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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It's only the logical state for media to be in, given the way it works.

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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

thespaceinvader posted:

Owen Jones is probably the single most leftist voice in the mainstream media, which is utterly terrifying.

Even the likes of Ash Sarkar or Aaron bastani are only really invited on in occasional guest slots, and more radical leftist voices like AAV are just relegated to facebook shares and stuff.

The loving state of the media in this country.

So, and to be clear I'm not using this to defend media in our country, I have seen it stated that basically the people who are on shows regularly are because they're always available for them regardless of how last minute it is. Ash Sarkar gets invited on because she is good for viewer ratings and is hot. Brendan O'Neill is on everything because his life has absolutely nothing going on meaning all the shows know he is always available.

So when you see the same right wing talking heads it's because they have literally no life and can be relied upon for all shows

Marenghi
Oct 16, 2008

Don't trust the liberals,
they will betray you

XMNN posted:

with the slow death of linear television I wonder if these enormous spikes in demand are such a big thing anymore

although I suppose some people must still watch EastEnders live?

Dunno but I work in Telecoms and they were expecting everyone at home due to coronavirus would cause peak bandwidth hours to expand. We actually saw something different, the peak demand dropped because people's active hours spread out. No longer was everyone coming home and doing their heaviest internet usage in the evenings after work.

Lot of other interesting things we learnt in general from this. My job also hinted towards less international travel, seems a waste of time and money when inter company meetings have been going so well through zoom. And then the saved time and congestion from working from home. The way corporations operated now seems unnecessarily wasteful time wise, and not good for the climate either.

It's almost as though capitalism isn't the most efficient way of utilizing resources.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
lol an account with 14k followers just beat JKR's but but if sex isn't real tweet for likes
https://twitter.com/insignificuntxX/status/1269650915033853956

bornbytheriver
Apr 23, 2010
https://twitter.com/Vanessa_Kisuule/status/1270011146544783361

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Marenghi posted:

Dunno but I work in Telecoms and they were expecting everyone at home due to coronavirus would cause peak bandwidth hours to expand. We actually saw something different, the peak demand dropped because people's active hours spread out. No longer was everyone coming home and doing their heaviest internet usage in the evenings after work.

Lot of other interesting things we learnt in general from this. My job also hinted towards less international travel, seems a waste of time and money when inter company meetings have been going so well through zoom. And then the saved time and congestion from working from home. The way corporations operated now seems unnecessarily wasteful time wise, and not good for the climate either.

It's almost as though capitalism isn't the most efficient way of utilizing resources.

Same, all travel in my 150k employee company is kyboshed for 2020. Apparently we can go back to the office a bit in late August (30% capacity), but I don't fancy it myself. I don't think there's been any real loss of productivity, some people are going mad though.

minema
May 31, 2011
Physio twitter continues to talk about how white and middle class physio is a profession and how we can change it, with like 800 tweets about it in an hour this evening. Seems like the leading voices are going to hold the CSP (physio union/registry body) to what they're saying too, lots of "this statement is a start but we want to see real action soon" rather than just applauding lip service tweets. I've not seen any idiots talking about "all lives matter" or any racist poo poo, and everyone does seem to be listening to peoples experiences. I really hope it kickstarts something and we can carry it on. Definitely made me more determined to call out any casual racism or microaggressions when I qualify next month.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
Can someone explain to me what JK Rowling's tweet was even going on about? I read it but I couldn't understand how she phrased anything.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

punk rebel ecks posted:

Can someone explain to me what JK Rowling's tweet was even going on about? I read it but I couldn't understand how she phrased anything.

