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kingturnip posted:If at least 21k people have liked that insipid piece of poo poo tweet, I think it's clear Labour is using Twitter bots as well It’s cringeworthy for sure. Would it have been better to not do it? Because a politician kneeling down in support is probably good just as a thing, even with a lot of qualifiers attached.
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Jose posted:litearlly none of the people being racist in the report have suffered any kind of punishment the loving cheek to claim he at least have the honesty to say "some of those opposing anti-black racism, as long as they're not too rude about it and take their grievances through the proper channels even if they've already been trying that for years and not achieved anything" like he'll probably have the gall to praise any actual positive outcome of this moment in history without reflecting on how we actually got there. e.g. if the statue of rhodes comes down, or the review by labour councils of their statues brings anything down, that will be great because it was done properly, but the fact that nothing has been done about them for decades until someone ripped that first piece of poo poo off his plinth themselves will obviously never be credited to the people doing it who were 100% totally wrong
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Jose posted:litearlly none of the people being racist in the report have suffered any kind of punishment Whoa the Sapphire & Steel reboot looks creepy as gently caress
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I'll wager that This is bad news for Jeremy Corbyn. Jose posted:someone put him in a blender ffs Yes lol, but I don't remember Blair specifically dunking that policy because it would actually fit in with his politics - make it national infrastructure like water and rail to help small businesses (and then privatise it again to help large ones).
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forkboy84 posted:Imagine if Graham Linehan's reaction to being questioned on lovely thing in his old shows was as reasonable as Matt Lucas's here? Okay, I don't think black face was actually acceptable when this show was on either, but at least he's not gotten completely broken by the mild criticism.
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https://twitter.com/SimonClarkeMP/status/1270414663965081600 wow if they change the name of this university building because the people at the university don't like it then they'll obliterate gladstone's memory from history, just *poof* and it's suddenly "william ewart who?" tragic e: also, this is another example of someone people might not know was an utter piece of poo poo and now people are learning more about him. You'd think the people with such a hard on for history would be pretty excited about that! XMNN fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Jun 9, 2020 |
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XMNN posted:https://twitter.com/SimonClarkeMP/status/1270414663965081600 https://twitter.com/paul_tyndale/status/1270416824379879429 I literally burst out laughing. God gammons are so loving fragile it's absurd.
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Lobster God posted:https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1270415086792966146?s=19 These are great. The more of them I see though, the more I worry that the response in a month to requests for defunding of the police, refunding of social programmes, housing etc, and general removal of racist bullshit from the system will be 'but we took down the statues that killed racism what more do you want'.
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OwlFancier posted:https://twitter.com/paul_tyndale/status/1270416824379879429 This is perfection. I want to kiss this tweet it's so good. Cannot tell if it's real or parody.
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So a friend of mine who works in non-essential retail was told to go back to work this week, having been on furlough on 80% salary for months. This relaxation of the lockdown is just loving excellent from this government innit? The buses and trains and the tube are like 50% full of people, likewise all the non-essential retail. This is more than enough to ensure that all of the workers will definitely get the coronavirus, while at the same time being nowhere near enough to make sure companies that need those shoppers can actually remain solvent. Like, I can't even imagine a worse loving policy than this poo poo. Could you even do worse than this if you tried? While half of the population is both able and willing to stay the gently caress home, the other half isn't, so you kinda need the government to actually do something to coordinate this poo poo or else you just end up with a million dead and also at the same time all the companies bankrupt and the economy in loving ashes.
