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Angepain posted:oh no she's tweeted again. why. why did she do this. why can it just not ever be jk rowling time again oh it's worse than a tweet, she's written a blog post full of standard terf talking points while pretending she cares about trans people. it's a nice sample text in recognising terf-style dog-whistles and uh, that's about the only worth it has from what i can tell
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Angepain posted:oh it's worse than a tweet, she's written a blog post full of standard terf talking points while pretending she cares about trans people. it's a nice sample text in recognising terf-style dog-whistles and uh, that's about the only worth it has from what i can tell She hits every square of TERF bingo lmao
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Jun 10, 2020 18:21
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Thinks she’s Hermionie, actually Umbridge.
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Jun 10, 2020 18:22
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well at least Cursed Child is no longer the dumbest thing she's ever written
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JK is exhausting. If you're curious read the blog post by all means, but I'd recommend doing something you'll actually enjoy instead. I sure wish I had!
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Red Oktober posted:Thinks she’s Hermionie, actually Umbridge. Brb, performing a memory charm on myself so I can forget reading a Harry Potter Analogy itt
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Is it just me or is her entire argument that a cis-man would rather go to the effort of pretending to be transgender to get into a womens bathroom to attack them, rather than them just barging in and attacking them?
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Angepain posted:oh it's worse than a tweet, she's written a blog post full of standard terf talking points while pretending she cares about trans people. it's a nice sample text in recognising terf-style dog-whistles and uh, that's about the only worth it has from what i can tell I've managed to struggle past quote:‘TERF’ is an acronym coined by trans activists, which stands for Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist. quote:Ironically, radical feminists aren’t even trans-exclusionary – they include trans men in their feminism, because they were born women. And quote:I also fund medical research into MS, a disease that behaves very differently in men and women. And then straight into Littman and Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria. gently caress me. Going to have to read this now. Y'know, for balance.
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No More Toast posted:JK is exhausting. If you're curious read the blog post by all means, but I'd recommend doing something you'll actually enjoy instead. I sure wish I had! if you've read anything any terf has written in the past ten years just mentally assemble whatever remnants remain in your memory in a random order and you'll pretty much have the same thing with less effort. it's not even interesting bigotry
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Oh hey speaking of print media guess who just uploaded a two loving hour episode about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW48CIGuvZE That's right it's your favourite Alice off of trashfuture with donoteat01 and donoteat01's roommate. Also jesus christ rowling needs an editor. Or a character limit. Either one would have the same effect.
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JK Rowling is up there with Elon Musk as living evidence that ludicrous wealth is bad for your mind. They don’t seem happy, do they? All the possibilities of the world laid out before you and you’re spending your time poring over ‘gender critical’ blogs and getting into litigious slapfights on Twitter.
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Can't wait for her to publish Sally Trotter and the Case Of The Bathroom Criminal Mystery or whatever.
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Ratjaculation posted:Is it just me or is her entire argument that a cis-man would rather go to the effort of pretending to be transgender to get into a womens bathroom to attack them, rather than them just barging in and attacking them? No, no, she also gets a whole bunch of other things in there as well - trans men don't exist! Trans kids might transition and then not be trans after all! People call terves terves just because they keep saying terf poo poo! - but that certainly is one of their core claims. A predatory man, you see, would certainly be willing to commit heinous acts against women, but the one rule he would NEVER break is to enter a women's changing room or loo. But the loophole of self-ID fixes that! One weird trick women HATE him!
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Angepain posted:if you've read anything any terf has written in the past ten years just mentally assemble whatever remnants remain in your memory in a random order and you'll pretty much have the same thing with less effort. it's not even interesting bigotry That's evidence that something complicated is happening, and yet she just turns it into another part of that long blast of diarrhea.