I found this summary on twitter which might help. as someone with experience of internet bigots i can confirm rowling's speaking the exact dogwhistle language of the mumsnet terf set. who she follows.

https://twitter.com/MetteBundvad/status/1269715100165947392

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
I'm so glad that I'm not a fan of Harry Potter.

minema
May 31, 2011
why do TERFs base their definition of gender on the amount of oppression experienced, it makes me deeply uncomfortable that to be a """woman""" in their eyes you must have suffered.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Jose posted:

So, and to be clear I'm not using this to defend media in our country, I have seen it stated that basically the people who are on shows regularly are because they're always available for them regardless of how last minute it is. Ash Sarkar gets invited on because she is good for viewer ratings and is hot. Brendan O'Neill is on everything because his life has absolutely nothing going on meaning all the shows know he is always available.

So when you see the same right wing talking heads it's because they have literally no life and can be relied upon for all shows

I forget who posted it, but there was an article from someone at the BBC explaining its commitment to "diversity", and it basically came down to creating an identity matrix. They'd have a whiteboard with things like "white, BAME, gay, straight, female, male, left-wing, right-wing" and so on, and they'd plot that against their list of guests and mark which boxes each one ticked.

They had to get a guest list where each one of those things was represented, and if someone dropped out they'd get someone else - who usually didn't tick the same boxes, so they'd end up changing all the other guests just to find a new combination (seems like they minded more about certain identities getting too much representation than others)

So people who check a lot of those boxes pop up a lot, because they slot into that system pretty well and act as an easy grab bag. Young tory leave voting male spouting alt-right garbage covers a lot of bases




owns

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I assume he also gets trotted out a lot because look at t'northern lad who like t'ories.

Marenghi
Oct 16, 2008

Don't trust the liberals,
they will betray you

Failed Imagineer posted:

Same, all travel in my 150k employee company is kyboshed for 2020. Apparently we can go back to the office a bit in late August (30% capacity), but I don't fancy it myself. I don't think there's been any real loss of productivity, some people are going mad though.

I'm loving it. I've taking up art and woodcrafts. And seeing so much more of my children. The office is opening in August at reduced capacity but I'm hoping to WFH until the years over.

There's definitely a split between how people are handling it. Some like myself enjoying the extra time and lower stress. Others are climbing up the walls going mad. I think the second type are the ones going to IKEA or Pennys on opening day to queue for hours just to shop. It's like their whole being is so subsumed by capitalism that they cannot function without the ability to be consumers.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Amazon's still running if they're that desperate to funnel their money to cunts.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Marenghi posted:

I'm loving it. I've taking up art and woodcrafts. And seeing so much more of my children. The office is opening in August at reduced capacity but I'm hoping to WFH until the years over.

There's definitely a split between how people are handling it. Some like myself enjoying the extra time and lower stress. Others are climbing up the walls going mad. I think the second type are the ones going to IKEA or Pennys on opening day to queue for hours just to shop. It's like their whole being is so subsumed by capitalism that they cannot function without the ability to be consumers.

Friend in London is an essential worker and has to go into the office 2 days a week and WFH the rest. She's never had any problem occupying herself at home (she and I could 'Potter About for Grate Britane' if there was Olympic sport of pottering about the house all day). She said some of the furloughed - including those who live with friends or family - are absolutely begging to come into the office because they are so bored at home.

Meanwhile in Bad Takes on History Chat:

https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1270057064832917506?s=20



I was working for an alarm company when the Brixton riots were on. We (the company - us plebs never saw any bonuses) were absolutely coining it with the callout fees to the alarms going off all night.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!



Marenghi posted:

I'm loving it. I've taking up art and woodcrafts. And seeing so much more of my children. The office is opening in August at reduced capacity but I'm hoping to WFH until the years over.

There's definitely a split between how people are handling it. Some like myself enjoying the extra time and lower stress. Others are climbing up the walls going mad. I think the second type are the ones going to IKEA or Pennys on opening day to queue for hours just to shop. It's like their whole being is so subsumed by capitalism that they cannot function without the ability to be consumers.

Woodcrafts sounds like a brilliant thing to pick up - I'm a huge fan of the whole 'shopwork as soulcraft' theory - so much of what a lot of us do is moving numbers around on a machine that producing something physical has great mental value. I've used lockdown to do a bit of homebrewing, and write a really basic article about my experiences - I'd recommend it to anyone who's looking for something 'productive' to do with their time.