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thespaceinvader posted:These are great. p sure we have less riot-capable cops than individual US states so it'll be super funny when the furlough scheme stops being enough for the majority to live on, nobody goes back to work, and the tories try "piss off" again jaete posted:While half of the population is both able and willing to stay the gently caress home, the other half isn't, so you kinda need the government to actually do something to coordinate this poo poo or else you just end up with a million dead and also at the same time all the companies bankrupt and the economy in loving ashes. 25% of kids have returned to school, as the guardian put it. 75% have not, as you or I understand it. There is absolutely no appetite to return to "the economy" and the media constantly flipping between "we're all probably immune" and "you will all die" has done enormous psychological damage to our relationship with the state. When the numbers explode in a fortnight, people are not going to work and nobody will make them. The government are doing reasonably well at laying the groundwork for "it's all the fault of these an teefa typhoid talibans" but we'll see how that goes. Spangly A fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Jun 9, 2020 |
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Necrothatcher posted:So are they going to get that Rhodes statue down then? Seems a bit trickier than Colston. Too high, a result of his desire to have himself placed literally above King and Church. Relatedly, the Beeb have somehow failed to mention his commitment to anti-racism criticism: 
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Jun 9, 2020 19:30
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But if we pull down all the statues of 19th century imperialist slavers what on Earth do we put up instead? A statue of a teacher or postman?! It’s madness beyond belief
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I'm sure there's various mixtures of chemicals than can destroy stone either quickly or rapidly. Going to be interesting to see what will take the place on these various plinths - I liked the idea posted earlier ITT about a protester. Probably just end up statues of NHS heroes in full PPE of course.
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Most things that attack stone I think would have to be stuff you can't store in glass bottles, which is usually rather nasty chemistry and also difficult because of course you can't use any glassware. Depends on the stone of course, but anything designed to stay in the open outside is likely to be fairly acid resistant.
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OwlFancier posted:Most things that attack stone I think would have to be stuff you can't store in glass bottles, which is usually rather nasty chemistry and also difficult because of course you can't use any glassware. Hmm, what about just defacing the statue noticeably? Could maybe get away with a much smaller dose of nasty stuff? Is there any chemical that dyes stone red? Asking, uh, for a friend
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Hydrofluoric acid I think is the most common silica attacking compound but you'd probably need to dunk the statue in a giant vat of it for a while rather than just pour it on. Dye is harder because you'd either need to get it into the pores in the stone (which means it can be washed out again) or you'd need to actually convert the stone into another, coloured substance, like I dunno, some sort of transition metal/silica compound? Like I'm not a chemist but IMO the likelihood of having a magic chemical that just converts or dissolves stone into something else in small quantities seems pretty low, otherwise it'd probably have industrial uses already. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Jun 9, 2020 |
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https://twitter.com/SimonClarkeMP/status/1270326461422088194 Ah, that famous 1,200 year old nation-state... England (not a state)... The United Kingdom (neither a nation nor 1,200 years old)... Great Britain (none of the above). gently caress me they don't even know what it is they're supposedly governing. Jel Shaker posted:But if we pull down all the statues of 19th century imperialist slavers what on Earth do we put up instead? A statue of a teacher or postman?! It’s madness beyond belief Like if you can't find one Civil Rights leader (Bristol had at least half a dozen from the bus boycotts), inventor (Bristol had Vernon Charley who invented Ribena, or Sir Alfred Pugsley who made the Spitfire structural profile if you want to get all  ), or decent poet (Hannah More was an abolitionist writer) to take the place of the rich guys that owned people statue, then you're basically admitting you're a cultural void.justcola posted:I'm sure there's various mixtures of chemicals than can destroy stone either quickly or rapidly.
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Gossip time, but Natalie Rowe is making noises about revealing who "Mr Twist" from her autobiography is: https://twitter.com/RealNatalieRowe/status/1270402225156866061 https://twitter.com/RealNatalieRowe/status/1270421736027295751 Note that she's done this before, teasing that she'll reveal who he is, but this time she's offered some rather more specific hints (in particular that he's knighted and a media owner rather than just a media figure) than last time that also exclude a couple of the most-guessed suspects from previous teases (including mine), so it's possible that she might be serious this time.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Gossip time, but Natalie Rowe is making noises about revealing who "Mr Twist" from her autobiography is: Um is she suggesting it’s George Floyd?