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The icon of the person in a skirt is actually an elder sign against anyone with an M on their birth certificate. And I, the bathroom crusader, in my blessed armour made entirely of gendered bathroom signs liberated from the skip outside of premises that have renovated theirs into gender neutral ones, shall stride forth with my sword made of tweets and my gauntlets of sundry publications by gender specialists and I shall separate people into the sheep and the goats, which are the two genders. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Jun 10, 2020 |
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Shogi posted:JK Rowling is up there with Elon Musk as living evidence that ludicrous wealth is bad for your mind. They don’t seem happy, do they? All the possibilities of the world laid out before you and you’re spending your time poring over ‘gender critical’ blogs and getting into litigious slapfights on Twitter. I mean at least Elon's still trying to do something, daft and technocratic as much of it is. He might be a large child who has got the wealth* to actually attempt some of his boyhood nonsense imaginings, but that's still orders of magnitude more productive than whatever the hell Rowling is up to, if nothing else we can learn from the mistakes of Tesla and stuff, we can't loving learn anything from Rowling except "Do not be this person". * All built on like, Apartheid-era emerald mines and stuff but you know
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Guavanaut posted:
Good article, thanks for that.
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Rowling has been too big for an editor for quite a while. The grit and discipline required to complete novels is impressive even if the result doesn’t storm straight into the classical canon, but she has written a detective novel set in 21st century Britain in which a man named Cormoran Strike defends the liberal status quo against Ceremy Jorbyn’s antisemitic lefty thugs and people cannot use the word ‘innit’ correctly. e: def unfair to Musky boy to compare his recent exertion of will on the world to Rowling’s (ignoring the results of their efforts) but both of them seem pretty miserable Shogi fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Jun 10, 2020 |
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Ms Adequate posted:A predatory man, you see, would certainly be willing to commit heinous acts against women, but the one rule he would NEVER break is to enter a women's changing room or loo. But the loophole of self-ID fixes that! One weird trick women HATE him! The best part about these arguments is that it just ignores the possibility of predatory women in those spaces, and that maybe the solution is to ensure they're actually safe for everyone instead of relying on some kind of honour system
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Ms Adequate posted:A predatory man, you see, would certainly be willing to commit heinous acts against women, but the one rule he would NEVER break is to enter a women's changing room or loo. But the loophole of self-ID fixes that! One weird trick women HATE him! It's a completely baffling argument. If a man wants to assault a woman, a bathroom sign won't stop them. Moreover, if a woman assaults another woman in a bathroom, that's still a crime? It doesn't matter if they're both cis or trans. Self-ID doesn't magically make assault okay. I've seen far more cis women hurt by TERF rhetoric than helped by it. (I hope it's clear that trans people are, of course, hurt most of all) It's particularly galling when they claim that trans men are erasing/harming lesbians, when I've seen cis butch lesbians verbally (and almost physically, once) assaulted by someone deciding to play the bathroom police.
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Shogi posted:people cannot use the word ‘innit’ correctly. I was idling wondering whether there is a relationship between 'innit' (the London venacular) and 'isn't it' (Welsh English) - both occurring at the ends of sentences and having a range of meaning, or did they arise separately?
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Lots of first and second generation Asian people (in Leicester at least) use isn't it in the Welsh form, and their children often use innit in that exact same way, so locally I'd say yes, but I can't speak for London.
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I mean, I don't go to public bathrooms a lot, I'm kind of forced to in places like motorway services and train stations, and there's always a sign up saying "this facility may be cleaned by a male operative" and sure enough he's just moseying in and out cleaning things up, nobody giving a poo poo. We trust the cleaner of course. But I mean, nobody screaming "what are you doing in here", it's never a "dignity" argument when it comes to male cleaning staff, it's entirely about trans people because at the end of the day they're suspicious about our motives for being in there in the first place.
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Shogi posted:Rowling has been too big for an editor for quite a while. The grit and discipline required to complete novels is impressive even if the result doesn’t storm straight into the classical canon, but she has written a detective novel set in 21st century Britain in which a man named Cormoran Strike defends the liberal status quo against Ceremy Jorbyn’s antisemitic lefty thugs and people cannot use the word ‘innit’ correctly. Yeah I can't believe I actually sat through that whole (audio)book. The first two were very bland pageturners that you could quite easily stick on in the background. The third went a bit off the rails (IIRC the twist is that the killer is a fraudulent benefit claimant faking an illness or something) and the fourth is 1000 pages or so of pure centrist brainworms. I kind of want to read the upcoming fifth book out of curiosity. 100% the killer will be a trans woman.