And although it wasn't known when I wrote the article - the beer turned out great.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I'm definitely going to pillage the forest for some more sticks and maybe invest in a sanding sponge.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

OwlFancier posted:

I assume he also gets trotted out a lot because look at t'northern lad who like t'ories.

oh for sure, forgot about that one

also people fined by the electoral commission

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Red Oktober posted:

Woodcrafts sounds like a brilliant thing to pick up - I'm a huge fan of the whole 'shopwork as soulcraft' theory - so much of what a lot of us do is moving numbers around on a machine that producing something physical has great mental value. I've used lockdown to do a bit of homebrewing, and write a really basic article about my experiences - I'd recommend it to anyone who's looking for something 'productive' to do with their time.

And although it wasn't known when I wrote the article - the beer turned out great.

Woodcraft is a hearty rec from me as well, and I can recommend a goldmine of youtube channels about it from the msot basic to the incredibly complex.

But.

It does require a LOT of resources in tools, space, and materials. It's relatively easy to get a start in, but you will quickly find yourself getting frustrated by the lack of more advanced tools if you're not careful, and it DEFINITELY needs to be done in a different space from your living one if you're doing any sanding or sawing, it's very dusty.

I'd personally suggest to people who can't meet that space and resource requirement, a lower-resource and less-space-and-dust-intensive thing like prop making with foam, or crochet/knitting.

I've found it intensely difficult to be creative over the past few months, sadly, my creative brain just doesn't want to touch anything :(

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

Guavanaut posted:

Yeah, I think 'modern slavery' works well to distinguish itself from chattel slavery, with all the implications that while the slaves aren't legally property, the authorities of austerity stripped states not being able to do anything about that past "we condemn all forms of slavery" leaving the slaves in functionally the same position.

I think 'legal slavery' as it's own term makes more sense. If only to stop some pedant saying 'oh it's not technically slavery' about some sex-trafficked woman that can't speak english and has had their passport stolen and is systemically being used as a human product with zero recompense beyond basic survival needs and coincidentally has also been introduced to drugs by her abusers hmm yeah are we going to say that isn't functionally a slave? Or are we gonna pretend that the economic, sexist, nationalistic and racist power structures that also exist coincidentally just happened to create a functional slave class that is magically not slavery just because the legal structure wasn't involved (and also please ignore systemic failures of policing including that 90% of exposed prostution rings in the UK have had local police officers on the client list)?

Slavery being only 'explicity legally sanctioned' is dumb as gently caress just call that 'legal slavery' don't pretend a woman literally locked in a basement with no bank account, passport or interaction outside the household isn't a slave.

Vitamin P fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Jun 9, 2020

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

https://twitter.com/witzhappening/status/1269988464243683328

Beginning to think the sea might be a comrade.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Vitamin P posted:

I think 'legal slavery' as it's own term makes more sense.
Same difference I guess, a chattel is a movable property under law. Modern slaves aren't property under law, but the law doesn't care to investigate so it doesn't matter.

The only edge case between the two is that prisoners in the US can legally be slaves but they can't legally be property because ~constitution noises~ which makes gently caress all difference in reality.

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid
I think the thing that pisses me off most about starmers horse poo poo response to the colston thing is his complete failure to recognise that there have been attempts to remove it/annotate it democratically which failed, or condemn the people responsible for that process failing, or to suggest that maybe we should do something about the other bad statues (before someone does something about them unilaterally)

which you'd think he would if he was genuinely angry about us having statues of slavers in 21st century Britain, rather than thinking it's just not very polite





completely unrelated, but I read it and thought it was interesting so now I'm posting it:

the Wikipedia picture of the day is the nuclear icebreaker lenin

apparently when they needed to change the reactors it was too dangerous to disassemble them in case all the radiation escaped and made an army of supervillains so they sawed most of the way round the old reactors (and quite a lot of the bottom of the ship), blew the rest of it off with explosives, then just buried them where they ended up


some dodgy looking russian site via Google translate posted:

Unloading of the OK-150 nuclear installation from the Lenin icebreaker

A.G. Amosov, a leading specialist at the Central Design Bureau Iceberg

Yu.M. Erykalov, responsible contractor for monitoring and control systems at the Lenin atomic icebreaker from the
Zvezdochka engineering enterprise. Honorary shipbuilder.

