worked for huge EU company that outsorced a lot of the work to us, guys from outside of EU. At some point they've decided to cut costs and moved their headquarters from a more wealthy country to Spain. In theory, they could buy out my company or other companies all over the world. But they explained to me that moving business inside of EU is comparatively easy and risk-free. So they cut a lot of old experienced professionals, some have relocated to Spain.
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Johan's twitter has been about him having moved to spain for months so this also isn't much of a surprise.
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It's gonna be interesting when EU5 releases and everyone realizes Iberia has been buffed to be as ahistorically powerful as EU4 Sweden, while EU5 Sweden is a shadow of its former self.
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Jun 4, 2020 15:00
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I hope Portugal can finally hold off Castile instead of just being BFFs
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A Buttery Pastry posted:It's gonna be interesting when EU5 releases and everyone realizes Iberia has been buffed to be as ahistorically powerful as EU4 Sweden, while EU5 Sweden is a shadow of its former self. A new Sweden-only random event where its brightest minds flee to Aragon. -50% monarch point generation for 1000 years
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A Buttery Pastry posted:It's gonna be interesting when EU5 releases and everyone realizes Iberia has been buffed to be as ahistorically powerful as EU4 Sweden, while EU5 Sweden is a shadow of its former self.
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Jun 4, 2020 15:20
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Only Aragon will get huge bonuses and only is they stay separate from Castile.
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Jun 4, 2020 16:21
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As a Catalan nation, we have many bonuses...
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Ethiser posted:Only Aragon will get huge bonuses and only is they stay separate from Castile. As a weirdo who loves playing Aragon I’m all for it
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:But Iberia is already insanely overpowered so this will be terrifying. Iberia isn't overpowered, North Africa is just disastrously underpowered and ahistorically welcoming to large armies.
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PittTheElder posted:Iberia isn't overpowered, North Africa is just disastrously underpowered and ahistorically welcoming to large armies.
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Don't forget Granada. Imagine Granada lasting against a player Castile to 1492. Imagine it lasting to 1492 against an AI Castile in more than 1/100 games. Hell imagine Portugal not being PU'd by a player Castile by 1492, or ever revolting from a PU with Spain. I've gotta stan Portugal for a second, they weren't just Castile's best pal forever, they were an active and ferocious opponent and should be able to compete with the shitshow that is Castile on the ground in 1444. Castile should be scared of Portugal invading them. And hell there should probably be an alternate Iberian Wedding where it's Castile and Portugal. Granada, the Maghreb, Portugal, Scotland, Ireland, and a whole lot of other places would really benefit from being able to actually fight defensively instead of what happens in EU4.
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Two things I'd really like to see fixed in a future title: armies marching across whole continents with unlimited reinforcements and every conflict ending up as a hellwar to the bitter end. I'm not really sure how you fix that problem though. Maybe with a more complicated supply model and the AI somehow understanding attrition?
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