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The Trial is a story about the guilt associated with the moral/ethical codes forced onto people by society, and how this morality/ethics doesn't need to be enforced by totalitarianism/bureaucracy, because it is ingrained into us. It presents a totalitarianism of morality. One of the sources of Josef K.'s guilt is his lust, and on the flip side of the coin, his lack of a 'standard' relationship. As mentioned, he is often presented with lust or the opportunity for love. The lawyer's secretary promises to protect him from the court (i.e. his symbolized guilt) if he will enter into a relationship with her. On the flip side, a woman he lusts after is physically removed from his presence by a representative of the court. May not be the best book to read if you are already suffering anxiety from sex/relationships.
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Not all authors of literature are horny! How appalling that people are searching for non-horny literature based on such a stereotype! *begins 2666* *sees Bolano sharing sexual performance stats for characters (that one "can screw for six hours") Oh...
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2666 also has a scene where three soldiers masturbate to the their commander having sex with a duchess and later when he is killed the display his naked body to the enemy so that they might know that all men of the army are true men who have big dicks like their dead commander I am also suprised the Europhiles in this forum havent read Peter Nadas
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Jun 4, 2020 16:21
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The guy who doesn't want a horny book should read The Kreutzer Sonata.
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Jun 4, 2020 16:32
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non horny guy should actually read Mishima, because although there is sex in there it has such blatant undertones of death every time that it mostly just makes you feel uneasy and weird, not horny at all (in my experience anyway)
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Jun 4, 2020 16:39
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what kind of weirdo doesnt always think about death when reading about sex
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Jun 4, 2020 16:40
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What I always used to do, as a straight, when I didn't want to read about romance, was read Mary Renault, because everyone in her books is gay as hell,
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Mel Mudkiper posted:2666 also has a scene where three soldiers masturbate to the their commander having sex with a duchess and later when he is killed the display his naked body to the enemy so that they might know that all men of the army are true men who have big dicks like their dead commander It also has a scene in prison where one guy is annoyed that his two cellmates keep loving/raping each other while he ruminates on how someone could possibly be turned on by a dude so ugly as that. It also has a scene where a woman dying of tuberculosis basically forces the guy she's curled up under the blankets with to gently caress her in the rear end while her family all are sleeping (but not actually sleeping) basically right next to them. it may seem like there is a lot of sex in 2666 at this point but there is SO MUCH going on in that book that it actually doesn't seem like there is much sex in it overall.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:What I always used to do, as a straight, when I didn't want to read about romance, was read Mary Renault, because everyone in her books is gay as hell, Regarding Bolano, I actually really liked Nazi Literature in the Americas but then I tried Savage Detectives and, well, didn't make it. anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Jun 4, 2020 |
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Jun 4, 2020 17:13
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nut posted:Does Steinbeck have horny? I read so long ago I dunno Not really, but you got people who will read horny into the ending of Grapes. anilEhilated posted:Good idea, I've only read Cyberiad, Solaris and some of his (rather generic) short stories. I guess he didn't occur to me because of the genre trappings. I know you're trying to branch out, but if you like genre and want to read more Lem, read Memoirs Found in a Bathtub. It's totalitarian state satire of the highest and funniest caliber.
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Jun 4, 2020 21:29
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Is Cormac McCarthy horny? I ask, yet hope I never learn the answer.
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Jun 5, 2020 00:23
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Carly Gay Dead Son posted:Is Cormac McCarthy horny? I ask, yet hope I never learn the answer. All the Pretty Horses gets a little horny, but sadly not in the way the title implies.
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Jun 5, 2020 00:31
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Quit being a loving child and read some horny literature.
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Jun 5, 2020 00:53
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PeterWeller posted:All the Pretty Horses gets a little horny, but sadly not in the way the title implies. Yeah, and even if it was horny in the way you hoped, it’d probably still be his least tragic and grotesque depiction of sex. Maybe besides the part in suttree about the melon fucker. That guy rules.
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Carly Gay Dead Son posted:Is Cormac McCarthy horny? I ask, yet hope I never learn the answer. read Child of God
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Eugene V. Dubstep posted:read Child of God I've read it, and it's exactly the book I had in my mind. I hate to think that's Cormac being horny because good lord. Not to kink-shame.