In 1966, during the preparation of the atomic icebreaker Lenin for the next navigation, a leak was discovered in the reactor vessel No. 1, which was impossible to eliminate without replacing the reactor. Replacing the housing was associated with a violation of the sealing of the 1st circuit. Dismantling was to be carried out in a difficult radiation environment.

Considering that the experimental nuclear installation used on the icebreaker corresponded to the level of scientific knowledge and technical capabilities of the domestic industry of the fifties, that over the elapsed time since the construction of the icebreaker, experience was gained in operating nuclear plants at the Lenin icebreaker, submarines and ground power plants, as advised The USSR Ministry of Secondary Engineering, the USSR Ministry of Shipbuilding Industry and the USSR Ministry of Marine Fleet, Decree No. 148-62 of February 18, 1967, adopted a decision on the complete replacement of the OK-150 nuclear installation with an OK-900 type installation, the technical design of which was developed for Arctic type icebreakers.



It was necessary to remove the existing OK-150 nuclear installation from the icebreaker’s body in compliance with radiation safety conditions, design and manufacture a new economical, reliable and serviceable nuclear installation, to place this new installation with the systems and equipment serving it in the icebreaker’s free compartment, to ensure acceptable stability characteristics , unsinkability and precipitation of the icebreaker when installing additional funds.

The development of a project to remove the existing OK-150 nuclear plant from the icebreaker’s hull with the observance of radiation safety conditions was entrusted to the Iceberg Central Design Bureau, with the Admiralteysky Zavod to perform the project.

The generally accepted dismantling of equipment was unacceptable due to the severe radiation environment that occurs when opening the contours of a nuclear steam production plant, which are highly contaminated over a six-year operation. About 6500 people would receive the maximum permissible annual exposure rate.

Minister of Shipbuilding Industry of the USSR B.E. Butoma proposed to develop a method for the aggregate removal of the entire nuclear power plant assembly, without violating its sealing.

The large weight of the nuclear installation with biological protection did not allow it to be removed through the deck upward or across the board to the shore or a watercraft. Therefore, for development, removal through the bottom was adopted. At the same time, the desirability of unloading, together with the nuclear steam production installation, of those structures and equipment that had operational radioactive contamination and could not be used in the layout solutions of the new nuclear installation, was taken into account.

To the compartment of the nuclear installation were connected the premises of the reactor control and protection system, the rooms of heat control sensors and bank pumps and part of the bottom with the active water tanks located in them. The weight of the unloaded complex reached 3,700 tons.

This option is based on the possibility of instantly disconnecting the compartment from the icebreaker hull by detonating the cumulative charges installed on the power bulkheads.

The most crucial moment was the stage preceding the detonation of charges, because the compartment was held in the casing by four bulkhead bridges with a height of about 2.3 meters each. If there were internal cracks in at least one of the lintels, their strength could be impaired and the compartment weighing 3,700 tons would become wedged in the icebreaker’s hull due to skew. A similar thing could happen if the cumulative charge fails. Therefore, upper and lower supports were provided that prevent the skewing of the compartment, a special trigger device that guides the compartment when it leaves the case, and for the simultaneous operation of all cumulative charges, each fuse was provided with several power circuits. Such constructive measures insured against possible accidents causing emergency situations, and provided a compartment exit from the icebreaker’s hull. The project provided for the constant presence of a crew at all stages of dismantling operations with ensuring normal living conditions laid down during the construction of the icebreaker. Therefore, systems, pipelines, electric cables and other devices that ensure the ship's unsinkability and its habitability and passing through the central compartment were restored by laying in the on-board premises not affected by dismantling.

