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Autism Sneaks posted:late but it's because some of the terminally online were trying to bait her over cops tasering/kicking/shooting/gassing pregnant women and she took it by glibly saying "you got me, I also condemn this kind of abortion" hahaha
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gh0stpinballa posted:i like age of Napoleon and i have no idea how he cranks out that much material on top of his other stuff. Atrocious Joe posted:I think the creator and Mike Duncan have similar philosophies when it comes to history. They present a narrative history, but try to include the historical debates and controversies when they are relevant. gradenko_2000 posted:I thought one of the early bonus episodes with Matt Christman where they talk about Marx's 13th Brumaire of Louis Napoleon was really great
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its funny that ppl are comparing Age of Naploeo'sn and Revolutions' perspectives on history, because i agree and its a comparison that makes sense but also https://twitter.com/mikeduncan/status/1269974461924675586 Takanago has issued a correction as of 14:25 on Jun 11, 2020 |
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TheSlutPit posted:If anything the question shouldn’t be “how do we flush out the secret Nazi sympathizers invading the left” and more “how does the left recapture subversive/disruptive language as a means of combating reactionaries.” I would be more credulous of the stupidpol crowd if they were doing the latter, rather than their banal use of slurs in opposition to some perceived radlib puritanism. I'm loathe to sound like the "You SJWs call everyone a Nazi!" Nazis, but it is a really bad idea to discipline your org by calling people Strasserists. Because you can't do that without calling for those people to be purged. We have to be able to call out obnoxious behaviour and purge bad stances without actually purging the people. Why can't someone say "Greg, you're being a douche" instead of referencing a faction that hasn't mattered since 1934? (Since I haven't been on Twitter, it seems like "Strasserite!" has given way to "Nazbol!" which is at least relevant to existing political parties.) I think part of the problem is filtering the discourse through social media, and acting like we're on Twitter even when we're offline. I've been slowly catching up on Matt Christman's vlogs, and coincidentally he got into this in the last one I listened to: Twitter is anti-dialectical, it's designed to turn your spontaneous takes and feelings into an entrepreneurial Brand that's in competition with everyone else. If you think leftism is Highlander and you have to take out other posters to steal their energy, of course you're going to call people Nazis because their hyperspecific left tendency isn't identical to yours. Halloween Jack has issued a correction as of 16:47 on Jun 11, 2020 |
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Halloween Jack posted:I think part of the problem is filtering the discourse through social media, and acting like we're on Twitter even when we're offline. I think that this is the whole of the problem. A vast majority of commentary I've come across related to the current tension/confusion of the left is people becoming stupefied. That podcasting/posting isn't politics, but also the refusal to detach (from social media) or do anything else whatsoever. To exit the scene is to commit to an un-becoming of what little presence someone has in the great blip of social media (if any). A lot of people I think have internalized that the internet makes you stupid. From there I see a trend of people who unconsciously feel they're immune to it and now assume the worst of the person on the other line, or have become contrarian because its fun (fair). I don't think this is a problem with a practical solution. It's just a thing now that makes people very, very annoying, and has nothing to do with politics or ideology. The impulse to ball up an opinion and throw it as hard as you can is easy to do and follow through with  (the real solution is to destroy social media but ha ha, at a minimum posting gets more than enough people a steady paycheck)
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the sixty-eighter ghosts i'm talking about are the inclusion of social profiles and socialism-as-ethics into the socialist mainstream, i.e. the protest against social-democratic bureaucratisation and communist conservativism. the major communist parties at the time were pro-soviet, and a lot of the younger people saw no reason to be loyal to a chauvinistic regime etc.etc. this is where both the more libertarian eurocommunism of cohn-bendit and hardline maoist antirevisionist tendencies came in, and it was a tremendously traumatic conflict for those involved. i don't think they called each others nazis, but the intense suspicion on both sides as well as the rejection of stolid ouvrierist communism stems from the central conflicts of that time at any rate, you know a fascist when you see one, there is no reason to be paranoid about it. they generally aren't particularly subtle
