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Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


I take it there's no real in game map either? I just have to eye ball the map and wherever I'm standing?

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LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh
there are technically ingame maps but they are absolute hot garbage

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

Gabriel S. posted:

I take it there's no real in game map either? I just have to eye ball the map and wherever I'm standing?

Your best bet is the wiki maps and running with goons to learn the common spots/callouts.

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

InevitableCheese posted:

Do people like to pick on Arabian Dicks or has he really said anything outrageous that isn’t a simple game design disagreement

he likes to use a lag switch which is why its v funny hes upset about hatchet running "ruining" anything

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Stux posted:

he likes to use a lag switch which is why its v funny hes upset about hatchet running "ruining" anything

also he constantly bitches and moans about hatchet runners "emptying the map of good loot" before he can get to it and making it "impossible to get a good firefight" despite making his first 70mil laying down in the factory exit and shooting people coming to extract in the legs. he had hundreds of millions last wipe and could do whatever he wanted but judging by his posts in the last thread all he wanted to do was bitch about other people playing the game wrong and post exploits he found on cheating websites

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
That’s the kind of people who whine about hatchet runners

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE

Stux posted:

he likes to use a lag switch which is why its v funny hes upset about hatchet running "ruining" anything


Cup Runneth Over posted:

also he constantly bitches and moans about hatchet runners "emptying the map of good loot" before he can get to it and making it "impossible to get a good firefight" despite making his first 70mil laying down in the factory exit and shooting people coming to extract in the legs. he had hundreds of millions last wipe and could do whatever he wanted but judging by his posts in the last thread all he wanted to do was bitch about other people playing the game wrong and post exploits he found on cheating websites

these two got trashed in e arguments so they hate on me for exit camping and playing the game a way they don't like, and gotta lie to do it. kinda sad

hatchet running bad, changes good, thank god for based nikita fixing the game

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

exit camping is fine, cheating isnt

i vomit kittens
Apr 25, 2019


Pornographic Memory posted:

In theory all Scavs are on the same side, but in practice most player Scavs will shoot you on sight. If you want to signal you're friendly wiggle with Q and E but be ready to eat lead regardless. If you kill another Scav AI Scavs will turn hostile, by the way. There's no penalty for being a traitor to the Scav cause other than having more people shooting you.

Important to note that as of this patch killing another player scav no longer deems you a traitor. My strategy for this is to act like a bot around a scav I suspect of being a player until I see them do something that confirms it, then pop them.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Absolutely nothing is documented, none of the mechanics work consistently, and everything gets worse every patch.

Welcome to Tarkov.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Stux posted:

exit camping is fine, cheating isnt

exit camping is completely fine. posting constantly about how other people are playing the game wrong and making it unfun for you while making millions exit camping is hilarious and sad

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh
had a bad streak earlier, but tonight I had a string of really good runs on woods including outsniping 2 duos.
did jaeger's snack dropoff and also finished both shootout picnic and the kill 5 scavs without body armor all at the same time!

Rent-A-Cop posted:

Absolutely nothing is documented, none of the mechanics work consistently, and everything gets worse every patch.

Welcome to Tarkov.
this patch was good tho

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

Rent-A-Cop posted:

Absolutely nothing is documented, none of the mechanics work consistently, and everything gets worse every patch.

Welcome to Tarkov.

This is one of the first times they’ve made things significantly worse with a patch

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE

Cup Runneth Over posted:

posting constantly about how other people are playing the game wrong and making it unfun for you while making millions exit camping is hilarious and sad

they aren't playing the game wrong, i've said this like 6 times. don't hate the player hate the game.

the game shouldn't encourage people running in naked into maps, grabbing high value loot, teleporting it out of the map, and alt-f4ing to secure it

luckily everybody (including the devs) realized this and implemented changes that significantly nerfed this.