The kinematics of the compartment’s movement as it exits the icebreaker’s hull was investigated on a model at a scale of 1:50 in the basin of the Central Scientific Research Institute named after A.N. Krylova.

The effect of cumulative charges was tested at the Military Engineering Academy. F.E. Dzerzhinsky and at the Central Research Institute of Metallurgy and Welding of the Ministry of Shipbuilding Industry of the USSR on natural samples of steel 36 mm thick and on mock-ups on a scale of 1: 5. To comply with the strict priority order of work, Iceberg Central Design Bureau with the participation of the Admiralty Plant developed a technological instruction taking into account the rules of radiation safety engineering and issued working drawings.
The developed unloading project was reviewed and approved by the USSR Ministry of Shipbuilding Industry.

The work was carried out in 5 stages.

Stage 1 - preparatory work

to disconnect the paged compartment from the icebreaker’s hull when it is parked at the coastal base in the city of Murmansk.

Stage 2 - towing an icebreaker to the place of discharge of the compartment into the burial area (Tsivolki Bay, Novaya Zemlya, 58 ° 50 'east longitude, 74 ° 24' north latitude).

Stage 3 - work on an icebreaker in the area of ​​unloading the compartment - underwater electrical cutting of the bottom of the bulkheads by divers, remote gas cutting of the lower bulkheads by cumulative charges and unloading the compartment with its simultaneous burial at sea.

Stage 4 - reverse towing of the icebreaker to the city of Murmansk, accompanied by ships of the Northern Fleet.

Stage 5 - docking the icebreaker for the installation of new bottom sections.

In addition to the Admiralty Plant, representatives of the Military Engineering Academy named after F.E. Dzerzhinsky, crew of the atomic icebreaker "Lenin", designers of the Central Design Bureau "Iceberg".

The dismantling of the 3rd stage in the area of ​​unloading of the compartment continued from September 8 to 19, 1967.



The part of the bottom to be removed together with the nuclear installation was disconnected from the icebreaker’s hull by divers using a “gazebo” wound under the icebreaker’s hull.

Underwater electrical cutting of the bottom cladding with a perimeter of about 60 meters was performed for two days. Then the cut was sealed with foam rubber with a tarp, which allowed pumping water from the central compartment and proceed with cutting the power bulkheads.

The middle sections of the power longitudinal bulkheads with a thickness of 36 to 52 mm were cut manually, then using the remote device, the lower sections. After remote cutting, the discharged complex was held by the upper sections of the four power bulkheads, which were to be undermined by cumulative charges.

When performing bulkhead cutting operations, the icebreaker was located above the burial place of the compartment.

Work on the manufacture, installation on an icebreaker and the detonation of cumulative charges were carried out by representatives of the Military Engineering Academy. F.E. Dzerzhinsky. The charges were a metal tube with a diameter of about 36 mm, stuffed with explosives. On the canvas of each of the 4 bulkheads mounted charge 2300 mm long. In addition, charges of 1,100 mm in length were installed on four knits, which secured the compartment in a horizontal plane.

Arrangement of vessels before unloading the compartment at the place of its burial: in the middle is the Lenin icebreaker, before the icebreaker - the Lepse floating base, along the stern of the icebreaker - the Altai-1 rescue vessel.

Electric towing cables were laid on board the icebreaker along the tow cable from the Lepse floating base.

The production personnel and personnel of the icebreaker, free of shifts and emergency schedules, were transferred to the Lepse floating base.

After undermining the charges, the moment of which was determined by the sound of the explosion, after 2-3 seconds the compartment began to move downward, leaving the icebreaker's hull. The icebreaker "Lenin" smoothly surfaced with a rapidly decaying amplitude of vertical rolling. The splash of water onto the deck was negligible. The backup diesel generator continued to operate, providing electricity to the respective consumers.