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baka kaba posted:The best part about these arguments is that it just ignores the possibility of predatory women in those spaces, and that maybe the solution is to ensure they're actually safe for everyone instead of relying on some kind of honour system True. There seems to be a big assumption that only men are predators. I was seriously accosted by an older (extremely drunk and pushy) woman in women's bogs in the Stick of Rock (now deceased pub in Bethnal Green) when I was a spring chicken. I managed to get out unharmed (but thankfully I am tall and was described back then as 'statuesque'). My companion said I looked quite shaken when I came out and asked me what had happened.
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No More Toast posted:It's a completely baffling argument. If a man wants to assault a woman, a bathroom sign won't stop them. Moreover, if a woman assaults another woman in a bathroom, that's still a crime? It doesn't matter if they're both cis or trans. Self-ID doesn't magically make assault okay. Yep, inevitable consequence of the way they obsess about appearances and genitals and all that is that it hurts anyone who doesn't conform to their ideas of femininity, which in practice means white, pretty, middle-class ideas of femininity.
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No More Toast posted:It's a completely baffling argument. If a man wants to assault a woman, a bathroom sign won't stop them. Moreover, if a woman assaults another woman in a bathroom, that's still a crime? It doesn't matter if they're both cis or trans. Self-ID doesn't magically make assault okay. I've said it before and I'll say it again: trying to ascribe rationality to TERF poo poo is a hiding to nothing. There is no rationality to TERF poo poo, just loud FARTing. (Amusingly on several occasions she quite comfortably uses gender neutral pronouns) (I got about halfway through before I couldn't jam any more irrational nonsense into my eyeholes) (Good lord it's like a firehose of wrong, I know what's wrong with basically all of it but even having the argument in my own head is exhausting) E: also the police are doing a national recruitment campaign. Holy poo poo that timing is. something. Both from the obvious perspective, and from the perspective of 'hmm, maybe they've realised they're going to need to have some riots to look good quelling over the next year or so of horrors'. thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Jun 10, 2020 |
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Shogi posted:Rowling has been too big for an editor for quite a while. The grit and discipline required to complete novels is impressive even if the result doesn’t storm straight into the classical canon, but she has written a detective novel set in 21st century Britain in which a man named Cormoran Strike defends the liberal status quo against Ceremy Jorbyn’s antisemitic lefty thugs and people cannot use the word ‘innit’ correctly. Cormorant Strike: Private Investigator, and Genital Inspector. It's honestly amasing just how much worse her writing has actually gotten - the first few Harry Potter books are pretty okay, but the writing quality itself nosedives as it becomes clear that she's making mega gangbusters for anything with her name attached to it. And everything past the Harry Potter books is barely readable drek, and yeah super obvious the editors are told to just back off, as every line spun from her gilded quill is gold. I mean, there's the fanfiction level Cursed Child play. And then there's the Fantastic Beast movies which are bland as gently caress, aimless as gently caress, and mega clear she had no idea and plan for anything beyond Harry Potter itself. But Warner offered her another money bin, so why not? Does include my favourite "WTF moment" as the protagonists attempt to stop the magical HItler analog, who shows everyone a vision of the future, and says that non-magic people have to be stopped and controlled in camps because they're going to enact the holocaust. Just WTF on so many levels. And yeah her detective books with the horny, one-legged, sex-haver are completely forgettable. stev posted:I kind of want to read the upcoming fifth book out of curiosity. 100% the killer will be a trans woman. Cormorant Strike investigates a string of murders in women's toilets, and uncovers a trans plot to eliminate sex itself. Also Labour party leader Coramy Jerbyn is involved, somehow. Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Jun 10, 2020 |
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Isomermaid posted:I mean, I don't go to public bathrooms a lot, I'm kind of forced to in places like motorway services and train stations, and there's always a sign up saying "this facility may be cleaned by a male operative" and sure enough he's just moseying in and out cleaning things up, nobody giving a poo poo. We trust the cleaner of course. Also if someone's kid is bursting for a wee and the parents' gender's loos are rammed, I've never seen it be a problem for them to go into the other loos. Usually not a problem if one has a huge line and the other is empty for the adults to do so either. It's not commonplace but it's not exactly once in a blue moon.  And how many places even have gender-segregated changing rooms for trying on clothes and shite anyway? They're already private once you draw the curtain lmaoSo it's really one of those things that's a flexible rule anyway not some kind of hard line thing where violation is a shooting offence.
