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Rexxed posted:PFI speed does a lot of dyno tuning. They couldn't dyno this car because it had a bunch of problems. The obvious stuff starts around 1:45. They go over a lot of the issues it has at a nearby shop that's going to work on fixing it. Evidently the owner didn't do this, some other shop did: Came here to post this, love Brent. I'm currently fixing bullshit things on a friend's Vette kart and I sent him this video to make him feel a little better. I find it hard to believe that a shop did that unless every single customer is new and then they died on the way home so they couldn't tell their story. It has to be the owner or a friend that did those things. A shop wouldn't last a week doing work like that with how word gets around instantly these days.
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Reminds me of the quality of work from a place that would tout itself as the top Skyline tuner in the UK. Same place that didn't know now a banjo bolt works.
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I recently drove a friend's fairly new Honda Accord, not sure what year or what exact trim but it seemed to be a higher end model. It had a punchy amount of power, but the torque steer was so bad it completely ruined the driving experience. The car only had 30k miles so I can't imagine its suspension is in need of work. I haven't really driven a FWD car since 2007, when I got rid of my Acura TL, but even the 2019 Accords look like they're only 25HP more than my TL, which wasn't nearly as bad. Is this just a thing now?
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Rexxed posted:PFI speed does a lot of dyno tuning. They couldn't dyno this car because it had a bunch of problems. The obvious stuff starts around 1:45. They go over a lot of the issues it has at a nearby shop that's going to work on fixing it. Evidently the owner didn't do this, some other shop did: i'm so confused by this video...tbh this car seems to be in such bad condition (aside from all the bad mechanical work) that i wonder how likely it's the owner of the car hacking all this poo poo together and him just blaming the poor workmanship on "it was a shop"
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Jun 7, 2020 17:42
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MomJeans420 posted:I recently drove a friend's fairly new Honda Accord, not sure what year or what exact trim but it seemed to be a higher end model. It had a punchy amount of power, but the torque steer was so bad it completely ruined the driving experience. The car only had 30k miles so I can't imagine its suspension is in need of work. I haven't really driven a FWD car since 2007, when I got rid of my Acura TL, but even the 2019 Accords look like they're only 25HP more than my TL, which wasn't nearly as bad. Is this just a thing now? It seems like it is a thing, especially with no LSD. In other news, I have it on good word that HASport is working on a mount kit to put the turbo Type-R / Accord K20C with a Type-R trans into a 1st gen NSX.
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Jun 7, 2020 17:53
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BraveUlysses posted:i'm so confused by this video...tbh this car seems to be in such bad condition (aside from all the bad mechanical work) that i wonder how likely it's the owner of the car hacking all this poo poo together and him just blaming the poor workmanship on "it was a shop" Yeah I can see a "shop" not knowing how to route wires and fuel lines and poo poo like that. Like maybe a group of over anxious kids just out of tech school or something and want to open a speed shop. But to have basically everything that is bolted to the car having a missing bolt or one that is cross threaded or loose, or the wrong size; I feel like anybody that has the confidence to work on a car with tools would at least have 1 thing bolted on tightly and correctly. It almost seems like the thing was in pieces and some shop maybe cobbled it together just to be able to roll it from one place to another in their yard, or out of their shop to a parking lot? Then maybe this guy saw it outside and bought it off them thinking it was basically ready to go?
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Jun 7, 2020 18:16
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MomJeans420 posted:I recently drove a friend's fairly new Honda Accord, not sure what year or what exact trim but it seemed to be a higher end model. It had a punchy amount of power, but the torque steer was so bad it completely ruined the driving experience. The car only had 30k miles so I can't imagine its suspension is in need of work. I haven't really driven a FWD car since 2007, when I got rid of my Acura TL, but even the 2019 Accords look like they're only 25HP more than my TL, which wasn't nearly as bad. Is this just a thing now? if i am not mistaken that generation should have a double wishbone front axis. They can be susceptible to ply steer so maybe it just has a bad set of tires on it (bad is in the rubber lottery was bad, even the most expensive tires can have issues with ply steer depending on who made them that day in the factory) i drove an automatic version of that exact model last month and i did not notice anything odd other than that the gods of cars should smite the designers and the customers of that automatic.
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Jun 7, 2020 19:13
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shy boy from chess club posted:I find it hard to believe that a shop did that unless every single customer is new and then they died on the way home so they couldn't tell their story. Given what's visible in that video we can't rule that out.
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Jun 7, 2020 19:38
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CommieGIR posted:I usually have minimum of two jackstands, and I slip a tire/rim under the chassis at a point where if the car falls it'll hold the car at a point where I can escape if something goes wrong. Sorry to go back a few pages, but how does anyone work under a car without doing this ^^ ?! I always have axle stands (my engineer Dad used to always shout at me "NEVER trust hydraulics!"). Wheels go under the sills as well, so worst case scenario is car falls off stands, lands on wheels. Sills hosed, wheels hosed, I crawl out from underneath and say "ah gently caress, oh well not dead".