September 19, 1967 at 22 hours 27 minutes the nuclear installation 0K-I50 was removed from the icebreaker through its bottom and buried in a given area at a depth of 50 meters.

The reverse towage of the icebreaker in the city of Murmansk was carried out with the bottom cut out (12x13 m). Outboard water, located in the central compartment of the icebreaker, had a strong hydrodynamic effect on the watertight bulkheads. Therefore, the towing speed was limited to 9 knots. The absence of seawater filtration was monitored by emergency parties.

September 26, 1967 "Lenin" arrived in Murmansk, October 5 became a dock. To restore the bottom, the Iceberg Central Design Bureau and the Admiralty Plant used an original technological system: a new section made according to the size of the cutout in the bottom was towed from the place of assembly to the floating dock and installed on the keel track, the dock was melted to the required depth, and the icebreaker located in the dock with a bottom cutout just above the section.

When the dock surfaced, the new section entered the cutout of the bottom of the icebreaker, after which it was welded with the main body.

Work on the restoration of the bottom and installation of overboard reinforcement under the new modernization project was completed on November 20, 1967.

The developed and implemented project for the aggregate unloading of the block of the OK-150 nuclear power plant on the Lenin icebreaker without breaking the compartment’s seal, with a launch weight of 3,700 tons and directly in the burial area is a project unique in scope and engineering courage, clear in execution, completed for the first time in practice world shipbuilding.

It allowed to reduce radiation exposure of specialists, to reduce the time for the first stage of the replacement of a nuclear installation, to reduce the cost of dismantling the installation.

got to admit when I read the Wikipedia description, I was picturing something a bit more wile e coyote/Basque space program, like blasting them up into the sky and then chasing them with a barge full of concrete to tip on them

quote:

subsequently, all three reactors were removed by blowing them off the ship with shaped charges above a burial site off Novaya Zemlya

although it's still fairly wile e coyote

e: sorry for the long article, but the website was full of p intrusive ads telling me about Ekaterina who is 21 km from me and wants to meet up, so I thought it was probably best to not make people go to it

also dumping toxic waste at the bottom of the harbour is actually very in right now, so I've decided this isn't a complete nonsequitur after all

XMNN fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Jun 9, 2020

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1270090014395977728

The Master Race, ladies and gentlemen!

(Also sure glad that the US Gov is going to protect us from all those Antifa)

A big flaming stink
Apr 26, 2010
https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1270150668276375552

:sickos: :sickos: :sickos:

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I sometimes wonder what it must be like to create things without first believing in the death of the author.

Because the only way to look at art, ideas, all that poo poo, that makes sense IMO, is to understand that the minute somebody else reads and accesses the concepts you put out, it stops being yours. The thing in their head is not the thing that you wrote down, and it's definitely not the thing that was in your head when you were writing it. The process of exposure to a work (and creating the work) is a process of transformation that fundamentally breaks the link between author and work, and work and reader, if you could even argue there was a link to begin with. Rather the perceived link is constructed afterwards by the reader, and is a form of parasocial relationship not intrinsic to the work.

Which is all an overly covoluted way of saying that I really, really enjoy when dickheads realise that their personal fame and fortune is not the ontological anchor for the thing that got them there. And they themselves are entirely irrelevant compared to their works, and their works belong to each individual person who interprets them and to the communities they create based around doing that, and nothing they do or say can take it back from them.

You can entirely cut JK Rowling out of harry potter, what the work is is not contingent on her blessing, and I think she really struggles to understand that, and the more she opens her gob the more we're gonna see it break her loving brain in half and I'm here for it.

Trying
Sep 26, 2019

Yer a bigot Harr


Oh, you've ruined my joke

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Harry Potter is poo poo independently of Rowling though

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I mean yeah but some people still read it and it means something to them, and not all of them are assholes.

A lot of people also went on to make further transformative works based off it and form communities which I am willing to bet are much better than the source material, at least in some ways.