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh

hakimashou posted:

This is one of the first times they’ve made things significantly worse with a patch
reading this thread is like reading a weird inversion of the reactions everywhere else on the internet

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

IronicDongz posted:

reading this thread is like reading a weird inversion of the reactions everywhere else on the internet

You mean :reddit: right

InevitableCheese
Jul 10, 2015

quite a pickle you've got there
Idk, I’ve found the changes to be *difficult* in the Tarkov sense but fine. Hidden stashes have given me plenty of quest items, and scavs have often spawned for me with 300k keys or at least some decent ammo to sell on the flea. I played like a rat tonight and made 1.2 mil and got several quests done.

I feel like if you view the quests more as “challenges”, like dailies or something in other games it’s really not so bad. People thinking they need to get a quest done every raid are setting themselves up for disappointment.

My mindset is more “okay I need to keep an eye out for these”, or “if I get a good chance, make it over to this spot for the quest”.

This game is hard when compared to other games but in and of itself it’s really not so bad given the flea, hideout, and insurance.

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

IronicDongz posted:

reading this thread is like reading a weird inversion of the reactions everywhere else on the internet

yeah thats how you know the thread is right because its the opposite of whatever reddit is saying

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

its also insanely funny the guy who complained about people hoovering up loot has now found out the loot has been knocked down lower than what they were finding with hatchet runners lmao

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Stux posted:

its also insanely funny the guy who complained about people hoovering up loot has now found out the loot has been knocked down lower than what they were finding with hatchet runners lmao

but this time its actually good that he cant find anything b/c it means other people don't get to have it, which is what's important

InevitableCheese
Jul 10, 2015

quite a pickle you've got there
loving lol that when you dump your gear for insurance purposes and die it treats your out of raid health as if you were a hatchling. So the code checks not what you bring in, but what you take out.

“This game and it’s half-assed answers to hatchlings are choooooice.” Could be a summary of the last several patches.

InevitableCheese fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Jun 7, 2020

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


It's worse than that, I'm pretty sure if you are fully-geared but have your hatchet out when you die you end up with 1 health. I remember having that experience last patch

Umbreon
May 21, 2011

i vomit kittens posted:

Important to note that as of this patch killing another player scav no longer deems you a traitor. My strategy for this is to act like a bot around a scav I suspect of being a player until I see them do something that confirms it, then pop them.


Not true, they only changed it so that the victim of scav on scav violence is not flagged if they kill their attacker. Randomly killing a player scav who didn't shoot you first will still get you flagged. Proof below, this guy randomly opened fire on me and my friend, only managed to hit my friend, and then this happened:


https://streamable.com/g1zrlk

andyf
May 18, 2008

happy car is happy

Are the little micro-stutters caused by player scavs zoning into a raid, or unrelated?

causticBeet
Mar 2, 2010

BIG VINCE COMIN FOR YOU

andyf posted:

Are the little micro-stutters caused by player scavs zoning into a raid, or unrelated?

I think it’s one of the causes, but not the sole cause. A lot of the situations I get them in make me think it’s some weird LOD loading poo poo. Like coming over a hill to some new geometry/buildings, ADS’ing at a player who has just come into view, coming into view or range of other AI/Players, etc.

causticBeet fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Jun 7, 2020

Lemon
May 22, 2003

There is also a rumor that they happen each time a new type of ammo is fired in a raid.

fennesz
Dec 29, 2008

IronicDongz posted:

reading this thread is like reading a weird inversion of the reactions everywhere else on the internet

That's because most other goons are just playing the game and enjoying it.

Kikas
Oct 30, 2012

andyf posted:

Are the little micro-stutters caused by player scavs zoning into a raid, or unrelated?

I've had them fixed by going from 8Gb to 16Gb of RAM.