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Nineball posted:I don't think this is a problem with a practical solution. It's just a thing now that makes people very, very annoying, and has nothing to do with politics or ideology. The impulse to ball up an opinion and throw it as hard as you can is easy to do and follow through with Another side effect I see from this is people becoming characters that could not possibly exist online. Namely, people who are snarling crusaders one minute and "literally shaking" at every individual act of injustice the next. Are you fragile or not? It calls to mind Flavia Dzodan, who wrote the "My feminism will be intersectional or it will will be bullshit," who had to write a follow-up explaining that she was not literally having a psychotic break when she wrote the thing. She then mused on how social justice blogging was becoming more and more a style of performance art and it wasn't going anywhere good. Edit: Of course, the main point of controversy surrounding the original essay now is that she never got a cut from the merch people made. Halloween Jack has issued a correction as of 18:18 on Jun 11, 2020 |
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Halloween Jack posted:For example, I think it's obvious that when Nathan J Robinson said that cancel culture isn't real, he was talking specifically about whiny right-wing pundits and celebrities, not people who suffered real consequences from cyberbullying. But if I defeat him on Twitter, I get to be the new editor of Current Affairs and wear his Bond villain hat.  (The whole post seemed sensible and right-thinking; I just chuckled out loud thinking about NJR's Bond-villain hat.  )
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Halloween Jack posted:I think part of the problem is filtering the discourse through social media, and acting like we're on Twitter even when we're offline. I've been slowly catching up on Matt Christman's vlogs, and coincidentally he got into this in the last one I listened to: Twitter is anti-dialectical, it's designed to turn your spontaneous takes and feelings into an entrepreneurial Brand that's in competition with everyone else. If you think leftism is Highlander and you have to take out other posters to steal their energy, of course you're going to call people Nazis because their hyperspecific left tendency isn't identical to yours. I dunno, is that really on social media or on how for some reason we been riding this idea of "personal brand" for so long it just became how we act? It seems lib ideology hollowed out left discourse of any material context. I recall how 10 or more so years ago the idea of a happy worker being more productive started making waves but instead of working conditions or raises we got mindfulness eLearning courses. Honest Thief has issued a correction as of 18:33 on Jun 11, 2020 |
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is "Age of Napoleon" the same as that 55-part series on the French Revolution that ppl were recommending here, or are those two different things, and if so which should I listen to first
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I assume you mean the French Revolution chapter of Mike Duncan's Revolutions. It's excellent. Age of Napoleon is a separate podcast. It simultaneously gives a ton of context to Napoleon's life and exploits, and is much more than a biography of Napoleon, for people who don't particularly care about Napoleon.Honest Thief posted:I dunno, is that really on social media or on how for some reason we been riding this idea of "personal brand" for so long it just became how we act? It seems lib ideology hollowed out left discourse of any material context. I recall how 10 or more so years ago the idea of a happy worker being more productive started making waves but instead of working conditions or raises we got mindfulness eLearning courses. Everyone who's trying to build socialism is doing so under capitalism, and it gives us the incentive, however meager, to compete with each other. A good example, related to the Dzodan blog I mentioned, is the question of "cultural appropriation" in consumer goods. Now, in a communist society the concept of intellectual property is short-sighted and selfish. But we don't live in a communist society yet, and since we're all trying to survive, it is a little galling that e.g. Jean-Paul Gaultier makes millions from ideas he took from lesser-known minority designers in poor marginalized communities. quote:Twitter and FB still suck but they're also tools that can be useful for spreading information.
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Halloween Jack posted:Everyone who's trying to build socialism is doing so under capitalism, and it gives us the incentive, however meager, to compete with each other. A good example, related to the Dzodan blog I mentioned, is the question of "cultural appropriation" in consumer goods. Now, in a communist society the concept of intellectual property is short-sighted and selfish. But we don't live in a communist society yet, and since we're all trying to survive, it is a little galling that e.g. Jean-Paul Gaultier makes millions from ideas he took from lesser-known minority designers in poor marginalized communities. I work for a company that basically sells high end fashion and yeah it's jarring as hell Halloween Jack posted:That's the paradox; Twitter and FB can still be useful for building networks and reaching an audience if you can resist the entrepreneurial incentives. Being off Twitter has been good for my mental but really bad for my ability to get involved in local activism. Trying to do DSA/BLM/SURJ/etc. stuff without Twitter is like using an abacus instead of a calculator.
