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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:JFC dude. If your cultural studies perspective is causing you to ask "is he *really* black?" about the art on Imprison, it is not the right lens to be looking through. This is a game. A GAME. The standard is not "is this conclusively proven to be explicitly bigoted or hateful?" it's "does this ever prevent members of marginalized groups from having fun?" A game is no different than any other work of art. I'm not disagreeing that marginalized people have been excluded/haven't had fun, I'm examining the individual cards and questioning the meaning of those cards; my project is not antithetical to the first statement, and it can help inform it in fact. Asking what signifies race on a card is a valid question. We need clear reasoning because it helps us determine the new social and creative norms for the game and its narrative elements (art, naming, flavour text.) Improving things is great! Let's just do it from an informed, well-thought out position, instead of the scattershot approach WotC is taking. I used tranny for transmission as an example because I am a trans woman who has had tranny shouted at me as a slur. It's a good example, because it shows that a single word, even slangy, can have meanings beyond its use as a slur, that those meanings can be contextual, and that those meanings are not objectively created externally, but do occur in the minds of the audience. Calling a car's transmission a tranny is fine, because it contains no malevolence, bigotry, nor shared background; this same argument applies to Cleanse, where "destroy all black creatures" uses similar language to, but has a separate background from a hypothetical Racial Cleansing card that says "destroy all Black creatures." The tranny example also shows that marginalized people can be incorrect when taking offense at something, and that their responses are not unquestionable. Final determination, as you're arguing, is very tricky; especially without any ability to discuss context, language, or larger cultural meaning and value beforehand. Intersectionality is loving tough, and I'm trying to share my experiences as someone who actually works on these kinds of issues and tries to resolve them with other marginalized people equitably. And yes, a gay man should be realizing that a human being of sticks or asking for a fag is not the same as using it as a slur. I've been called a fag as a slur, and it sucks, but I do have the reasonable capability to understand that not all languages and meanings are about me, and I expect the same from other marginalized people. It is tough. It hurts. It does sometimes mean swallowing feeling bad, and accepting people don't mean what you thought they meant, and sometimes you do have to inform them there is a hidden meaning or background to what they're saying, even if they don't realize it. Doing the work to make things better is never easy, it is a lot, and it is not going to end in any of our lifetimes. That is why it is crucial we do do it right, that way we set good examples for others to learn from.
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Missed the good page but Hail Satan 
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here is your demon Goremand 4BB Uncommon Demon As additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice a creature. Flying Trample ETB each opponent sacrifices a creature 5/5
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Tainen posted:here is your demon this is a sick uncommon
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Tulul posted:Awesome demon post. You have no idea how refreshing it is to read a wall of text that’s actually about Magic cards lol. Keep up the good work! fadam fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Jun 11, 2020 |
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Bust Rodd posted:I just want KingofSprings to know I’ve had them on my ignore list since March, so if they post like this often it’s literal 100% white noise because I can’t see anything they say unless it’s quoted. Just lol at the idea of having to ignore someone on the comedy forums SomethingAwful dot com. If you cant take the posting heat...... (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jun 11, 2020 16:44
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My bad Pioneer Cats deck is back baby, awooo (cat howl)
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I can't decide if permanents requiring an instant payoff to be playable is good or bad. It feels wearying over time, since nothing playable is particularly simple, but it's also p. cool in terms of the knock-on interactions that provide momentum during a game. It's not just the old "play threat, opponent responds with answer" pattern. It's now more akin to "play threat that draws an answer, opponent plays an answer that is also a threat."
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Jun 11, 2020 17:05
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Tainen posted:here is your demon Thought it might be another downshifted rare but nope! Just some more busted rear end power creep
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Jun 11, 2020 17:09
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Is it really power creep if it’s only ever going to be played in limited (where it is pretty spicy, yes).
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the marriage of art, flavor and mechanics on this one is absolutely unparalleled, a masterwork
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The cat is knocking the cup off the table while looking right at you, A+
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Kaheera and this are pretty decent lords. Might be worth trying the Cat Deck
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Squinky v2.0 posted:The cat is knocking the cup off the table while looking right at you, A+ Cats and Dogs - masters of artifact destruction 
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Call me a fuddy-duddy, but seeing regular-rear end cats and dogs as things beside a 1/1 doesn't feel right.
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A+ Flavor.
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This is such a flavor-to-mechanics grand slam that it almost makes me wanna play Arena just to cause mischief with it.
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that's a nice card you have on the battlefield. would be a shame if someone knocked it off the table
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Oooh, I LIKE this.
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Jun 11, 2020 18:09
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maybe i'm missing something but the number of situtations where paying 3 rather than 2 matters more than being able to hit planeswalkers, enchantments and artifacts seems too narrow for this to ever see play over spell pierce in formats where both are legal.
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Jun 11, 2020 18:23
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2 to 3 is a pretty big difference. Consider the difference in power level between Mana Leak and Quench.
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Jun 11, 2020 18:31
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I played flusterstorm maindeck in legacy infect because every other card I cared about countering at the time started in their sideboard.
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Jun 11, 2020 18:38
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Thanks for covering page 666 for me, I missed the entire page.
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I liked miscast at first, but the more I think about it the worse it is. In modern, legacy, and vintage the situation it is better then fluster storm are so narrow.
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Jun 11, 2020 18:48
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is he black?!?!?! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jun 11, 2020 18:57
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Even ignoring Flusterstorm, the deckbuilding situations in which it gets the slot over both Spell Pierce and Dispel are pretty slim. I feel like it's also worse than Mystical Dispute when you really look at it.
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Jun 11, 2020 18:59
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Arivia posted:is he black?!?!?! People outing themselves is the best.
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Arivia posted:is he black?!?!?! Good grief.
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Arivia posted:is he black?!?!?! what the gently caress is this post
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Kild posted:what the gently caress is this post I'm referencing the discussion from a few pages ago about Barrin's skin colour, since he's quoted on that card https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3897251&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=663#post505592511
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Kaheera and this are pretty decent lords. Might be worth trying the Cat Deck There are a lot of cats in standard, including some decent one drops like Garrison Cat and Charmed Stray. You also get Bronzehide Lion, Ajani's Pridemate, and a whole bunch of powerful 3 drops, including Lurrus. Not that many ways to grow pridemate and no undercosted threats/card draw to make it into a zombie tier deck.
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Arivia posted:I'm referencing the discussion from a few pages ago about Barrin's skin colour, since he's quoted on that card https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3897251&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=663#post505592511 Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
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Arivia posted:I'm referencing the discussion from a few pages ago about Barrin's skin colour, since he's quoted on that card https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3897251&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=663#post505592511 So you made that dumbass post as a reference to a dumbass post that says that this guy confuses you for a black guy? 
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Arivia posted:is he black?!?!?! Even I, the resident thread Grandpa thinks this is a dumb post
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Can we just stop letting them post here?
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what a cute fella
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Kild posted:So you made that dumbass post as a reference to a dumbass post that says that this guy confuses you for a black guy? I hadn't actually looked up the card. Figured it would at least be ambiguous and not a weathered man with a tan or olive complexion.
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Reminder that this was because they were trying to argue that Imprison might not actually be depicting a black person, and therefor shouldn't have been removed for being problematic.
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