Wrt: AI Scav hostility

Scavs work in groups, and are only hostile within that group. So if as a Scav you wipe out scavs in the big red warehouse on Customs, the scavs at the gas stations won't shoot you. However the groups are unknown and you got no way to tell which is which, that example is the only one I have confirmed but my buddies had similar experiences with other groups.
I think Shoreline is hosed this patch, i keep getting disconnected every time I run it. I've also can't find anyone for the life of me there, it's insane.

Moonshine Rhyme
Mar 26, 2010

Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate

Kikas posted:

I've had them fixed by going from 8Gb to 16Gb of RAM.


Wrt: AI Scav hostility

Scavs work in groups, and are only hostile within that group. So if as a Scav you wipe out scavs in the big red warehouse on Customs, the scavs at the gas stations won't shoot you. However the groups are unknown and you got no way to tell which is which, that example is the only one I have confirmed but my buddies had similar experiences with other groups.
I think Shoreline is hosed this patch, i keep getting disconnected every time I run it. I've also can't find anyone for the life of me there, it's insane.

was that one of their changes? Because that is definitely not how it used to work

fennesz
Dec 29, 2008

Moonshine Rhyme posted:

was that one of their changes? Because that is definitely not how it used to work

That's always how it worked for me.

Shot two p scavs trying to kill our buddy last night on Reserve. An AI scav near me shot me. Across the map at white pawn I run into a bunch of AI and they're not hostile.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


Where do I go to play with goons?

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

killed another player scav on shoreline and got a FIR flash drive and gas analyzer off them thanks buddy

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

I think my big problem is that the realism in the raids just clashes so badly with all the goofy gamey poo poo outside the raid like quests, trader "loyalty", "find in raid" items, restricted flea access, janky stats on gear, etc.

Phobeste
Apr 9, 2006

never, like, count out Touchdown Tom, man

Stux posted:

killed another player scav on shoreline and got a FIR flash drive and gas analyzer off them thanks buddy

had a customs run where i killed a pmc who was level 3 and wearing a police ballcap (??) and felt kinda bad and then ran into another guy and killed him who had a gas an and felt REALLY bad (still turned it in though)

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Rent-A-Cop posted:

I think my big problem is that the realism in the raids just clashes so badly with all the goofy gamey poo poo outside the raid like quests, trader "loyalty", "find in raid" items, restricted flea access, janky stats on gear, etc.

yes, completely

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE

Stux posted:

its also insanely funny the guy who complained about people hoovering up loot has now found out the loot has been knocked down lower than what they were finding with hatchet runners lmao

i'm fine with them lowering high value loot locations and spreading it out, that is also a good change that hurts suicide hatchet runners :)

fennesz
Dec 29, 2008

Gabriel S. posted:

Where do I go to play with goons?

Join the goon discord. IIRC there is a link in the OP.

Oysters Autobio
Mar 13, 2017

Cup Runneth Over posted:

also he constantly bitches and moans about hatchet runners "emptying the map of good loot" before he can get to it and making it "impossible to get a good firefight" despite making his first 70mil laying down in the factory exit and shooting people coming to extract in the legs. he had hundreds of millions last wipe and could do whatever he wanted but judging by his posts in the last thread all he wanted to do was bitch about other people playing the game wrong and post exploits he found on cheating websites

Eh I'm gonna go out on a limb here and still agree with him on the hatchet runners. He's right that hatchet runners have always been a dumb meta to the game, and should have been weeded out patches ago.

However, extract camping is certainly worse than hatchet running so I guess I see your point about the stupid hypocrisy. Not sure however what you can do about extract camping because I don't think you can design a map that is extract camping proof.

Oysters Autobio fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Jun 7, 2020

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE

it's not hypocritical to abuse game mechanics and say they shouldn't be in the game, just fyi

likewise it's not hypocritical to hatchet run and say it shouldn't be in the game

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Wooper
Oct 16, 2006

Champion draGoon horse slayer. Making Lancers weep for their horsies since 2011. Viva Dickbutt.
Guys, you shouldn't be able to cheat in this multiplayer game :smug:

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