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OwlFancier posted:https://twitter.com/paul_tyndale/status/1270416824379879429 lol also this led me onto something that I'm not sure about (via a gammon tweet claiming the police horse that brained the animal riding it on a traffic light, had died) https://twitter.com/ThinBluePaw/status/1270106779784003584 https://twitter.com/K9Finn/status/1270415903780372486 https://twitter.com/K9Finn/status/1270414240176898048 on the one hand, I'm obviously not pro-animal cruelty* and a six month maximum sentence does seem low, but on the other I'm not massively comfortable with labour politicians pushing for sending more people to prison for longer in general, and although they're framing it here as regarding pets etc. these accounts pushing it are police officers with police animals who've managed to get self-defence against a police animal outlawed, and it seems like prosecuting someone for kicking a dog that's biting them just because it was trained to bite people by a police officer is not good? http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/15/section/1 * apart from eating meat and my ambivalence towards police animals getting hurt by people acting in self defence, obviously e: it should be noted that the finn in question was stabbed with a knife by someone, which is obviously bad and wrong, but the way the law has been amended seems to outlaw anything that might cause suffering to a service animal as long as it's "under control", which seems nebulous enough that it could cover all sorts of things that are more defensible XMNN fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Jun 9, 2020 |
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jaete posted:This relaxation of the lockdown is just loving excellent from this government innit? The buses and trains and the tube are like 50% full of people, likewise all the non-essential retail. This is more than enough to ensure that all of the workers will definitely get the coronavirus, while at the same time being nowhere near enough to make sure companies that need those shoppers can actually remain solvent. I went back to work slightly earlier than other retail workers (builders warehouse is more essential I guess) and other than supplying PPE they're doing uh, basically none of the poo poo they said they would in terms of limiting customers. It feels like there's this pervasive idea of Let's Get Back To Normal, Stop Messing About as if a virus is somehow going to be deterred by a stiff upper lip. I'm scared! It loving sucks!
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What's a Mr Twist? Is it a chocolate bar?
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Although on chemistry to attack stone statues, you might be able to use thermite on the feet to melt through the stone? That would work on brozne at least, and setting a batch of thermite alight on them could be done by a single person overnight.
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Lobster God posted:https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1270415086792966146?s=19 Replace it with one of Ted Johns in his vest and braces, IMO. LBTH have been pretty good about commemorating other figures (naming one of their offices after Jack Dash was a particularly nice move and is still successfully trolling Tories 20 years later) but Ted so far hasn't got any more than a plaque.
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XMNN posted:on the one hand, I'm obviously not pro-animal cruelty* and a six month maximum sentence does seem low, but on the other I'm not massively comfortable with labour politicians pushing for sending more people to prison for longer in general, and although they're framing it here as regarding pets etc. these accounts pushing it are police officers with police animals who've managed to get self-defence against a police animal outlawed, and it seems like prosecuting someone for kicking a dog that's biting them just because it was trained to bite people by a police officer is not good?
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Nothingtoseehere posted:Although on chemistry to attack stone statues, you might be able to use thermite on the feet to melt through the stone? That would work on brozne at least, and setting a batch of thermite alight on them could be done by a single person overnight. That's probably enough to get you done under some anti-terror legislation though right? That is, of you manage not to ignite yourself
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Currently packaging up an inordinate amount of fudge for the various wonderful folk who have ordered. There is a literal wall of fudge forming in my lounge. Bob is supervising and being Suspicious (any unusual activity obviously means we’re going to run off and leave him forever, or alternatively take him to the vet). Digby meanwhile has vanished behind the kitchen units, and we can hear him licking the back of one of the cupboards. That boy’s a bit special sometimes. Have a Suspicious Bob! 
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The Gladstone thing is a bit weird: he tried to stop the Opium War, was the most popular politician of his time with the working class, introduced voting without your boss knowing how you voted and tried to give Ireland home rule but got hosed over by the House of Lords. OTOH his dad was a slaver. So, you know, basically Thatcher. Because if there’s one principle that’s truly socialist it’s that the things we personally do with our lives don’t matter compared with who our dads are.