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Jun 7, 2020 21:21
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Not that I have any need to get under my car far enough that I'd need to jack it, but my floor jack has a ratcheting pawl that won't let the jack retract more than about an inch before it locks up. You have to pump it up a bit to release the lock lever in order to let it down. It's decent piece of mind when I'm swapping my winter/summer wheels that the car won't collapse onto the brake disk and/or gently caress things up if the jack hydraulics were to fail.
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Jun 7, 2020 22:21
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BlackMK4 posted:It seems like it is a thing, especially with no LSD. Honda/Acura had this cured with the Vigor. Mid-front-engine, front wheel drive: longitudinal engine behind the front axle, trans at the back, LSD sending power to the wheels from there. Having owned one, I can see why no one else uses that particular combo. Nice when it works though.
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Jun 8, 2020 14:51
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madeintaipei posted:Honda/Acura had this cured with the Vigor. Mid-front-engine, front wheel drive: longitudinal engine behind the front axle, trans at the back, LSD sending power to the wheels from there. Having owned one, I can see why no one else uses that particular combo. Nice when it works though. Just make the car RWD at that point
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Jun 8, 2020 15:02
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you still have some packaging advantages without a full length driveshaft and rear diff taking power, but yeah it's a bit of a silly answer. Old front-drive A4s and I believe some versions of the VW Passat worked like this as well. the Vigor was full of silly answers in general.
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Jun 8, 2020 15:11
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I thought Audis had the engine hanging out in front of the axle.
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Q_res posted:I thought Audis had the engine hanging out in front of the axle. True. It's basically the same packaging, but with a less complicated transmission/propshaft/front diff combo. The Vigor, contrary to what someone said above, does not have the engine mounted behind the front axle. The half shafts are almost exactly aligned with the #3 cylinder. Still further back than the Audis but not as far back as longitudinal Saabs.
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So I knew the Vigor (and the Legend of the same era) had a driveshaft that went through the oilpan, lthat's OK, a lot of longitudinal engine cars that also drove the front wheels did this, like the Skyline, and I kind of vaguely knew that the VIgor's I5 was a "slant 5" at a crazy angle, but TIL that when you have both of these things, you have a driveshaft going through both the oil pan and the engine block.  
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Jun 8, 2020 15:37
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Please tell me the diff bolts to the side of the engine there, that's incredible
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:you still have some packaging advantages without a full length driveshaft and rear diff taking power, but yeah it's a bit of a silly answer. Old front-drive A4s and I believe some versions of the VW Passat worked like this as well. Renault did something even sillier with the 21 - the smaller engined versions were a normal transverse layout but for some reason the larger engines were longitudinal.
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maybe a footprint thing making it so they couldn't fit a bigger block transverse? I can kind of rationalize that if it's driven by regulation. Huge pain in the rear end, though. edit: lol i read the wikipedia article nvm
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shy boy from chess club posted:Came here to post this, love Brent. I'm currently fixing bullshit things on a friend's Vette kart and I sent him this video to make him feel a little better. I find it hard to believe that a shop did that unless every single customer is new and then they died on the way home so they couldn't tell their story. It has to be the owner or a friend that did those things. A shop wouldn't last a week doing work like that with how word gets around instantly these days. As a former mobile electronics installer (just audio/alarms, not management systems) that wiring offends me. As a hobby mechanic, *literally everything else* offends me. Jesus Christ, was the builder on meth, or just have severe ADD and just.... forget to finish things, like tightening bolts? loving hell that's a nightmare deathtrap. Just start over. Look at how much of that stuff was suspension steering parts ready to fail and kill you. madeintaipei posted:Honda/Acura had this cured with the Vigor. Mid-front-engine, front wheel drive: longitudinal engine behind the front axle, trans at the back, LSD sending power to the wheels from there. Having owned one, I can see why no one else uses that particular combo. Nice when it works though. Why go to all that effort to buold a RWD drivetrain, then send the power forward to the wrong wheels? So, like, there's two driveshafts passing each other? I had no idea that existed. Sounds like it should have been French. edit: read the Wikipedia article. So, basically, it has the trans in the traditional RWD location, and a transfer case that only goes forward to the diff bolted to the side of the engine. Definitely a whole lotta WTF. Throatwarbler posted:Just make the car RWD at that point Exactly.
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Throatwarbler posted:So I knew the Vigor (and the Legend of the same era) had a driveshaft that went through the oilpan, lthat's OK, a lot of longitudinal engine cars that also drove the front wheels did this, like the Skyline, and I kind of vaguely knew that the VIgor's I5 was a "slant 5" at a crazy angle, but TIL that when you have both of these things, you have a driveshaft going through both the oil pan and the engine block. Japan had a huge bubble and everyone was rich and they spent all that excess cash on cocaine
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So that's why I don't see too many Vigors around anymore, despite plenty of other 90s Japanese cars still on the road.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Japan had a huge bubble and everyone was rich and they spent all that excess cash on cocaine that is like Japanese and German engineers at a cocaine party together not even speaking the same language. Just excitedly showing each other schematics and laughing
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I once heard someone say that about Saab, that it was like they learned about the concept of front wheel drive from a Japanese engineer, when neither of them spoke the others' language and they were both three sheets to the wind.