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Carly Gay Dead Son posted:I've read it, and it's exactly the book I had in my mind. I hate to think that's Cormac being horny because good lord. Not to kink-shame. he also wrote the screenplay for The Counselor, which opens with the line (iirc) 'you have the sweetest pussy in Christendom' and has Cameron Diaz loving a car
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Jun 5, 2020 01:47
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Doesn't that one guy in Of Mice and Men have his hand all lotioned up for horny reasons? I seem to remember my teacher in high school saying something like that, but I haven't read the book since then.
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Jun 5, 2020 06:46
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Anyways I'm listening to an audiobook of Ovid's Metamorphoses and I'm certain there's going to be no weird horny things whatsoever read to me by an old British man.
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Jun 5, 2020 06:56
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So, what's the horniest stuff that is still amazingly well written? I've read Tropic of Cancer and it's good and horny AF. And that one spanking scene in Savage Detectives is really something.
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Jun 5, 2020 09:10
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Bear.
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Jun 5, 2020 10:42
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Idaholy Roller posted:Bear.
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Cormac McCarthy is that nihilist chart with all the No's to everything but with a Horny? added in which is also No
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Jun 5, 2020 16:07
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Quit Reading Some Real Literature and gently caress a Bear
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Jun 5, 2020 16:49
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Carly Gay Dead Son posted:Is Cormac McCarthy horny? I ask, yet hope I never learn the answer. I lodge "no" here given that any hints of sexuality in his works I've read is directly and unmistakably sublimated into some theme of death and amorality and not pleasant at all. Not like Pynchon or Eco where there are heartfelt scenes of intimacy sidling with all the grand themes almost like humanity breaking through the intellectual clouds
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Nitevision posted:I lodge "no" here given that any hints of sexuality in his works I've read is directly and unmistakably sublimated into some theme of death and amorality and not pleasant at all. Not like Pynchon or Eco where there are heartfelt scenes of intimacy sidling with all the grand themes almost like humanity breaking through the intellectual clouds Agreed. The only "being" in McCarthy is in the "unto death" sense. Sex only drives that faster and harder, but it can't change the nature of being.
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Jun 6, 2020 03:44
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gimme some of the best literature by black americans
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derp posted:gimme some of the best literature by black americans Invisible Man - Ralph Waldo Ellison If Beale Street Could Talk - James Baldwin The Color Purple - Alice Walker Beloved - Toni Morrison Their Eyes Were Watching God - Zora Neale Hurston
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derp posted:gimme some of the best literature by black americans Seems like an impossibly broad request. Anything that can narrow it down?
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Jun 6, 2020 17:59
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Seems like an impossibly broad request. Anything that can narrow it down? my favorite authors right now are Sebald, Mishima, Shirley Jackson, are my current favs, and Krasznahorkai is becoming a fav. Something with that sort of dark, unsettling tone is what I'm into.
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Jun 6, 2020 18:08
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derp posted:gimme some of the best literature by black americans I like Giovanni's Room a lot. I don't think you can go wrong with anything by James Baldwin. I'd also like to find some more recent stuff from black writers, as in from this century. When I think of my favorites they're mostly all 40+ years old. I read part of White Teeth ages ago and liked it but put it down for some reason, so maybe I should finally finish that.
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Duck Rodgers posted:Invisible Man - Ralph Waldo Ellison thx i will check these out also completely unrelated but I just remembered a dream I had last night that I was banned from the forums. wtf is wrong with me.
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derp posted:my favorite authors right now are Sebald, Mishima, Shirley Jackson, are my current favs, and Krasznahorkai is becoming a fav. Something with that sort of dark, unsettling tone is what I'm into. The Sellout by Paul Beatty is all of that plus hilarious.
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Jun 6, 2020 18:12
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Helen DeWitt's Lightning Rods has a similar theme of "bizarre idea is taken seriously and gets way, way out of hand", so my brain puts it together with The Sellout. Both are great imo
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Jun 6, 2020 18:42
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derp posted:my favorite authors right now are Sebald, Mishima, Shirley Jackson, are my current favs, and Krasznahorkai is becoming a fav. Something with that sort of dark, unsettling tone is what I'm into. Dhalgren!
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Jun 6, 2020 18:43
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Kindred by Octavia Butler.
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Jun 6, 2020 18:50
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derp posted:gimme some of the best literature by black americans absolutely do not skip langston hughes
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Jun 6, 2020 21:23
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idk about his novels but his poetry is good
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Jun 6, 2020 21:24
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I miss back when I could name drop him as an obscure pick but dont sleep in Colson Whitehead. Personally I like The Intuitionist
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Cane by Jean Toomer
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