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Jose posted:

So, and to be clear I'm not using this to defend media in our country, I have seen it stated that basically the people who are on shows regularly are because they're always available for them regardless of how last minute it is. Ash Sarkar gets invited on because she is good for viewer ratings and is hot. Brendan O'Neill is on everything because his life has absolutely nothing going on meaning all the shows know he is always available.

So when you see the same right wing talking heads it's because they have literally no life and can be relied upon for all shows

This was making the rounds recently: https://www.the-fence.com/issues/issue-3/politics-off-grid

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



OwlFancier posted:

I mean yeah but some people still read it and it means something to them, and not all of them are assholes.

A lot of people also went on to make further transformative works based off it and form communities which I am willing to bet are much better than the source material, at least in some ways.

One of my best friends had a really rough childhood and has told me that at times Harry Potter was quite literally what got her through it, both in the form of escapism and because it was showing her like, love and better relationships than she had and stuff. Harry Potter might therefore be liberal garbage taken as a whole, but it's also deeply meaningful and powerful for a lot of people outside of that, and as you say a great deal of that has no doubt been on the back of transformative works in the realm of fanfiction etc..

If the author is not dead, it is our duty to kill them.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Exactly, and Rowling didn't make those communities and stories, the people who were part of them did. Cos god loving knows there's not enough depth in harry potter to make a decent story out of canonical parts.

Kill you are authors and seize the means of meaning production.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Though I confess that as an author I hope there's some ability to convey what was in my head into other people's heads, but I fully agree with the thrust of your posts on the subject.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Oh yeah there's like, clearly a causitive relationship (sometimes, possibly less so in the case of what rowling thinks potter is and what potter actually is :v:) between the author and their work and their interpretations by readers, but it's not a constant link that can be updated. Again even though rowling keeps trying. What's written is written and what people think is what they think and if you done hosed up with what you wrote and people think something other than what you intended, well, tough poo poo, it's done now and you can't undo it.

It's like a platonic cave shadow kinda thing. Whereas Rowling I think likes to pretend the shadow is the thing, is the person holding it in front of the fire as long as all those things fit her self image (and makes her money), and has a pretty tense relationship with people who argue that the thing is pretty dogshit, the person holding it doubly so, and the shadows are only any good because of pareidolia.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Jun 9, 2020

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
If the transatlantic slave trade was legal and continuing today and had some basis of support among the voters, can you imagine the knots Starmer would be tying himself in right now trying to avoid condemning it lol.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
"The Labour Party is issuing today a firm, principled call for slave traders to show greater compassion."

Filboid Studge
Oct 1, 2010
And while they debated the matter among themselves, Conradin made himself another piece of toast.

From the top of the page- how the gently caress did Jamie Bryson get a Twitter blue tick? The wee scrote who hid from the cops in his ‘pastor’s’ attic and went on a hunger strike that lasted just under two hours?

On behalf of my people I apologise for him and for David Vance


eta: also, not to rehash but I’m having a really hard time justifying continuing to be a Labour member, how about you guys?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I'm not doing it cos they represent me, I'm doing it because they're an obstacle and will continue to be unless there is a left wing leader. For all the good the protests have done, any change is still likely to discharge through the current political system, so I'm quite content telling everyone that starmer is a useless sack of poo poo and they don't have to vote for him if they don't want to but continuing to use my internal vote to cause as much damage for his wing of the party as possible.

If you've got a plan to render the british electoral process and the miserable sacks of poo poo that thrive in it irrelevant then I'd love nothing better but I don't think we're there yet. And the last thing I want is these idiots acting as a lightning rod for actually useful political energy.

The last time everyone quit labour it ended up with blair so as cathartic as it might be it doesn't seem like a good idea. Besides what is being working class if not being accustomed to wading through poo poo?

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Jun 9, 2020

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CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

Pistol_Pete posted:

"The Labour Party is issuing today a firm, principled call for slave traders to show greater compassion."

"We are disappointed in the actions of slave traders, and will be holding them to account with a 5-point Plan For Change. 1) Equal treatment of white and black slaves ..."

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