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Darchangel posted:So, like, there's two driveshafts passing each other? Look up the R35 GT-R drivetrain.
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Guinness posted:So that's why I don't see too many Vigors around anymore, despite plenty of other 90s Japanese cars still on the road. They didn’t really sell. Good cars though - certainly better than the ES300. I had the pleasure of driving a manual one when I was an emissions inspector.
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Guinness posted:So that's why I don't see too many Vigors around anymore, despite plenty of other 90s Japanese cars still on the road. I haven’t seen one in a long time, but I feel like when I did they were all belching blue smoke.
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Previa_fun posted:that is like Japanese and German engineers at a cocaine party together That is a fantastic mental image!
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Only barely connected to the convo but the Vigor was a pretty car IMO, in an imitation BMW sort of way, and had really good side/rear visibility, like driving a fish bowl. My mom owned one about 10-15 years ago and still wishes she could have it back. Just thought I'd share
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Malpenix Blonia posted:Look up the R35 GT-R drivetrain. Lol forgot about that. Driveshaft to transaxle with another driveshaft going back up front to the diff up there.
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Content from my neighbor’s boyfriend again. I was never able to get good pictures of his lovely oversprayed brake caliper paint job, it all got cooked off too fast. The white painted Hankook lettering on the tires faded in a couple days. He pulled up last night towing his Zephyr on a uhaul dolly. The last time I saw this car it had the factory paint job and actually looked decent. Now, the lovely paint is peeling off the wheels, the whole thing is rattlecanned flat black and uhhh  My wife says the whole family has been coming and going just looking at it today. You can kind of see that the right wheels have got piles of rocks and bricks under them. I’m hoping to be home to film it when they really commit to getting it off the dolly.  Bonus: in the second pic you can see the front end of the 525i behind the Bronco. It showed up folded in last week, right after two separate incidents with them almost hitting me in traffic elsewhere in town.
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I've never seen someone completely gently caress up loading a tow dolly like that. I mean, I see where it's possible, just like overshooting drive-on ramps (which I have totally never done), but I've never seen someone do it. I guess they're too stupid to just anchor it at the rear to another vehicle and carefully pull the dolly out from under it, or the car off of the dolly? There don't seem to be a whole lot of brain cells operating over there.
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Darchangel posted:I've never seen someone completely gently caress up loading a tow dolly like that. He’s currently jacking it up a little at a time and adding more rocks under the front wheels. One pile is tipping mightily. 
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HenryJLittlefinger posted:He’s currently jacking it up a little at a time and adding more rocks under the front wheels. One pile is tipping mightily. please tell me once the car is high enough he will just attempt to drive the dolly out forwards really fast before gravity can catch-up like pulling out a jenga block (gravity will beat him once again)
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Blue On Blue posted:please tell me once the car is high enough he will just attempt to drive the dolly out forwards really fast before gravity can catch-up This is 100% what I’ve been hoping he plans on doing. He gave up there and left it that way for the night. By my count, only one tire is in contact with the ground right now.
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Jun 11, 2020 05:44
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Up 2 looking bad
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BraveUlysses posted:Up 2 looking bad not much what's up 2 you
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HenryJLittlefinger posted:A neverending bounty of fuckups No offense, but that guy's the biggest loser in the Great IQ Sweepstakes
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Jun 11, 2020 09:11
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He's probably happier than any of us though. Stupidity ain't all bad.
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xzzy posted:He's probably happier than any of us though. Stupidity ain't all bad. I tell this story regularly. I was a good student in a mediocre school in West Virginia. I rode the bus for about 45 minutes every morning until high school. Most of the other bus-takers were not... let's say "education enthusiasts". I'd spend my three quarters of an hour studying or working about a test or trying to not get punched. They'd basically treat the ride as if it were a pregame for a WVU football final. I asked my mom "How come the folks on the bus are always having a great time, and I'm always worried or studying?" She responded "When you come back to West Virginia in 20 years, you're going to be worried about your next grant funding proposal or how you're going to finance the next piece of equipment for your business or how to hire a new employee, and you'll meet one of those kids from the bus. They'll be happy and oblivious just like they are today, and you know what they say to you?" "You want fries with that?" And she was kind of right. On my last trip to WV, before she moved and I swore to never go back to my hometown, I met a kid that rode the bus with me. He was the assistant manager at the local Food Lion, still happy as hell, had a couple of kids, and a new Mustang. He was helping bag groceries because the store was slow, and we recognized over another. Had a nice chat, too. We all take different paths, and make our own happiness or misery to some extent.
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