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A lot of the literal children* planning the protests around the country are doing it on snapchat and instagram. Maybe tiktok too, but I'm not certain of that. Maybe they will escape the Vampire Castle of twitter. *I don't say this to be condescending, I wish I was that cool as a kid.
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Jun 11, 2020 19:35
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bellingcat released an episode about "racism today," and then released another version of it that's two and a half minutes shorter. suspicious! but what's more suspicious is, i'm going to listen to them.
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Honest Thief posted:we could all move to mastodon.. lol Mastodon reproduces the incentivizing elements (likes, retweets, etc.) of Twitter so you can't really expect it not to reproduce some of the attention marketplace effect too. It may not have the marketshare for those incentives to have serious material rewards (e.g. opportunities to be hired or to push something you're selling) but to some extent people will still do the self-branding thing just to build self-esteem. Of course, there's people who do that even on communication platforms that don't have such incentivization, such as these very forums. Maybe it's just a matter of degree.
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Doc Hawkins posted:bellingcat released an episode about "racism today," and then released another version of it that's two and a half minutes shorter. Congrats on getting MKUltraed
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Doc Hawkins posted:bellingcat released an episode about "racism today," and then released another version of it that's two and a half minutes shorter. bellendcat
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kings doing king poo poo https://twitter.com/_michaelbrooks/status/1271231317372481536
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tinstaach posted:kings doing king poo poo At the same time?
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the people demand it https://twitter.com/_michaelbrooks/status/1271232392246820864
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tinstaach posted:kings doing king poo poo michael brooks is a socialist 4 biden grifter, lmao
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Sardonik posted:Some More News News: Katy Stoll says that people shouldn't post the videos of George Floyd being killed by the police. Unbelievably baby brained liberal poo poo. That poo poo needs to be broadcasted directly into people's eyes clockwork orange style. She says it out of concern for the families of the victims, but what the gently caress ever. People need to be Crack Pinged by that video and others like it. My extremely revolutionary friend keem also says not to post it, because the same poo poo has been happening for years and white people didn't care before and won't care now. So posting it is just giving you 'activist cred'. Basically he said don't post that poo poo unless you're getting tear gassed daily
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drat never knew keemstar was legit representing
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Dr. Killjoy posted:drat never knew keemstar was legit representing Yeah he's gotta play it safe online
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Taintrunner posted:michael brooks is a socialist 4 biden grifter, lmao then he's really bad at it; it's never gotten across to me. he plays a lot of clips of Biden falling apart, as i recall.
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Taintrunner posted:michael brooks is a socialist 4 biden grifter, lmao So is Chomsky
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lmfao zegermans got a shoutout in Citations Needed good job, my dude
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i hope it's pronounced zegger-mans
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Taintrunner posted:michael brooks is a socialist 4 biden grifter, lmao everyone i dont like is grifting
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I can't decide if King of Staten Island is going to be the thing the Chapos project everything they hate about themselves onto or the thing they gush over and subsequently lose their credibility
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i hope it's good i like pete 
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lol that the new premium Chapo starts with an ad read. Pretty cuny.
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Trabisnikof posted:lol that the new premium Chapo starts with an ad read. Pretty cuny. For a masters economics program. Can't wait to sign up for that.
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The problem with a master's program where you can just read Marx and ignore hot takes is that you can already do that for free. Or I can, because I am an Omega Brain Ronin.
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gradenko_2000 posted:lmfao zegermans got a shoutout in Citations Needed tyvm
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Trabisnikof posted:lol that the new premium Chapo starts with an ad read. Pretty cuny. Really? they've been so on the 5 USD commitment / pre-capitalist artisan model thing though; they even adjusted the price because of a new tax. Seems dumb.
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idk it also felt like amber doing someone a favor
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thotsky posted:Really? they've been so on the 5 USD commitment / pre-capitalist artisan model thing though; they even adjusted the price because of a new tax. Seems dumb. it's an ad for a marxist economics masters which isn't the same thing as an ad for mediocre mattresses imo
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Arcteryx Anarchist posted:idk it also felt like amber doing someone a favor Like that time Will ended an episode by reading a chapter from a godawful novel
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Gripweed posted:Like that time Will ended an episode by reading a chapter from a godawful novel god i hate that guys commentary, and writing
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