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Guavanaut posted:That's like claiming that Trump making fun of liberals and socialists making fun of liberals are the same thing, but with nationalism. its questionable whether you can tbh, and yeah i don't think we actually have universal healthcare given the disproportionate impact covid alone has had on poor and minority communities in the uk and the weird way NHS funding is distributed by region. even if we say we do actually have universal healthcare, why on earth would e.g. the city of london let you get rid of their attack dogs at all, ever.
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Failed Imagineer posted:That's probably enough to get you done under some anti-terror legislation though right? That is, of you manage not to ignite yourself if you can be absolutely certain that you can have the military walk around with the stuff to use on nazi guns I'm pretty sure it's not a huge self-ignition risk making a highly reactive chemical agent to destroy a monument probably doesn't even need the newer anti-bus-pass-terrorism laws tho. Now I'm thinking about that lad that got nicked outside Leeds for lefty terrorism the other day, as we discuss this - the only mentioned charges I saw were several counts of looking up timetables of the internet
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quote:As Chancellor, Gladstone made a speech at Newcastle on 7 October 1862 in which he supported the independence of the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War, claiming that Jefferson Davis had "made a nation". He did not consider slavery a problem. When Gladstone was first elected to Parliament his father owned over 2,500 slaves, and the young man helped his father to obtain full payment for them. Great Britain was officially neutral at the time. Gladstone later regretted the Newcastle speech. and then presumably literally inherit the money from those sins
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Beefeater1980 posted:The Gladstone thing is a bit weird: he tried to stop the Opium War, was the most popular politician of his time with the working class, introduced voting without your boss knowing how you voted and tried to give Ireland home rule but got hosed over by the House of Lords. gh0stpinballa posted:its questionable whether you can tbh, and yeah i don't think we actually have universal healthcare given the disproportionate impact covid alone has had on poor and minority communities in the uk and the weird way NHS funding is distributed by region. even if we say we do actually have universal healthcare, why on earth would e.g. the city of london let you get rid of their attack dogs at all, ever.
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Beefeater1980 posted:Evil Dads I worked in Government when they started decommissioning the Brent oil fields, and Hareema had just built the massive boat which could just lift the jacket in one go. They had done the naming ceremony, and we were advised that it was named after the owners father, Pieter Schelte. Noted nazi, and user of Dutch prisoners of war. Much unease, and worrying followed. We then asked our Minister to ask the owner of Hareema to change its name gentleman to gentleman, and it’s now the Pioneering Spirit.
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Beefeater1980 posted:The Gladstone thing is a bit weird: he tried to stop the Opium War, was the most popular politician of his time with the working class, introduced voting without your boss knowing how you voted and tried to give Ireland home rule but got hosed over by the House of Lords. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/historical-journal/article/gladstone-and-slavery/AB74EF5C7EC598FE9A82555B46AEBC54 posted:William Gladstone's views on slavery and the slave trade have received little attention from historians, although he spent much of his early years in parliament dealing with issues related to that subject. His stance on slavery echoed that of his father, who was one of the largest slave owners in the British West Indies, and on whom he was dependent for financial support. Gladstone opposed the slave trade but he wanted to improve the condition of the slaves before they were liberated. In 1833, he accepted emancipation because it was accompanied by a period of apprenticeship for the ex-slaves and by financial compensation for the planters. In the 1840s, his defence of the economic interests of the British planters was again evident in his opposition to the foreign slave trade and slave-grown sugar. By the 1850s, however, he believed that the best way to end the slave trade was by persuasion, rather than by force, and that conviction influenced his attitude to the American Civil War and to British colonial policy. As leader of the Liberal party, Gladstone, unlike many of his supporters, showed no enthusiasm for an anti-slavery crusade in Africa. His passionate commitment to liberty for oppressed peoples was seldom evident in his attitude to slavery.
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