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I'm going to have to put flesh on the bones of the whole "if the UK turns into a total transphobic fashy nightmare, I'm loving off to Berlin" plan, I think, make a checklist. I want to play it off like it's obvious crap that nobody believes and laugh at it but at some point you start to wonder if you're a boiling frog.
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stev posted:Yeah I can't believe I actually sat through that whole (audio)book. The first two were very bland pageturners that you could quite easily stick on in the background. The third went a bit off the rails (IIRC the twist is that the killer is a fraudulent benefit claimant faking an illness or something) and the fourth is 1000 pages or so of pure centrist brainworms. Some of the dialogue is so firmly in the ‘you can write that poo poo George, but you sure as hell can’t say it’ zone that I can’t imagine how they staggered through it in the audiobook reading. And yeah, if the Welsh ‘isn’t it’ is used the same way that a lot of Indian-Brit people up here do, it’s just like ‘innit’. Since it’s quite broad in meaning it’s actually quite a hard bit of slang to place in an unnatural and tin-eared way, but Rowling manages it.
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Isomermaid posted:I'm going to have to put flesh on the bones of the whole "if the UK turns into a total transphobic fashy nightmare, I'm loving off to Berlin" plan, I think, make a checklist. I want to play it off like it's obvious crap that nobody believes and laugh at it but at some point you start to wonder if you're a boiling frog. Yeah I'm starting to have similar worries 
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stev posted:Yeah I can't believe I actually sat through that whole (audio)book. The first two were very bland pageturners that you could quite easily stick on in the background. The third went a bit off the rails (IIRC the twist is that the killer is a fraudulent benefit claimant faking an illness or something) and the fourth is 1000 pages or so of pure centrist brainworms. I haven't read her detective novels, but I got about a third of the way through her first 'grown up' post Potter novel, and it was one of the only books I've ever not finished. It was nasty, bland and insulting, all at the same time. She also has this weird thing where she obviously believes that character dialogue should be somehow phonetically 'realistic', so the words of any character who doesn't speak pure queen's English RP is totally butchered with punctuation to reflect dropped Ts and Gs and other lazy prole dialect. This probably makes no sense if you haven't read it, but hosed if I'm finding an example for you...
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Shogi posted:Some of the dialogue is so firmly in the ‘you can write that poo poo George, but you sure as hell can’t say it’ zone that I can’t imagine how they staggered through it in the audiobook reading. I was mostly distracted by Robert Glenister's awful, offensive accents. And the fact that he can't say Doom Bar like a normal person (he puts the emphasis on Bar).
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Isomermaid posted:I'm going to have to put flesh on the bones of the whole "if the UK turns into a total transphobic fashy nightmare, I'm loving off to Berlin" plan, I think, make a checklist. I want to play it off like it's obvious crap that nobody believes and laugh at it but at some point you start to wonder if you're a boiling frog. Ms Adequate posted:Yeah I'm starting to have similar worries My wife lived out in Berlin for 6 months if you want some recs I'm sure I could ask. I've been halfway tempted for a while but uprooting what little life I've managed to build in the last ten years is really not something I want to be doing right now. I'd say especially to move somewhere I don't speak the language but honestly basically everyone in Berlin speaks english, mostly better than I do.
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lmao this is another member of famous anti-racist society the hogwarts friends of israel, notable alumni riley, weetman, barber https://twitter.com/demarionunn/status/1270750762956722179 ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Jun 10, 2020 |
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Isomermaid posted:I'm going to have to put flesh on the bones of the whole "if the UK turns into a total transphobic fashy nightmare, I'm loving off to Berlin" plan, I think, make a checklist. I want to play it off like it's obvious crap that nobody believes and laugh at it but at some point you start to wonder if you're a boiling frog. TERF stuff is starting to catch on over there since apparently we export it, and the far right are not exactly keeping a low profile in Germany. That said, I also like Berlin.
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stev posted:I was mostly distracted by Robert Glenister's awful, offensive accents. And the fact that he can't say Doom Bar like a normal person (he puts the emphasis on Bar). *In* July, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V14PfDDwxlE
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stev posted:And the fact that he can't say Doom Bar like a normal person (he puts the emphasis on Bar). That's where it should be.  My great great great grandfather drowned on the Doom Bar. This obviously makes me an authority.
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